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EDITORIAL — UPDATED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO
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In Delhi, the India-US Strategic and Commercial Dialogue; in Washington, the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement, one of four so-called foundational pacts the US signs with defence partners.

Taken together, this is yet another step towards a closer US-India strategic, defence and commercial relationship, a process kick-started a decade ago under a Congress-led coalition and now accelerating under a BJP government.

In the US, meanwhile, there is rare bipartisan consensus on deepening ties with India — hence, US Secretary of State John Kerry’s fulsome praise for India and the absence of any substantive comments on India-held Kashmir in New Delhi.

Meanwhile, a trilateral US-India-Afghanistan talks process is also to be restarted. Inside Pakistan, the developments are sure to be keenly followed in security circles, though perhaps India’s internal political opposition to deepening military ties with the US and concerns about unduly antagonising China are likely to be discounted.

Do the Indo-US moves really amount to a challenge for Pakistan’s security situation, however?

While it is to be regretted that not only has the US ignored the violence in IHK and India has aggressively tried to blame Pakistan for allegedly seeking to stoke trouble inside IHK, there is another reality that must be addressed.

On the terrorism front, it is true that Pakistan has suffered violence from the now Afghan-based anti-Pakistan militants and it does appear that India is willing to intrude deeper into Balochistan’s troubles. Yet, it is also true that Pakistan’s fight against militancy has not extended to anti-Afghan and anti-India militant groups operating from its soil.

That duality, whether implicit or officially unacknowledged, is problematic because these groups predate and post a bigger challenge to regional stability than anything the anti-Pakistan militants have been able to threaten.

The immense suffering of Pakistanis is equal to — in some cases even greater than — what neighbouring populations have endured, but the commonality is that all have suffered.

The foremost duty of the Pakistani state is to secure the homeland and the people of this country — but the security threat cannot be fought in isolation.

Consider that the Mumbai trials and Pathankot probe have effectively stalled and while there may be narrow, legalistic explanations for why that is the case, it appears to be a lack of will on the part of the state.

Troubling too is the space being accorded to pro-Kashmir, anti-India militants groups and their leadership here. When in many cases those leaders are either banned or indirectly linked to militancy, why are they being allowed to address public rallies and engage in political discourse?

Pakistani authorities rightly bristle at any attempt to sideline this country internationally. But security is neither one-dimensional nor country-specific. Terrorism is a common threat to the region and little will change if a piecemeal, ad hoc approach continues to prevail.

Published in Dawn September 1st, 2016


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This deal is keeping in mind China's involvement in Indian Ocean and SCS.

Did you really think it takes US and India together to hurt Pakistan ?
 
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This deal is keeping in mind China's involvement in Indian Ocean and SCS.

Did you really think it takes US and India together to hurt Pakistan ?

They are already doing that in Afghanistan where FM Mullah is roaming freely and plotting to kills Pakistanis. That's not a secret.
 
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They are already doing that in Afghanistan where FM Mullah is roaming freely and plotting to kills Pakistanis. That's not a secret.

As long as Quetta Shura is a reality, the Afghan government and NDS will have no other option but to safeguard their own interests in the region. :p:
 
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They are already doing that in Afghanistan where FM Mullah is roaming freely and plotting to kills Pakistanis. That's not a secret.
Before what ever fm mulla was doing in Afghanistan,taliban was being supported by Pakistan and the leades being selected in Pakistan. See there too Pakistan is to be blamed for starting it .
 
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As long as Quetta Shura is a reality, the Afghan government and NDS will have no other option but to safeguard their own interests in the region. :p:
I wish Pakistan gives damn to what any other country say.Take care of its national interest only.Recognise Taliban as Govt in exile,go all out and help restore its Govt,which was de recognised by the traitor mushsharaf under duress of Yankees.
 
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Yet, it is also true that Pakistan’s fight against militancy has not extended to anti-Afghan and anti-India militant groups operating from its soil.

That duality, whether implicit or officially unacknowledged, is problematic because these groups predate and post a bigger challenge to regional stability than anything the anti-Pakistan militants have been able to threaten.


The foremost duty of the Pakistani state is to secure the homeland and the people of this country — but the security threat cannot be fought in isolation.

Consider that the Mumbai trials and Pathankot probe have effectively stalled and while there may be narrow, legalistic explanations for why that is the case, it appears to be a lack of will on the part of the state.


The article should have noted official Indian government level interference & subversion in Pakistan with the same emphasis and I would have said the article is well written. It lacks balance and repeats the cliches on war on terror. Proxies are being used by everyone. Even if Pakistan stops using them, others wont. America is the biggest example of using proxies. Its Congress has officially paid money to 'moderate' terrorists in Syria.

I m not saying its good thing to do. But it is not a bad thing to do to secure your interests when every one else doing the exact same. Isnt India using proxies to destabilize Baluchistan?

When America is so heavily investing in India diplomatically, it gives India even more incentive to aggressively pursue its interests in Afghanistan. So in that case, Pakistan should not give up its allies in Afghanistan. This is exactly what India and America want us to do - we give up on our interests because our interests are construed as supporting terrorism.

The editorial did not mention Pakistan concerns and this leaves a very bad taste.
 
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The article should have noted official Indian government level interference & subversion in Pakistan with the same emphasis and I would have said the article is well written. It lacks balance and repeats the cliches on war on terror. Proxies are being used by everyone. Even if Pakistan stops using them, others wont. America is the biggest example of using proxies. Its Congress has officially paid money to 'moderate' terrorists in Syria.

