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65% of Turkey-Syria border is left to the terrorists. More to go...
US managed to betray both Turks and Kurds
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-josef-olmert/the-kurds-are-betrayed-ag_b_11929624.html
Asia Ramazan Antar, a fearless 19-year-old Kurdish woman fighter was killed in Syria fighting ISIS. Many brave Kurdish fighters, men and women, are being killed these days in the slaughter fields of Syria and Iraq, being the victims of Assad’s army, the Turkish army, ISIS, Russian airstrikes, but also Western, chiefly American, betrayal. So, why any mention of Asia? What makes her such a special person, whose death is widely reported? Is it because she won the nickname of “the Kurdish Angelina Jolie,” due to her physical resemblance to the Hollywood superstar? Well, what a question... can anyone think of any reason, other than that, for the posthumous fame of the young brave Kurdish youngster? The truth is, that there are many reasons why she and her fellow martyrs deserve much bigger publicity than what they get.
Some demographic and historic context is necessary here; the Kurds are the largest single ethnic group in the Middle East NOT to have their independence. Numbering over 30 million people, carved between the countries of Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria, they have an obvious geopolitical problem. The Kurds say, that they “have no better friend than the mountains,” but this was relevant in the past, when the mountains provided a natural shelter to the persecuted ethnic and religious minorities of the Middle East. Not anymore in the 21st Century, and so during most of the previous century. Their legitimate claim for independent nationhood was already recognized in the 14 points of President Woodrow Wilson, but since then, their political history is one of continuous fighting to realize their rights, coupled with on-going history of being a pawn in a big game of regional and super-powers, a game which leaves them always in the sidelines, bleeding, bitter, but never abandoning their hope to have independence. They were betrayed with the establishment of Iraq in 1920 by Britain as a Sunni-Arab dominated state. They were betrayed in 1946, a year after the Kurdish Republic of Mahabad was established in Iran’s Kurdistan. They were betrayed in 1975, when the Shah of Iran and the CIA assistance to their revolt against Saddam Hussein regime was abruptly terminated when the Shah and Saddam signed the Shat Al Arab Agreement, which was five years later violated by Saddam with his invasion of Iran. They were betrayed again in the early months of 1991, following the end of the Gulf war, when Saddam vented his bloody revenge against them, much the same as he did in March 1988, when 6,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in a gas attack in Halabja. They are being betrayed again these days, when the so-called Turkish anti-ISIS attack in Northern Syria, is aimed, in the first place, against the Kurds in this part of former Syria, due to the Turkish desire to establish Cordon Sanitaire, a security zone to separate between the Kurds of Syria and Turkey. The Turks enjoy American support, and here is where the problem is.
For many months we were bombarded with the almost universally accepted mantra used by Americans of both sides of the political spectrum “help the Kurds, they are our natural allies, they are brave, they have the boots on the ground which we do not want to have in the fight against ISIS.” The last we heard these words was in the Town Hall forum just the other day. So they said. In Arabic it is called Kalam Fadi[empty words], but in the moment of truth, the Kurds were told bluntly by Secretary Kerry to abide by the Turkish demand not to cross the Euphrates. The Kurds do not like it, why will they? They are reacting, but not much is being reported about that. Few days ago Kurdish leaders started a hunger strike in Turkey, their brothers fight in Syria, and the head of the Kurdish region in Iraq, Masud Barazani, considers the option of declaring referendum leading to complete separation from Iraq and independence. All these developments are not necessarily connected, as the Kurds have a long history of internal struggles, but they are clearly indicating, that the Kurdish situation in the Middle East is a ticking bomb waiting to explode.
Here is what can be done to detonate this potential bomb and bring justice to a persecuted nation.
Turkey should stop the attacks on Kurds in Northern Syria, and get into serious talks with the Kurds about improving the situation in South East Turkey. This is as much a Turkish interest, as it is a Kurdish one. ISIS is on its way to a defeat, but a defeat to many millions of freedom-hungry Kurds is another matter altogether.The Kurds of Iraq and Syria should be allowed to hold free, democratic referendums and if the results will be a vote for complete independence, then so be it. Iran should stop its repression of 6 million Kurds, and the Kurdish issue should become part of the agenda in any discussion about violation of human rights in the Islamic Republic. The U.S. should be helpful in attaining all these goals. The Kurds should not be treated only as the brave allies to be thrown to the battle against ISIS, but also as the political allies, whose national demands should be part of any fundamental solution to the problems of Iraq and Syria.
