US & KSA Together we prevail: Riyadh Summit 2017

[The SC]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudi-arabia-has-started-an-arms-race.497210/#post-9501943



Brothers you need to check that thread out on the Mullah section where a monologue is expected as usual. Hilarious stuff and a lot of wrong data in regards to KSA's military as well.

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Anyway that gave me an idea. Like on several Arab military forums we should create a similar thread showing the strength and current and expected (near future) arsenal of KSA, the GCC (all the militaries of the GCC act together and if 1 GCC state is attacked all others are obligated to help the attacked party so KSA would never go to war alone) and the entire Arab world. That would be useful for many users here I believe. Mostly non-Arabs but not only of course.

Also future indigenous projects (which are constantly in need of updates given the promising developments across the Arab world) need to be highlighted more than just the "Made in KSA" thread. I really miss the good old times where we had many more active Arab users from numerous Arab countries and a lot of knowledge people and defense "nerds". Anyway we know the reasons why they left so no need to write a novel about that.

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I checked it out but no use to answer it..it states plainly that Iran was making a lot of potent weapons for the last 30 years and then it jumps to Saudi Arabia is starting an arms race.. there is no logic in that, so better ignore it..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I checked it out but no use to answer it..it states plainly that Iran was making a lot of potent weapons for the last 30 years and then it jumps to Saudi Arabia is starting an arms race.. there is no logic in that, so better ignore it..

Hilarious stuff. As if KSA and the GCC (2 trillion dollar economy) which are progressing on all fronts rapidly and which are already one of the most developed (in terms of infrastructure) regions in the world (far exceeding the average Muslim country) would be willing to start a senseless war against a adversary (Mullah's) that is doomed to fail anyhow. Even if such a war erupted, we would win such a war but it would still be a waste of time unless attacked. Obviously hostile meddling in internal Arab matters will be confronted and returned equally from now on and combated (as has been the case) but the line really needs to be crossed for us to put the gloves on.

Anyway that individual does obviously not understand the nature of the deals signed, the unprecedented transfer of technology, the combined GCC security pact, the future joint Arab Military Force, the Islamic Military Alliance etc. and KSA/GCC playing a more offensive policy in the region as seen lately.

Anyway regardless of that such thread (s) would be a excellent thing although very time consuming and something that would be needed to be updated on a frequent basis. Not sure if there are enough of active Arab users to keep track of that like on the numerous Arab military forums out there. Anyway it would be nice with an overview that would be constantly updated.

 

[AmirPatriot]

I checked it out but no use to answer it..it states plainly that Iran was making a lot of potent weapons for the last 30 years and then it jumps to Saudi Arabia is starting an arms race.. there is no logic in that, so better ignore it..

30 years??

30 years ago we were just getting on our feet... only in the past 10 years have things been more promising.

 

[The SC]

Hilarious stuff. As if KSA and the GCC (2 trillion dollar economy) who are progressing on all fields rapidly and who are already one of the most developed (in terms of infrastructure) regions in the world (far exceeding the average Muslim country) would be willing to start a senseless war against an adversary (Mullah's) that is doomed to fail anyhow. Even if we would most likely win such a war it would still be a waste of time unless attacked. Obviously hostile meddling in internal Arab matters will be confronted and returned equally from now on and combated (as has been the case) but the line really needs to be crossed for us to put the gloves on.

Anyway that individual does obviously not understand the nature of the deals signed, the unprecedented transfer of technology, the combined GCC security pact, the future joint Arab Military Force, the Islamic Military Alliance etc. and KSA/GCC playing a more offensive policy in the region as seen lately.

Anyway regardless of that such thread (s) would be a excellent thing although very time consuming and something that would be needed to be updated on a frequent basis. Not sure if there are enough of active Arab users to keep track of that like on the numerous Arab military forums out there. Anyway it would be nice with an overview that would be constantly updated.

