US helped ISI create extremists: Petraeus

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Of course it does. Making clear distinctions of culpability when there are multiple partners involved in a venture helps us solve problems. Let me guess, you are still in skule and have no experience at projects collaborations?

That is, if you are ABLE to make clear distinctions.
We have been trying to do so for a while now, and we are yet to arrive at a mutually (Between Pak and US) acceptable conclusion.

Besides, I'm done with "School". That's where I learnt to spell it.

And what do you think our presence in Afghanistan equals to?

We are all trying to figure that out sir.

 

[gambit]

That is, if you are ABLE to make clear distinctions.
We have been trying to do so for a while now, and we are yet to arrive at a mutually (Between Pak and US) acceptable conclusion.

Then let me help...The US provided the weapons. Pakistan provided the corporate training. The rest of the ME provided the manpower.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

and what happened after that was left to the ISI's hands.

America didnt pulled out completely after the soviets left , It maintained some of the intell presence even after the soviets left afghanistan . Though the activity was significantly reduced but it did existed . Everybody knew what was happening in afghanistan, No body turned a blind eye. The Saudis Funded it and the ISI consolidated Taliban making sure theres no Indian influence left in afghanistan .

Unocal was one of the key players in the CentGas consortium, an attempt to build the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline to run from the Caspian area, through Afghanistan and probably Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. One of the consultants to Unocal at that time was Zalmay Khalilzad, former US ambassador to Afghanistan then to Iraq and currently to the UN.

In the 1980s CIA chief Bill Casey had revived the agency's practise of gaining intelligence from traveling businessmen. Marty Miller, one of Unocal's top executives, conducted negotiations in several Central Asian countries from 1995, and voluntarily provided information gained on these trips to the CIA's Houston station.[6]

In 1996 Unocal opened an office in Kandahar, Afghanistan, while the Taliban were in the process of taking control of the country.

Unocal rented a house in central Kandahar directly across the street from one of [Osama] bin Laden's new compounds. They did not choose this location deliberately. Most of the decent houses in town straddled the Herat Bazaar Road. Also near was the Pakistani consulate, which housed officers from [the Pakistani military Inter-Services Intelligence, the] ISI.[7]

In 1997,

Robert Oakley [ex-US ambassador to Pakistan, now Unocal's ad hoc advisory board] advised Miller to reach the Taliban by working through Pakistan's government [then led by Benazir Bhutto]. He also suggested that Unocal hire Thomas Gouttiere, an Afghan specialist at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, to develop a job training program in Kandahar that would teach Pashtuns the technical skills needed to build a pipeline. ... Unocal agreed to pay $900,000 via the University of Nebraska to set up a Unocal training facility on a fifty-six acre site in Kandahar, not far from bin Laden's compounds. ... Gouttiere traveled in and out of Afghanistan and met with Taliban leaders. ... In December 1997 Gouttiere worked with Miller to arrange for another Taliban delegation to visit the United States. ...[8]

Unocal seems to have had a deeper role. Intelligence "whistleblower" Julie Sirrs claimed that anti-Taliban leader Ahmad Shah Massoud told her he had "proof that Unocal had provided money that helped the Taliban take Kabul [in 1996]".[9] And French journalist Richard Labeviere said, referring to the later 1990s, "The CIA and Unocal's security forces ... provided military weapons and instructors to several Taleban militia

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But unfortunately ppl will still argue that when America left Pakistan along with Taliban after the soviet departure It had nothing to do or was not directly or indirectly party to any development in the reagion . And it was all ISI ..!

Pls do care to see it ..!

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=julie_sirrs

 

[masijames]

Of course it does. Making clear distinctions of culpability when there are multiple partners involved in a venture helps us solve problems. Let me guess, you are still in skule and have no experience at projects collaborations?


And what do you think our presence in Afghanistan equals to?

your presence in afghanistan equals to 0 dollars man

43 nations killed probably 1000 talliban pakistan killed more then 5000 tallibans and we have lost more soldiers then any country in the world

 

[Desert Fox]

But unfortunately ppl will still argue that when America left Pakistan along with Taliban after the soviet departure It had nothing to do or was not directly or indirectly party to any development in the reagion . And it was all ISI ..!

Pls do care to see it ..!

lol, don't expect them to believe you, they consider themselves angels who never did anything wrong!

 

[gambit]

your presence in afghanistan equals to 0 dollars man

And your opinion here equal to the same.

43 nations killed probably 1000 talliban pakistan killed more then 5000 tallibans and we have lost more soldiers then any country in the world

Killed or routed from power achieve the same objective. But do provide sources next time.

 

[FreekiN]

Then let me help...The US provided the weapons. Pakistan provided the corporate training. The rest of the ME provided the manpower.

I like the way you described that. Simple and neat.

 

[masijames]

And your opinion here equal to the same.


Killed or routed from power achieve the same objective. But do provide sources next time.

ok even if they are routed to afghanistan 43 nations forces should be able to kill them insted of saying ok we sit on our bums and you do more

nato forces are in afghanistan since 2001 and there position defeating talliban standing at 0 when pakistan started there operations since 2008 and they have done something swat operation even your government recognized that i dont think you need sources for that

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Creation of AM and supplying them with weapons back in 80s was a US masterstroke it helped them get rid of present and imminent danger (the Soviet Union) it ensured that US will be sole superpower in this world for next half a century.

But it was that what Americans did after Soviets left, that soured their milk.
Had they kept the money flowing and helped in redevelopment and reconstruction of war torn afghanistan , it would pretty much subdued extremist fundamentalism and earned them some much needed goodwill.

Abandoning Afghans in their hour of need was myopic on part of American policy makers.
Had they lingered and ensured it was some moderate faction and not gun a wielding Taliban replace the Soviet puppet govt led by Najibullah they would not be in the place they are now.

 

[Valiant_Soul]

I can understand you being and Indian will always give a clean chit to US.

But nobody intended that anyway so dont blame one party biasedly

Unlike you, I am not bounded by any attachments that can pull me away from truth, that which I always favor.

Clean-chit to US? Yes, with what I said. The US gives extreme priority to be the most powerful and influential nation, and for that it has often crossed lines. But that does not means that it intended to create mass-murdering fanatics, which it however unwittingly did.

The ISI and PA, however, did see the advantage of using elements from these creations and their network against India.