Will all this, or even part of it, happen in the near future? Not really, and if that is the case, even the death of ‘’the Kurdish Angelina Jolie’’ will not lead to any salvation to the real Kurds. They will continue to fight, and continue to be betrayed.
Asia Ramazan Antar, a fearless 19-year-old Kurdish woman fighter was killed in Syria fighting ISIS. Many brave Kurdish fighters, men and women, are being killed these days in the slaughter fields of Syria and Iraq, being the victims of Assad’s army, the Turkish army, ISIS, Russian airstrikes, but also Western, chiefly American, betrayal. So, why any mention of Asia? What makes her such a special person, whose death is widely reported? Is it because she won the nickname of “the Kurdish Angelina Jolie,” due to her physical resemblance to the Hollywood superstar? Well, what a question... can anyone think of any reason, other than that, for the posthumous fame of the young brave Kurdish youngster? The truth is, that there are many reasons why she and her fellow martyrs deserve much bigger publicity than what they get.
Some demographic and historic context is necessary here; the Kurds are the largest single ethnic group in the Middle East NOT to have their independence. Numbering over 30 million people, carved between the countries of Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria, they have an obvious geopolitical problem. The Kurds say, that they “have no better friend than the mountains,” but this was relevant in the past, when the mountains provided a natural shelter to the persecuted ethnic and religious minorities of the Middle East. Not anymore in the 21st Century, and so during most of the previous century. Their legitimate claim for independent nationhood was already recognized in the 14 points of President Woodrow Wilson, but since then, their political history is one of continuous fighting to realize their rights, coupled with on-going history of being a pawn in a big game of regional and super-powers, a game which leaves them always in the sidelines, bleeding, bitter, but never abandoning their hope to have independence. They were betrayed with the establishment of Iraq in 1920 by Britain as a Sunni-Arab dominated state. They were betrayed in 1946, a year after the Kurdish Republic of Mahabad was established in Iran’s Kurdistan. They were betrayed in 1975, when the Shah of Iran and the CIA assistance to their revolt against Saddam Hussein regime was abruptly terminated when the Shah and Saddam signed the Shat Al Arab Agreement, which was five years later violated by Saddam with his invasion of Iran. They were betrayed again in the early months of 1991, following the end of the Gulf war, when Saddam vented his bloody revenge against them, much the same as he did in March 1988, when 6,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in a gas attack in Halabja. They are being betrayed again these days, when the so-called Turkish anti-ISIS attack in Northern Syria, is aimed, in the first place, against the Kurds in this part of former Syria, due to the Turkish desire to establish Cordon Sanitaire, a security zone to separate between the Kurds of Syria and Turkey. The Turks enjoy American support, and here is where the problem is.
For many months we were bombarded with the almost universally accepted mantra used by Americans of both sides of the political spectrum “help the Kurds, they are our natural allies, they are brave, they have the boots on the ground which we do not want to have in the fight against ISIS.” The last we heard these words was in the Town Hall forum just the other day. So they said. In Arabic it is called Kalam Fadi[empty words], but in the moment of truth, the Kurds were told bluntly by Secretary Kerry to abide by the Turkish demand not to cross the Euphrates. The Kurds do not like it, why will they? They are reacting, but not much is being reported about that. Few days ago Kurdish leaders started a hunger strike in Turkey, their brothers fight in Syria, and the head of the Kurdish region in Iraq, Masud Barazani, considers the option of declaring referendum leading to complete separation from Iraq and independence. All these developments are not necessarily connected, as the Kurds have a long history of internal struggles, but they are clearly indicating, that the Kurdish situation in the Middle East is a ticking bomb waiting to explode.
Here is what can be done to detonate this potential bomb and bring justice to a persecuted nation.