It would be nice, still there are many nice threads in the Arab defence section, like Made in the UAE, Made in KSA, the Egyptian armed forces and a few others, but they are not all pinned.. I do not know why!, I do not think there are enough Arabs on PDF, that is too bad..

Anyhow:
We got from Lockheed Martin for sure, the satellites, the ToT of the Black Hawk and the LCS.. The only precious product missing from them.. well one can see it on the first image..

30 years??

30 years ago we were just getting on our feet... only in the past 10 years have things been more promising.

I would rather say the last 20 years, but still, that is a 20 years advantage in ToT, R&D, missile Tech and reverse Engineering.. which is good for Iran who wanted to deter the US and Usrael from attacking it.. but now that KSA and he GCC are arming themselves for the sake of defending their assets, there is a big Woohouhou all over the place.. maybe its the shear amounts of money involved..still Iran even still under most sanction wanted to buy some $60 billion worth of airplanes for its civil aviation.. and I am just talking about the amounts of money, not what for..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It would be nice, still there are many nice threads in the Arab defence section, like Made in the UAE, Made in KSA, the Egyptian armed forces and a few others, but they are not all pinned.. I do not know why!, I do not think there enough Arab s on PDF, that is too bad..

Anyhow:
We got from Lockheed Martin for sure, the satellites, the ToT of the Black Hawk and the LCS.. The only precious product missing from them.. well one can see it on the first image..

Definetely. There is the Saudi Arabian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Algerian military threads as well and minor ones like the Moroccan, Omani, Yemeni, Qatari, Syrian, Lebanese etc. but quite a lot are lacking not to say that such threads are rarely updated. Exactly. Many "made in" or "development and news" threads are not sticky threads and have been forgotten.

Correct. Most Arabs use social media nowadays and the existing Arab forums are many and big. So people have little initiative to join forums like those. Especially the many "nerds" out there.

Anyway threads showing the current and constantly evolving arsenals of KSA, GCC countries and Arab countries in general would be a very exciting project. Especially in connection with the Islamic Military Alliance, the likely future Joint Arab Military Force, the growing indigenous industrialization occurring in many Arab countries and regional events. Someone here should attempt it.

 

[The SC]

Definetely. There is the Saudi Arabian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Algerian military threads as well and minor ones like the Moroccan, Omani, Yemeni, Qatari, Syrian, Lebanese etc. but quite a lot are lacking not to say that such threads are rarely updated. Exactly. Many "made in" or "development and news" threads are not sticky threads and have been forgotten.

Correct. Most Arabs use social media nowadays and the existing Arab forums are many and big. So people have little initiative to join forums like those. Especially the many "nerds" out there.

Anyway threads showing the current and constantly evolving arsenals of KSA, GCC countries and Arab countries in general would be a very exciting project. Especially in connection with the Islamic Military Alliance, the likely future Joint Arab Military Force, the growing indigenous industrialization occurring in many Arab countries and regional events. Someone here should attempt it.

I know it will be nice and very informative, but the mods will merge it with other threads, I try to keep at least the Made in KSA thread updated.. but I agree with you, some formulae should be found for such a thread an it should be attempted..

 

[LeGenD]

So what's US interest in joining up with GCC besides selling them arms? Why is US even there? What does US have to gain getting involved in the middle of GCC-Iran spat? I'm skeptical of the benefits of this summit.

US is at the forefront of 'war against terror' and its support is vital for scores of Islamic states to develop credible counter-terrorism capabilities. Pakistan benefited immensely from American support in building a credible counter-terrorism capability since 9/11.

Another factor is to reduce tensions between NATO and OIC; US-Saudi relations have a soothing effect on otherwise flared sentiments in some Islamic states against the WEST and understandably so. ISIS movement is an unintended byproduct of American-led effort to reshape Iraq since 2003 and at the forefront of global terrorist activity at present.

 

[Zibago]

Trump is such a hypocrite

 

[LeGenD]

A power display of KSA' diplomatic, economic, political and religious influence. Great to see. The crying from the usual circles too is a pleasure to witness.

