US & KSA Together we prevail: Riyadh Summit 2017

[The SC]

I knew you didn't want me to know your sources the moment you said "you have no idea about my sources". And I don't think I asked for them, nor do I want to. Believe me, we deal in rumours and guesswork in the Iranian defence community far more than you.

No, I'm disputing and discussing. I'm saying why something is unlikely. Like Saudi getting the SM-6 as part of an ABM system.

And you should believe that KSA is not preparing for IRAN alone, but for all eventualities, just like Iran does..

 

[AmirPatriot]

And you should believe that KSA is not preparing for IRAN alone, but for all eventualities, just like Iran does..

What other eventualities?

What other opponent does Saudi have in the region?

 

[The SC]

What other eventualities?

What other opponent does Saudi have in the region?

All eventualities mean, any opponent, be it past, present or potential future opponents..

 

[AmirPatriot]

All eventualities mean, any opponent, be it past, present or potential future opponents..

Iraq is ruined, Syria is ruined, Lebanon is ruined, Yemen is ruined. Everyone else is either 1) too small and weak. 2) Iran 3) Israel.

Israel and Saudi are united against Iran so count Israel out too.

But sure, any opponent.

 

[The SC]

Iraq is ruined, Syria is ruined, Lebanon is ruined, Yemen is ruined. Everyone else is either 1) too small and weak. 2) Iran 3) Israel.

Israel and Saudi are united against Iran so count Israel out too.

But sure, any opponent.

Usrael still opposes KSA weapons deals from the US, how can they be united..And they have no diplomatic relations at all..some people even say that Iran is united with Usrael in its policies against the Arabs!

 

[AmirPatriot]

Usrael still opposes KSA weapons deals from the US, how can they be united..

They are using Saudi. They will cooperate against Iran as long as they both oppose Iran in the region. Israel will turn on Saudi as soon as they no longer need them. That's why they want a military advantage.

some people even say that Iran is united in its policies against the Arabs!

Some say Arabs are united against Iranians. They started the Iran-Iraq war, after all.

 

[The SC]

They are using Saudi. They will cooperate against Iran as long as they both oppose Iran in the region. Israel will turn on Saudi as soon as they no longer need them. That's why they want a military advantage.



Some say Arabs are united against Iranians. They started the Iran-Iraq war, after all.

Apparently (if we believe all what is being rumoured) the Usraelis are using both Iran and KSA for their advantage! So both Iran and KSA might be considered stupid!!!

Iraq started that war for some piece of land (as an alibi, but most likely encouraged by the Western powers to contain the Iranian Islamic revolution in the region) it was claiming, not the Arabs.. there are 500 million Arabs if you do not know.. only some nations from the GCC supported Saddam's Iraq, because like I pointed out before, Iran was more powerful than Iraq with 80 million population against 17 million..

 

[Ceylal]

Trump wanted to make the Saudis pay for the US protection, he did it with bravado without the Saudis noticing it Not only he made them pay for their protection, but made them pay for Nov 11, the Israelis F35 and for the $30 B Obama gave them before his departure...Anyway you call it, it was the "Art of the deal "of the century...The Saudis got to breath for another 8 years, Trump reelection assured and Arizona Arab flee market cleaned up...

 

[AmirPatriot]

Apparently (if we believe all what is being rumoured) the Usraelis are using both Iran and KSA for their advantage! So both Iran and KSA might be considered stupid!!!

Well we aren't helping them, we are opposed to them.

Iraq

An Arab country.

only some nations from the GCC supported Saddam's Iraq

Correction: 5 of the 6 members supported Iraq financially, logistically and militarily. As well as numerous other Arab countries.

Iran was more powerful than Iraq with 80 million population against 17 million..

That's debatable seeing as Iranian weapons had at best little parts support compared to Saddam who got... basically anything he asked for.

And Iran's population in 1980 was 38 million.

