US-India Alliance

[Nilgiri]

US just deliver lip service to India, play with India, like playboy treated girlfriends. I am not kidding.

From US point of view, India is too big to feed and there is no guarantee India will be controlled by US. It's unlikely.

From India point of view, China share border with India and Pakistan. If India decide to join in the containment game with US, US will sit and watch, while India will suffer. US is 10000 km away, China is on the next door.

Also India want to keep independent, what India want is the position of China during Cold War. India do not want to be any power's vassal state. China was/is independent state during Cold War and post Cold War.

You will find this thread a good read:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/desp...eed-martin-india-ditches-f-21-for-lca.666760/

 

[tower9]

I agree with all the points but US has not and will never abandoned Pakistan.

I think times have changed. Trump is changing course.

 

[MayaBazar]

I think times have changed. Trump is changing course.

Both Pakistan's military and PM IK are very close to the US.

 

[tower9]

Both Pakistan's military and PM IK are very close to the US.

Trump has largely been dismissive towards Pakistan, sometimes outright hostile. While his administration and the US corporate elite are actively wooing India.

 

[MayaBazar]

Trump has largely been dismissive towards Pakistan, sometimes outright hostile. While his administration and the US corporate elite are actively wooing India.

Not really. Trump has been consistently praising PM IK even on his trip to India.

Trump has largely been dismissive towards Pakistan, sometimes outright hostile. While his administration and the US corporate elite are actively wooing India.

Trump even offered to mediate on Kashmir issue which is what PM IK wanted.

Trump also ensured that Pakistan is not black listed in FATF.

 

[SHAH BAAZ]

It is clear that the US ruling class is planning to make India a major ally. India has many variables that makes it the perfect ally against China. Here they are.

1. It is historically hostile to China and shares a similar interest with the US in containing China.

2. It will soon have the world's biggest population. It is the perfect destination for corporate America to move its supply chains from China, depending on whether India will be able to replicate some of the required infrastructure. They do not have to accomplish what China has but needs to just develop the adequate infrastructure to maintain and sustain these supply chains.

3. India is far behind China technologically and socially. It poses no threat to US primacy. India will also not likely follow China's rapid ascent upwards therefore it poses no threat to the US geopolitically in our lifetime. If India can replace China as the factory of the world, it will likely not move up the value chain to a point where it threatens corporate America's dominance.

4. India's vast population is a great market for corporate America to expand into and to replace China's with when the inevitable Cold War sets in.

5. India has a far more porous, open and corrupt political system which makes it easier for the Anglo Jewish elite to infiltrate and control. It will also be easier to manipulate society and manufacture conflicts in order to maintain enough instability to keep India from rising too much.

6. India's tech world is completely dominated by Silicon Valley. India is fine with this. As long as enough Indian engineers work in Silicon Valley firms and enough CEO positions are filled by those of Indian origin, India is fine with Sillicon Valley maintaining a dominant position in their tech sphere. China was not and it became too much of a rival, that is why China is a dangerous threat. India is willing to be intertwined with Silicon Valley but importantly, the ones in power will still be the Anglo-Jewish elite that run the US, UK and most of the Western world.

Lastly, as for Pakistan, the US, particularly under Trump has signaled complete readiness to abandon this relationship for the sake of cultivating this alliance with India.

Thoughts?

Fake news, Trump has shown consistent Respect for Pakistan and the PM. When Modi was in America he said alot of leaders wanted to meet him but he specially wanted to Meet Imran Khan.

He is a big Winston Churchill fan and if you read Churchill's history, he had much praise for the Muslims of the sub continent.

They know, India wont take on communist China how Pakistan and Muslims took on the Soviet Union.

 

[Whirling_dervesh]

You cannot MAKE another country great. India and USA have been on opposite sides for 50 years out of 70. India has always INSISTED on non-alignment. Today it has good relations with Russia and US. With Venezuela Cuba Chile France Germany UK and US

The only reason people are getting hot under the collar is that the relations between US and India were barely concealed dislike for 50 years and now they are friendlier.
Nothing wrong in that, Indians did not join CENTO or SEATO or NATO or any defence treaty with US.
The country that did was Pakistan and Iran.
India has selective mutually beneficial small time agreements used to acquire US arms .
Nothing more nothing less

US never used Indian soil or will EVER use Indian soil for its wars, unlike Pakistan

India would NEVER EVER let the Americans bomb Indian territory as Pakistan did. It allowed US bases in Pakistan to bomb Pakistan territory and Pakistani people with american weapons in the hands of Americans

If such a thing happened in India then there would be a immediate revolution and whomsoever allowed it to happen would be publicly executed

In Pakistan they hand out medals

Your in for a rude awakening...under Modi this will flip on its head

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Also countries with supposedly similar or even "better" "literacy rates" than India are doing lot worse too in industrial development.