May this promising visit result in a lot of positives for KSA, the GCC and Arab world.



That's a immense number. This coupled with the very ambitious Saudi Vision 2030 and you have a very potent mixture, hopefully.

Not only jobs in the US but KSA as well.

Absolutely this.

Those circles find themselves RED FACED in the light of this development; they are in utter shock and unable to digest the significance of US-Saudi relations because it stares at the face of their delusions and fantasies. On the other hand, they will be OK with Saudi Arabia becoming subservient to other global players; bunch of hypocrites.

I admit that this development surprised me a bit as well. It is a refreshing break from all the negativity about the US and Saudi Arabia in some media circles and on this forum. Saudi Arabia - under the able leadership of King Salman - is making major strides towards development and industrialization and chose the best in business for that.

It shows that US can be a reliable partner if you are handling your foreign affairs right.

 

[AmirPatriot]

We got from Lockheed Martin for sure, the satellites, the ToT of the Black Hawk

What sorts of satellites, and who will launch them?

AFAIK it was assembly of the Black Hawk, likely from Complete Knock Down kits. CKD kits however don't necessarily mean you have the capability to manufacture the parts and subsystems, but to be able to put them together and establish some sort of assembly line is a good capability to have.

still Iran even still under most sanction wanted to buy some $60 billion worth of airplanes for its civil aviation.. and I am just talking about the amounts of money, not what for..

AFAIK the total of 230 aircraft that 2 Iranian airliners are buying from 3 different manufacturers is worth, at list price, $40 billion, but nobody buys bulk at list price, likely the sum of these 230 aircraft cost more like $15-20 billion.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Absolutely this.

Those circles find themselves RED FACED in the light of this development; they are in utter shock and unable to digest the significance of US-Saudi relations because it stares at the face of their delusions and fantasies. On the other hand, they will be OK with Saudi Arabia becoming subservient to other global players; bunch of hypocrites.

I admit that this development surprised me a bit too. It is a refreshing break from all the negativity about the US and Saudi Arabia in some media circles and on this forum. Saudi Arabia - under the able leadership of King Salman - is making major strides towards development and industrialization and chose the best in business for that.

It shows that US can be a reliable partner if you are handling your foreign affairs right.

Precisely. The US is the best partner that you can have to help implement the Saudi Vision 2030 and having leading US companies and thus by default world leaders in their respective fields on our side and a large amount of ToT and the best weapons that money can buy, is overall a great thing. Especially as tons of historic deals where signed on fields ranging from economy, petrochemical industry, arms industry, health care, education, security, technology transfer and the geopolitical aspect.

All this while at the same time cultivating close and growing ties with countries such as China, South Korea, Japan, UK, France, Ukraine, Indonesia, fellow Arab countries within the GCC and outside of it, Pakistan etc.

Also news like this are what makes those historic deals a completely different beast altogether compared to the usual "we sell you buy".

https://twitter.com/x/status/865928402628476929

https://twitter.com/x/status/866000752623407105

https://twitter.com/x/status/865902169408589824

https://twitter.com/x/status/865906382435954688

Mutual beneficial (hopefully) investments in both countries that will create 1000's of new jobs and hopefully contribute to the overall development in KSA.

US is at the forefront of 'war against terror' and its support is vital for scores of Islamic states to develop credible counter-terrorism capabilities. Pakistan benefited immensely from American support in building a credible counter-terrorism capability since 9/11.

Another factor is to reduce tensions between NATO and OIC; US-Saudi relations have a soothing effect on otherwise flared sentiments in some Islamic states against the WEST and understandably so. ISIS movement is an unintended byproduct of American-led effort to reshape Iraq since 2003 and at the forefront of global terrorist activity at present.

