US intelligence indicates Turkish F4 downed by AA guns in Syrian airspace

[Worf]

It's funny because the people who seemed so 'anti-american' before is, interesently, backing up their veiws from an american source. This just shows how their mentality work.

 

[Oldman1]

It's funny because the people who seemed so 'anti-american' before is, interesently, backing up their veiws from an american source. This just shows how their mentality work.

We're Americans what do you expect? Enemy one day ally the next. Or opposite if you want.

 

[Luftwaffe]

iran is doing a great job with big propoganda to catch muslim hearts by saying they hate israel for palestine , what did they everdo for them? say there is no holocaust ? oh that helped palestinans , say we will destroy isreal off map , thats helping them alot

You are going off topic stick to the topic I do have all the answers, I don't want you to be running here and there to find a good reply because you won't have one up your sleeves.

 

[Juice]

Most probably shot down by the US with an Iranian weapon as a false flag to make Turkey show it's aggression against Assad and Najjad.

Wow, you guys are delusional. The US shot the jet down, and then used magic genies to make they Syrians claim they did it. Lol, what do you guys smoke down there?

 

[abay]

Turkish Army denies WSJ report on jet downed by Syria

The Turkish General Staff gas denied claims by The Wall Street Journal that a Turkish jet shot down by Syria on June 22 was hit in Syrian air space.

The General Staff published a statement on its website July 1, giving detailed information on the plane's last known coordinates. "The plane was shot 13 miles off the Syrian coast, in international air space. The last coordinates at which the plane resumed controlled flight were 35 48.22 North, 35 33.21 East. From that point on, the plane quickly began to lose speed and altitude, crashing near 35 48.26 North, 35 37.59 East, within Syrian waters."

The statement said the plane was flying solo and unarmed in a mission to test radar systems.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

 

[monitor]

Turkey in Game of Chicken with Syria
Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 9 Issue: 124
June 29, 2012 04:19 PM Age: 2 days
By: Emrullah Uslu

Turkish F-4 Phantom fighter jet (Source: The Guardian)

Turkey-Syria relations have entered a new stage after Syrian forces shot down a Turkish F-4 fighter jet on June 22 in international waters over the Mediterranean Sea. Syria claimed that the Turkish jet violated Syrian airspace, but Turkey protested that its aircraft was in Syrian airspace for only a brief time and left after just two minutes. Thirteen minutes after the Turkish plane exited Syrian airspace, Syria’s air defense forces shot down the jet. Its two pilots are still missing (TRT, June 24). Turkey considered the Syrian aggression to be an attack against Turkey and claimed that Syria has become a security risk for the region. In response to the incident, Ankara requested a meeting of the North Atlantic Alliance’s ambassadors in Brussels after invoking Article 4 of NATO’s founding treaty, which entitles any member state to ask for consultations if it believes its security is threatened. At the consultation meeting, which was held on Tuesday, June 26, NATO members extended their support to Turkey and warned Syria not to ever again engage in such aggression. NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said: “It is another example of the Syrian authorities’ disregard for international norms. NATO allies will remain seized of developments” (hurriyetdailynews.com, June 26).

Turkey has outlined its action plan against Syria. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan stated that Turkey considers Syria a regional security risk and that, in response, Turkey was changing its military rules of engagement. Prime Minister Erdogan declared: “Every military element approaching Turkey from the Syrian border and representing a security risk and danger will be assessed as a military threat and will be treated as a military target” (hurriyet.com.tr, June 26).

Turkish experts believe that Erdogan’s statement suggests Ankara aims to build a de facto free zone inside Syria to protect Syrian oppositionists (Radikal, June 27). However it is unlikely that the Bashar al-Assad regime will allow Turkey to build such zone without military engagement with the Syrian Army.

Syrian President Assad told Iranian state television on Thursday that there is a difference between the policies Ankara endorses and the Turkish people’s view of Syria. Assad criticized Turkey: “What we see now shows the stance of some Turkish officials but not all.” He further said, “The policies of the Turkish officials lead to the killing and bloodshed of the Syrian people.” Assad noted he does not believe the crisis will result in military action in Syria, saying that what took place in Libya was “not a solution to be copied because it took Libya from one situation into a much worse one.” He added, “We all now see how the Libyan people are paying the price” (Today’s Zman, June 29).

Meanwhile Turkish diplomats have been working hard to bring the international community together against Syria. A Turkish diplomat told Jamestown on June 27 that Turkey will respond to Syria on its own timetable. However, Ankara will definitely take some action against Damascus, within the limits of international law. Syrian aggression against Turkey will not be tolerated, the diplomat said.