I m not saying its good thing to do. But it is not a bad thing to do to secure your interests when every one else doing the exact same. Isnt India using proxies to destabilize Baluchistan?

When America is so heavily investing in India diplomatically, it gives India even more incentive to aggressively pursue its interests in Afghanistan. So in that case, Pakistan should not give up its allies in Afghanistan. This is exactly what India and America want us to do - we give up on our interests because our interests are construed as supporting terrorism.

The editorial did not mention Pakistan concerns and this leaves a very bad taste.


Well the Yankees had clearly asked Pakistan back in 2001, " Either you are with us or against us", you could have choose the other side, but it was/is Pakistan who is playing the double game with USA.

Now what else should Pakistan expect from USA after your duplicity in WOT ??
 
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What difference would it make if Pakistan is concerned or not ? She has already pulled every card in the deck. Pak cannot influence other countries against any regional powers own interest .
 
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US-Pakistan relations are strategic in nature while US-India relations are transactional.

US would never support India at the expense of Pakistan.
 
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As long as Quetta Shura is a reality, the Afghan government and NDS will have no other option but to safeguard their own interests in the region. :p:

Quetta Shura? It is a lie and debunked many tines by Pakistanis on this forum.....Lets assume that quetta Shura and terrorists operate from Pakistan and attack Afghanistan/Kabul, Shouldn't be Afghans constructing border fences and check points to stop cross border movement of terrorists?

Its the other way round. It is Pakistan who is fencing the border and going to put 100 check posts and 18 border crossings on that ridiculously long porous border......So, it should tell us from where terrorists are coming and hurting innocents....Terrorists are coming from Afghanistan not from Pakistan...

Afghans resisted and opened fire on our men when we were constructing gate at Torkham border....

Only problem left in Pakistan are undocumented Afghan refugees. They'll be kicked out of the country soon.

18 gates to be installed at Pak-Afghan border to aid border management. People will be allowed to cross the border through these checkpoints only

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1174157...pr/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Don't start dancing nude too early....:p:
 
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Quetta Shura? It is a lie and debunked many tines by Pakistanis on this forum.....Lets assume that quetta Shura and terrorists operate from Pakistan and attack Afghanistan/Kabul, Shouldn't be Afghans constructing border fences and check points to stop cross border movement of terrorists?

Its the other way round. It is Pakistan who is fencing the border and going to put 100 check posts and 18 border crossings on that ridiculously long porous border......So, it should tell us from where terrorists are coming and hurting innocents....Terrorists are coming from Afghanistan not from Pakistan...

Afghans resisted and opened fire on our men when we were constructing gate at Torkham border....

Only problem left in Pakistan are undocumented Afghan refugees. They'll be kicked out of the country soon.

18 gates to be installed at Pak-Afghan border to aid border management. People will be allowed to cross the border through these checkpoints only

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1174157...pr/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Don't start dancing nude too early....:p:


As long as responsible person in your government acknowledge the fact that Quetta shura does exist, your blatant lies doesn't make any difference. :p:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/11242-haqqani-network-quetta-shura-must-for-success-kh-asif

And if you still claim Quetta Shura is a lie, so is the presence of Fazlullah in Afghanistan. He is somewhere in remote parts of Pakistan. You are simply making claims without any proof. LOL :p:
 
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What difference would it make if Pakistan is concerned or not ? She has already pulled every card in the deck. Pak cannot influence other countries against any regional powers own interest .

You are mistaken. Pakistan isn't concerned one bit. China Pak relations are based on mutual interests as Indian US relations. Even if Pakistan had the best of relations with the US it would still have excellent relations with China. Simply because our interests are mutual. If anything, it is India and the US which are always showing concern regarding Pak relations with China. It is not the other way round because we couldn't care less. The US has already damaged the relation with Pak beyond repair. From a discriminatory nuke deal to countless other This is an established fact and we are accustomed to it.

US-Pakistan relations are strategic in nature while US-India relations are transactional.

US would never support India at the expense of Pakistan.

That's partially true because India US relations are also strategic in nature. The whole world knows that the US is obsessively hellbent on diminishing and weakening China. It is also not a secret that the US has aligned itself with India for this purpose. It is also true that the Americans are empowering India economically and militarily to stand up to China. I'm afraid that Pakistan US relations exist only in words.
 
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As long as responsible person in your government acknowledge the fact that Quetta shura does exist, your blatant lies doesn't make any difference. :p:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/11242-haqqani-network-quetta-shura-must-for-success-kh-asif

And if you still claim Quetta Shura is a lie, so is the presence of Fazlullah in Afghanistan. He is somewhere in remote parts of Pakistan. You are simply making claims without any proof. LOL :p:

This article you quoted is of 2015, not current one and no where he says that so called "Quetta shura" resides in Pakistan.

All Afghan refugees along with shura wura, if they really exist, will b kicked out of Pakistan very soon...Last date is of 31st of December...

Unlike Pakistan, Afghanistan can't even govern and establish its writ outside Kabul, why the heck Talibans will hide in Pakistan when half of Afghanistan is already in shatters with no government control...They will hide over there, not in Pakistan.

Just recently, Taliban attacked and captured a town in Afghanistan.

https://www.rt.com/news/357386-taliban-afghanistan-attack-army/
 
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As long as Quetta Shura is a reality, the Afghan government and NDS will have no other option but to safeguard their own interests in the region. :p:

Says the lawyer of Afghanistan. You are so worried about the Quetta shura, but are blind to acknowledge that other countries such as Qatar have even bigger Taliban headquarters than Pakistan. LOL I guess it is Halal for them to host the Taliban.
 
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