KSA and the US are benefiting from each others partnership and it is not a one-sided relationship. In fact the trade balance is in favor of KSA as things stand. The US has invested 100's of billions into the Saudi Arabian economy since the 1940's and similarly KSA has invested A LOT of money in the US. The US has helped educate 800.000 Saudi Arabian students since the 1960's who later on shaped all of our industries and will continue to do so. Several Saudi Arabian universities (the highest ranked in the Muslim world per most surveys) also have very valuable partnerships with their American counterparts. Then you have the security/terrorism aspect. US companies have played an important role in KSA's amazing rise since the 1940's as well.

All part of a wider plan/vision (Saudi Vision 2030):

KACTS was one of the Saudi Arabian universities that signed 10 agreements with leading US universities and 3 memorandums of understanding with 3 major US companies.

They can be seen below:

Sure, the US is not perfect but neither is KSA. For that matter which country or partnership is that? None. All I can say is that I rather be a partner of the US than Russia. I have seen the state of pro-Russian Arab/Muslim countries (even resource rich ones such as Algeria etc.) and it is not something that pro-US Arab/Muslim countries should envy or aspire to.

With all due respect, everything that the US offers us and the GCC, nobody else can offer even remotely close to. Maybe China in the future.

 

[happycanuck]

It is nice to read the optimism expressed by several forum members but one has to read between the lines in the message delivered by POTUS. I think we will find out more about the future of M.E. after the passing away of King of Saudi Arabia. I have an intuitive vision which tells me the date sometime in 2018 and also see power struggle within the Royal family. I also see the number 33 playing a major role. The number 33 is also related to a member of Royal family and he will cross that mark after the end of August 31, 1985.

I have known from the day one when it was announced that KSA has established a military alliance of Muslim (Majority of them Sunni Nations) to counter terrorism. In his speech POTUS has asked to deal with the terrorist state of Iran on their own and we will stand with you. In other words, he is saying start a war and we will supply you all the latest gadgets to destroy the region and turn it into the stone age. It will be like Iraq, Libya, and Syria all over the Middle East. So good luck to every optimist Arab and their other Islamic nation brothers. Time will tell who is right. I just want to share the last word that the year 2019 will be more challenging for KSA then 2018.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It is nice to read the optimism expressed by several forum members but one has to read between the lines in the message delivered by POTUS. I think we will find out more about the future of M.E. after the passing away of King of Saudi Arabia. I have an intuitive vision which tells me the date sometime in 2018 and also see power struggle within the Royal family. I also see the number 33 playing a major role. The number 33 is also related to a member of Royal family and he will cross that mark after the end of August 31, 1985.

I have known from the day one when it was announced that KSA has established a military alliance of Muslim (Majority of them Sunni Nations) to counter terrorism. In his speech POTUS has asked to deal with the terrorist state of Iran on their own and we will stand with you. In other words, he is saying start a war and we will supply you all the latest gadgets to destroy the region and turn it into the stone age. It will be like Iraq, Libya, and Syria all over the Middle East. So good luck to every optimist Arab and their other Islamic nation brothers. Time will tell who is right. I just want to share the last word that the year 2019 will be more challenging for KSA then 2018.

Another joker that sadly has internet access after relocating to Canada.

 

[Hindustani78]

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[The SC]

What sorts of satellites, and who will launch them?

AFAIK it was assembly of the Black Hawk, likely from Complete Knock Down kits. CKD kits however don't necessarily mean you have the capability to manufacture the parts and subsystems, but to be able to put them together and establish some sort of assembly line is a good capability to have.


AFAIK the total of 230 aircraft that 2 Iranian airliners are buying from 3 different manufacturers is worth, at list price, $40 billion, but nobody buys bulk at list price, likely the sum of these 230 aircraft cost more like $15-20 billion.

Secure communications satellites, most likely will be launched from Europe (Ariane), some parts will be manufactured locally after the first kits arrive, there is ToT in both, but over a certain time period for the helicopters.. but first..the whole assembly line is ToT in itself too..

Iran wanted some Boings eventhough they were very expansive..