Turkey should stop the attacks on Kurds in Northern Syria, and get into serious talks with the Kurds about improving the situation in South East Turkey. This is as much a Turkish interest, as it is a Kurdish one. ISIS is on its way to a defeat, but a defeat to many millions of freedom-hungry Kurds is another matter altogether.The Kurds of Iraq and Syria should be allowed to hold free, democratic referendums and if the results will be a vote for complete independence, then so be it. Iran should stop its repression of 6 million Kurds, and the Kurdish issue should become part of the agenda in any discussion about violation of human rights in the Islamic Republic. The U.S. should be helpful in attaining all these goals. The Kurds should not be treated only as the brave allies to be thrown to the battle against ISIS, but also as the political allies, whose national demands should be part of any fundamental solution to the problems of Iraq and Syria.
Will all this, or even part of it, happen in the near future? Not really, and if that is the case, even the death of ‘’the Kurdish Angelina Jolie’’ will not lead to any salvation to the real Kurds. They will continue to fight, and continue to be betrayed.
SDF is just rebrand of PKK. It is perfectly valid for Turkey to classify SDF as a terrorist organization. The terrorist label on you doesn't fade away when you "rename" yourself and stop attacking Turkey with your newly branded organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2016_Istanbul_bombings
This happened in 11 December 2016 in Istanbul. 38 people died, 155 wounded. They were going home after watching a football match in Stadium. Two suicide bombers targeted the dispersing crowd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2016_Istanbul_bombing
This happened in 6 October 2016 in Istanbul. 10 people injured. A suicide bomber with a motorcycle was going to make a very bloody terror attack. Either the bomb detonated early, or he did a mistake, and the attack didn't go as he planned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Kayseri_bombing
This happened in 6 October 2016 in Kayseri. Coordinated with the attack mentioned above. A suicide bomber targets fresh recruits (soldiers) in their bus, who are going to their assigned squad for their training. Technically they weren't even soldiers, because they weren't even started their training. That they would have been their first training day, if they weren't attacked. Killed 15 "soldiers", injured 55 people including many civilians. The bus that is attacked by the suicide bomber wasn't inside a military zone, it was in a public street, in front of many civilians. I am making these explanations, because some claim "PKK doesn't kill civilians anymore".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2016_Istanbul_bombing
This happened in 7 June 2016 in Istanbul. 12 people were killed, of whom 6 of them were police and 6 were civilian. PKK attacks a police bus in Istanbul, in the morning rush hour, killing people who are trying to go to work. Of course, if you ask them, they were targeting the police in damn Vezneciler district which is crowded with people. I guess the civilians that died were "acceptable casualties", according to their twisted mind.
Let me go sometime back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bombing
This happened in 31 October 2010 in Istanbul. 37 people injured. A suicide bomber tried to make an attack in Taksim Square. A police officer notices something strange about him and shouts at him. He panics and detonates early. Preventing another massacre.
The following one is a little further back. I will put this here because this one had some sentimental value to me. The place that the attack took place was approximately 50 meters away from my home. I was never that close to a terror attack before. Spoilers, it smells burnt human flesh in the air for around a day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Market_massacre
This happened in 13 March 1999 in Istanbul. 13 people were BURNT ALIVE inside a mall with fire that was created by Molotov cocktails. 5 people were injured. All of them were civilians, who happened to be the employees of the mall, or the people who happened to be shopping in the mall.
When you say "of course Turkey says SDF is a terrorist organization" in a tongue in cheek fashion, it literally boils my blood. WTF interest can Turkey have in Afrin? Are there any natural resources that we can tap in? Can't you see what the hell is going on here? We are constantly pulled into a new kind of quagmire by this damn parasites. Jeopardizing out international image, our economic development, our means of living. For what? Do you think in a parallel universe in which there was no PKK, would Turkey enter Afrin? For what reason? That place is a damn mountain, with damn goats and damn villagers. There is nothing else in there, nothing interesting. Except for the damn animals who are killing our people, CIVILIAN PEOPLE, for decades now. You say Turkey's interest, as if we are invading Basra (oil rich), for some made up reasons like weapons of mass destruction.
Turkey is in there for one reason. Clean up PKK. Bring God damn Barzani and he forms a Kurdish canton. It is somewhat acceptable. But what is not acceptable is PKK, or anything that is associated with it, forming some kind of state structure. I'm the most opposing person to Erdogan, AKP or political Islam, or even conservatism in general that you can meet. But if it comes to that, I can personally go there and fight this war. This is much more than Erdogan. But you people don't get the seriousness of this.