Iranian diplomats, on the other hand, have urged Ankara and Damascus to show “restraint.” Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi openly asked “both sides to show calm and restraint and hopes that, with tact and tolerance and dialogue, this issue will be evaluated; and through a peaceful resolution, tranquility and stability will be preserved in the region” (ANKA News Agency, June 24). Russia took a similar approach toward Turkey. The office of the Turkish Prime Minister revealed Erdogan had called Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss the incident. According to Erdogan’s office, “Putin expressed his deep sorrow over the incident during the talk.” However, as Hurriyet Daily News pointed out, “Moscow described the attack as ‘unintentional and not provocative,’ obviously challenging Ankara’s technical findings on the incident” (hurriyetdailynews.com, June 28).

Meanwhile, according to Turkish press reports, the Turkish military has been deploying armed units on the Turkish-Syrian border. For instance, in Gaizantep province, Turkey has deployed units armed with Stinger surface-to-air missiles aimed toward Syria (milliyet.com.tr, June 29).

In response, Syria has also been positioning its military units on the Turkish border. According to a general from the Free Syrian Army, Assad deployed 170 tanks close to Turkish territory. It could be a challenge to Turkey as well as a signal of a planned operation inside Syria, the general said (milliyet.com.tr, June 29). As expected, the Syrian regime has been deploying its military on the border to avoid the creation of a free zone inside its territory by outside forces; such a zone would be a safe haven for the Syrian opposition.

As late as today (June 29), Prime Minister Erdogan once more highlighted Ankara’s position on Syria: “When it comes to protecting our border, we will turn into a flood to wash over our enemy” (hurriyet.com.tr, June 29).

Despite Erdogan’s warmongering rhetoric, Turks do not want to engage in a war. According to an opinion poll carried out by ANAR, only five percent of Turks want to initiate a war with any other country, including Israel (Sabah, June 27).

As Turkish expert Sami Kohen argues, Turkey’s strategy is based on a “controlled tension to mount pressure on the Assad regime.” Syria, on the other hand, expects mediators such as Russia and Iran to extend an apology and perhaps even some compensation to Ankara on behalf of Damascus. However, such an offer would not satisfy Turkey (Milliyet, June 29).

Thus, in the coming days, we should expect a game of chicken to play out on the Turkish-Syrian border. Whichever party loses its nerve first will also lose the game.

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Turkey tried an Israel on Syria, I guess.

Massive embarrassment on hand.

 

[TurAr]

Turkish Army denies WSJ report on jet downed by Syria
ANKARA - Hürriyet Daily News


Turkey’s military has denied a Wall Street Journal report that claimed a Turkish jet was shot down in Syrian airspace, arguing instead that the incident occurred over international waters while posting a map to corroborate its position.

“According to the results of an administrative probe and radar tracks, our jet was shot down 13 nautical miles off of Syria, one nautical mile outside Syria’s 12-nautical mile territorial waters, and crashed 16 kilometers (8.5 nautical miles) off the Syrian coastline after losing altitude and speed,” the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) said in a written statement it posted on its website yesterday.

The army said it felt the need to clarify the incident following the WSJ report that said Turkey’s explanations about the incident raised question marks. An anonymous American official has said the incident occurred close to the Syrian coast and that there was no indication that the jet was downed by a laser-guided missile, as would be necessary if it were hit in international airspace.

Despite the army’s claims that the shooting took place outside of Syrian airspace, the military did not challenge claims that it may have been shot down by an anti-aircraft weapon.

The statement repeated that the jet was unarmed and flying solo as it tested Turkey’s radar capabilities – indirectly responding to the WSJ’s report that it was testing Syria’s radar reactions.

Foreign Ministry officials echoed the military’s statement, adding that they were not in a position to make comments about press reports. “We have not been notified by American officials on these points raised by this newspaper,” an official said.

The army also said there had been no progress in locating the plane’s two missing pilots but said the U.S. vessel Nautilus was expected to reach the region late today to locate the wreckage of the Turkish aircraft.

The plane was shot down on June 22, touching off a new row between Damascus and Ankara over the circumstances surrounding the incident.

POLITICS - Turkish Army denies WSJ report on jet downed by Syria

 

[Twain]

Wow, you guys are delusional. The US shot the jet down, and then used magic genies to make they Syrians claim they did it. Lol, what do you guys smoke down there?

Didn't you hear the whole story yet? This is a great conspiracy so that the US can attack Syria and remove Assad. It goes like this.


1. USA shoots down Turkish F4 with Iranian weapons
2. Turkey blames Syria
3. We bribe Assad with CIA money to claim he shot it down
4. Turkey moves their army to the Syrian border
5. CIA takes control of Turkish Army
6. Turkish army invades, Kills Assad and steals the money the USA bribed him with
7. Turkey uses the bribe money to buy more weapons so that they are ready to invade Iran whenever the CIA tells them to

edit: forgot step 8

8. Profit

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

indians are embarrasment from birth , born servant of UK , die servant of UK , and colony sorry

Turkey tried an Israel on Syria, I guess.