But suppose your premise is right, if Hitler punched an elephant, would you support Hitler?

 

[The SC]

Well we aren't helping them, we are opposed to them.



An Arab country.



Correction: 5 of the 6 members supported Iraq financially, logistically and militarily. As well as numerous other Arab countries.



That's debatable seeing as Iranian weapons had at best little parts support compared to Saddam who got... basically anything he asked for.

And Iran's population in 1980 was 38 million.

But suppose your premise is right, if Hitler punched an elephant, would you support Hitler?

Why did the war started between Iraq and Iran?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Why did the war started between Iraq and Iran?

Because Saddam saw Iran in a time of weakness (just after revolution) and sought to use it as an opportunity to take the oil rich Khuzestan region and access to the Persian Gulf.

 

[Full Moon]

Why did the war started between Iraq and Iran?

Look up bro something about the 1975 Boarders Agreement between Iraq and Iran. The Agreement was signed between the 2 countries in Algeria which gave Iran some territorial gains over Shatt Al Arab شط العرب. It was Saddam (as a Vice President back then) who signed it with the Shah. The only reason he singed was the Shah's painful extortion which he did by arming the Kurds in the North. It has been said over and over by all Iraqi officials that the arm twisting that caused the Agreement's signing led Saddam to take his revenge by declaring a war on Iran.

 

[Amir Kabir]

because like I pointed out before Iran was more powerful than Iraq with 80 million population against 17 million..

Iran had 35 million people at the time. Plus, it had just gone through a revolution, had just purged almost all of its military officers and generals, and was fighting a quasi-civil war with MKO and Kurdish separatists when Saddam attacked. It was also under a total arms embargo by the west and the Soviets. Iran's largest military weapons supplier (supplies which paled in comparison to the supplies Iraq got) was China, who in fact sold to both sides.

Saddam in comparison was better armed, much better prepared, had the political, financial, and military support of the US, Soviet Union, Europe, and entire Arab World, and most importantly, had chemical weapons, and freely used them with not a single protest from the UN.

If it were any non-Arab country (like Turkey, Pakistan, or hell, even Afghanistan) attacking Iran instead, Iran would have collapsed instantly and lost a vast amount of land.

 

[The SC]

Iran had 35 million people at the time. Plus, it had just gone through a revolution, had just purged almost all of its military officers and generals, and was fighting a quasi-civil war with MKO and Kurdish separatists when Saddam attacked. It was also under a total arms embargo by the west and the Soviets. Iran's largest military weapons supplier (supplies which paled in comparison to the supplies Iraq got) was China, who in fact sold to both sides.

Saddam in comparison was better armed, much better prepared, had the political, financial, and military support of the US, Soviet Union, Europe, and entire Arab World, and most importantly, had chemical weapons, and freely used them with not a single protest from the UN.

If it were any non-Arab country (like Turkey, Pakistan, or hell, even Afghanistan) attacking Iran instead, Iran would have collapsed instantly and lost a vast amount of land.

What about Iran-gate.. doesn't that tell that the West was selling weapons to both also..The fact is that war was stupid IMO,since both powerful Muslim nations were weakened significantly.. and hope that does not repeat itself..

 

[AmirPatriot]

What about Iran-gate.. doesn't that tell that the West was selling weapons to both also..The fact is that war was stupid IMO,since both powerful Muslim nations were weakened significantly.. and hope that does not repeat itself..

Lol, Iran-gate was a measly fraction of all arms sold. Seriously, the total worth was about $35 million and that's being optimistic. Whereas the Iraqis must have bought over $60 billion worth of arms (and that's in 1990 dollars). It isn't even comparable. Iran-gate wasn't the west supporting Iran, it was the west trying to get Iran to do something for it, which was indirectly fund the contras.

Algiers agreement was an international treaty and Saddam violated it because he was hungry for territory. Though of course genocidal Saddam era-officials and their supporters will say Iraq was the victim.