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huffington post sdssdfssdsf.
Interestingly, both the SJW's and the Conservatives in the USA managed to like these SDF people. They market themselves very good, and they are very useful idiots.
Does the article says 200 IQ US foreign policy is one of the most important factors that unfolded the events that led to creation of ISIS?
Does the article also say, Turkey lost roughly 32000 civilians (most of them being Kurds who refused to support PKK) and 8000 servicemen since 1983 to this struggle?
"She is a fearless woman". Wow. I bet she is. We have a lot of fearless women in Turkish Armed Forces. But I guess they are not as "charming" as terrorists in the eyes of Huffington Post. The "BLOG"s owners is a Greek American by the way. I have nothing against Greeks, but they are not the most "objective" people to ask Turkey. Enough said.
Does the article says 200 IQ US foreign policy is one of the most important factors that unfolded the events that led to creation of ISIS?
Does the article also say, Turkey lost roughly 32000 civilians (most of them being Kurds who refused to support PKK) and 8000 servicemen since 1983 to this struggle?
"She is a fearless woman". Wow. I bet she is. We have a lot of fearless women in Turkish Armed Forces. But I guess they are not as "charming" as terrorists in the eyes of Huffington Post. The "BLOG"s owners is a Greek American by the way. I have nothing against Greeks, but they are not the most "objective" people to ask Turkey. Enough said.
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it's not really a matter of betrayal.
Simply no one wants a Kurdish state in the Middle East to start with, neither Turkey nor Syria, Irak, Iran and even Russia would tolerate it. it just goes against all of their interests, national security and territorial integrity.
The only country who'd support that would be the US as the Kurds are offering complete and in a way an unconditional allegiance to them.
one more point, the north of Syria is made of Arabs, Turkmen and Kurds with the first two making the majority (around 60% of the population or more in cities like Afrin) and they by no means support a separatist movement let alone a Kurdish one.
Simply no one wants a Kurdish state in the Middle East to start with, neither Turkey nor Syria, Irak, Iran and even Russia would tolerate it. it just goes against all of their interests, national security and territorial integrity.
The only country who'd support that would be the US as the Kurds are offering complete and in a way an unconditional allegiance to them.
one more point, the north of Syria is made of Arabs, Turkmen and Kurds with the first two making the majority (around 60% of the population or more in cities like Afrin) and they by no means support a separatist movement let alone a Kurdish one.
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I know your point. I didn't refute it.
I'm focusing on the US and whether it cares.
FSA and SDF are terrorists to many.
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what a person who indulges in hypocrisy ........You support Pkk-Ypg Terrorists to divide Syria
The US backed Ypg Terrorists invaded 1/3 of Syrian Territory ( oil and gas reserves ) under the mask of fighting ISIS
so smart Americans and Israelis used stupid Kurds ( YPG ) and stupid Arabs ( ISIS ) for American-Israeli zionist plan
but Turkish Army entered Afrin to clean Syrian Territory from the US-Israeli backed YPG and ISIS Terrorists to protect Turkey's and Syria's territorial integrity
The US backed Ypg Terrorists invaded 1/3 of Syrian Territory ( oil and gas reserves ) under the mask of fighting ISIS
so smart Americans and Israelis used stupid Kurds ( YPG ) and stupid Arabs ( ISIS ) for American-Israeli zionist plan
but Turkish Army entered Afrin to clean Syrian Territory from the US-Israeli backed YPG and ISIS Terrorists to protect Turkey's and Syria's territorial integrity
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This guy is still crying for terrorists. 
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It's not about betrayal but Kurdish terrorists are being used like toilet papers
The second these terrorists don't fight isis for the sake of the innocent syrian civilians rather to carve and steal lands for themselves so their war but with ISIS is about who control the lands but western media try to portray them as some kind of heroes and for the facts ISIS doesn't do ethnic cleansing like these PKK terrorists scum
The second these terrorists don't fight isis for the sake of the innocent syrian civilians rather to carve and steal lands for themselves so their war but with ISIS is about who control the lands but western media try to portray them as some kind of heroes and for the facts ISIS doesn't do ethnic cleansing like these PKK terrorists scum
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