Also their simplistic model does not check sectors where India exports (forget IT and stick to manufacturing) more than China or similarly, and for what reason:

http://www.worldstopexports.com/drugs-medicine-exports-country/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/car-exports-country/

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People with poor analysis on hearsay often overlook India being the 6th largest manufacturer globally due to IT sector stereotype hype

 

[Nilgiri]

People with poor analysis on hearsay often overlook India being the 6th largest manufacturer globally due to IT sector stereotype hype

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Yah but its pretty bad given our population size.

Overall Rank only means so much to me...given differences can be lost among the ranking.

 

[MayaBazar]

US just deliver lip service to India, play with India, like playboy treated girlfriends. I am not kidding.

From US point of view, India is too big to feed and there is no guarantee India will be controlled by US. It's unlikely.

From India point of view, China share border with India and Pakistan. If India decide to join in the containment game with US, US will sit and watch, while India will suffer. US is 10000 km away, China is on the next door.

Also India want to keep independent, what India want is the position of China during Cold War. India do not want to be any power's vassal state. China was/is independent state during Cold War and post Cold War.

For US, India is like a tissue paper.

 

[Indos]

People with poor analysis on hearsay often overlook India being the 6th largest manufacturer globally due to IT sector stereotype hype

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Indonesia is number 11

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.CD?most_recent_value_desc=true

 

[Nilgiri]

@Syama Ayas

Interesting that India and ROK switch places once you factor in inflation and use constant (2010) dollars for MVA:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.KD?locations=IN&most_recent_value_desc=true

i.e India then ranks as 5th.

 

[vi-va]

You will find this thread a good read:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/desp...eed-martin-india-ditches-f-21-for-lca.666760/

Why Pakistan is ok to have nukes? Why western countries, especially US didn't sanction Pakistan like what they did to North Korea and Iran?
This is obvious. India is too big to be a vassal state. From other major power point of view, if India can't be controlled like East European countries, or Latin American countries. Then there are 2 options left:

1. Divide India and rule, if it didn't work. Then go option 2.
2. Create counter balance power, which is Pakistan.

Same thing applies to China.

1. Divide China and rule, if it didn't work. Then go option 2.
2. Create counter balance power, which need a a lot of smaller nations, because China is too damn big to contain.

There is no mercy in international arena. It's all about interest.

Only fools will believe western power will help India to reach the height of China.

One China is headache of US. If India grow as big as China, it will be nightmare of western power, especially US.

 

[tower9]

Why Pakistan is ok to have nukes? Why western countries, especially US didn't sanction Pakistan like what they did to North Korea and Iran?
This is obvious. India is too big to be a vassal state. From other major power point of view, if India can't be controlled like East European countries, or Latin American countries. Then there are 2 options left:

1. Divide India and rule, if it didn't work. Then go option 2.
2. Create counter balance power, which is Pakistan.

Same thing applies to China.

1. Divide China and rule, if it didn't work. Then go option 2.
2. Create counter balance power, which need a a lot of smaller nations, because China is too damn big to contain.

There is no mercy in international arena. It's all about interest.

Only fools will believe western power will help India to reach the height of China.

One China is headache of US. If India grow as big as China, it will be nightmare of western power, especially US.

This is precisely why India is being touted right now by corporate America as a replacement for China. Because they feel confident India can't develop like China has. Also, India's political system is more porous and thus easier to manipulate. It would be easier to create chaos and conflict in Indian society in order to control their progress. India can be developed enough to be a reliable and cheap manufacturing hub as well as a compliant market of 1.4 billion people for Western goods, this is what corporate America had wanted China to be until it got too big.

 

[kankan326]

Both have 1.4 billion population. But completely different 1.4 billion. What makes situation worse is, small part of India population are just as smart as other countries' elites(Those people are the ones you saw in Silicon Valley). Which means majority of Indians are even dumber.
If China has 1 billion workable population, India has 0.1-0.2 billion workable population. India is not a big country in this respect.