Massive embarrassment on hand.

 

[Quasar]

1) Because his regime is a close ally of Syria so they are supporting Syria

2) It is simple, ''selective understanding''

3) I am pretty sure that a person who believed in that video would certinly think that Avangers and Forces of Loki fought in New York...

P.S: Will there be a movie about Loki as a child? He was so cute as a child in comics....

LokiXLeah

Sooo... Darn cute these two. Cuteness overload...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

ISRAEL did it ... I had to be the one who said it

 

[Barrack-Obummer]

An update on the Turkish-Syrian tension


POLITICS - Ankara insists Syria shot jet in int


Turkish officials are angrily rejecting a report in the Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed U.S. defense officials who claim that the Turkish jet plane shot down last week by Syrian forces was in Syrian airspace at the time it was shot down, close to the Syrian border. Turkey's prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused the paper of "cowardice," and demanded to know who the unnamed sources are.

Turkey fires back at WSJ article

Ankara insists Syria shot jet in int’l waters

The Wall Street Journal is engaged in biased journalism and is taking sides ahead of the coming U.S. elections, Turkey’s prime minister has said following the Turkish military’s denial of the report which contradicted Ankara’s version of the events surrounding the June 22 downing of a Turkish jet by Syria.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan rejected WSJ’s recent claims that the plane was shot in Syrian airspace, citing senior U.S. defense officials as a source.



“Who are these sources?” Erdoğan asked during an event in the central Anatolia province of Kayseri, calling on the WSJ to reveal its sources and accusing the paper of “cowardice” by concealing the origin of their stories. “They have published lies before.”

Erdoğan also criticized the local media for accepting the WSJ story as truth and rejecting the reports from Turkish authorities, such as the military and the Foreign Ministry. Erdoğan connected the WSJ’s reports to the coming elections in the United States, saying the stories stemmed from the anti-Barack Obama attitude in the country. Erdoğan also criticized main opposition Republican and People’s Party (CHP) leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu for siding with Syria’s Baath regime and Israel instead of supporting Turkey. “Unfortunately [Klılıçdaroğlu] is not hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder with this country’s values. [He stands] shoulder to shoulder with Israel’s values, and the Baath regime,” said Erdoğan.

An unarmed Turkish military jet was shot down June 22 by Syria. Turkey claims the plane was shot in international airspace with a heat- or laser-guided missile, but Syria rejects the claims, saying the Turkish jet was shot by anti-aircraft gunners as it flew at an altitude of 100 meters within Syrian airspace. Erdoğan’s remarks came after Turkey’s military denied WSJ’s report, expressing that the incident occurred over international waters while showing a map showing the plane’s alleged position.

Turkey scrambles fighters as Syrian helicopters approach border

Four Turkish F-16 warplanes took off on Saturday from Incirlik airbase after Syrian helicopters flew 6.5km closer to the border than is normal. There were three incidents but there had been no violation of Turkish airspace. Relations are extremely tense on the border between Turkey and Syria, after Syria downed a Turkish jet last month.

Turkey scrambles jets amid tensions

Tensions between Turkey and Syria rose yesterday, as Ankara said it scrambled fighter jets after Syrian helicopters flew close to the border, underlining the mistrust between the neighbours after the downing of a Turkish plane last month. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan insisted yesterday that a jet fighter shot down by Syria last month was in international airspace, dismissing a US newspaper report that it was downed inside Syria as untrue. Erdogan waded into the row at a meeting of his AKP party, saying that the Wall Street Journal had “unfortunately published a story which is not true”. The comments follow a report on Saturday in the newspaper citing US intelligence that claimed the plane was “most likely hit by shore-based anti-aircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace”. Turkey has repeatedly said its F-4 Phantom warplane was downed without warning in international airspace on June 22, although it admitted that it had violated Syria’s airspace for a short time and “by mistake”. The Turkish military gave further details in a statement yesterday, saying the plane had been inside Syrian airspace “for about five minutes”. “We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile” as Turkey says, an unnamed senior US defence official was quoted as telling the newspaper. Meanwhile four F-16 warplanes took off on Saturday from Incirlik airbase after Syrian helicopters flew 6.5km closer to the border than is normal, the army said in a statement. Two more F-16 jets scrambled from a base in Batman after one helicopter approached the border in the south of Mardin province. There were three incidents but there had been no violation of Turkish airspace, the army said.

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[regular]

Looks like the Third world war is going to begin in any time soon.....get ready guyz with ure popcorns and big TV screens..........

 

[Mosamania]

Looks like the Third world war is going to begin in any time soon.....get ready guyz with ure popcorns and big TV screens..........

3rd World War means you won't be able to secure either Popcorn or a big TV screen. All you can possibly hope for is find shelter somewhere and pray 24/7 that no bombers fly by.