US has no evidence China sold weapons to Gadhafi’s forces

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US has no evidence China sold weapons to Gadhafi’s forces
Amb. Rice: US has no evidence China sold weapons to Gadhafi

The U.S. has yet to uncover any evidence showing China sold arms to embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi or his loyalist forces, a senior Obama administration official said Monday.

When pressed by administration officials, Chinese leaders confirmed talks did occur, Susan Rice, Washington's ambassador to the United Nations, told reporters.

But the Chinese remain insistent that no weapons or funds changed hands, Rice said during a breakfast meeting sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

"We've seen nothing to contradict" those claims, Rice said.

Selling arms to Gadhafi and his loyalists would violate measures passed by the United Nations.

But Rice said she sees "no pattern of Chinese violations" of arms sales measures.

The Chinese officials told their U.S. counterparts they plan to "strengthen internal controls" to ensure such meetings do not again take place, Rice said.

Meantime, she reiterated the administration's opposition to a bid by the Palestinians to garner statehood in the U.N.'s eyes.


The Palestinians are pushing for a Security Council vote soon that would give that entity's recognition of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

The Obama administration opposes the move, with Rice saying repeatedly during the breakfast that it sees negotiations as the lone path to the creation of a Palestinian state.

"There is no shortcut," Rice said, noting passage of "pieces of paper" at the U.N. would not create a Palestinian nation "in practice or in theory."

"What will happen the day after?" she asked rhetorically. "What will change for the Palestinian people? The answer is nothing."

Seeking a U.N. statehood resolution before "fundamental issues" between the Palestinians and Israelis are ironed out would be "backwards" and have "very real world consequences," Rice said.

U.S. officials are pressing a number of nations about those potential consequences if they support the proposed Palestinian resolution, she said.

Rice also pushed back on congressional Republicans' attempts to alter Washington's funding for the international body.

The ambassador contended past threats by Washington to limit its U.N. funds as a way to influence outcomes ultimately failed in the 1980s, and hindered its influence with other member nations for some time.

As usual , Uncle SAM is trying to come up with dumb excuses to destroy countries that poses a "threat" to USA !

 

[Respect4Respect01]

usa is actually threat to whole world.

 

[CardSharp]

Obviously not. Despite the spin put on it, what seems to have actually happened was Gaddafi sent a delegation begging to Chinese arms companies when he was in desperate straits without the government's knowledge. No evidence of actual transfers of arms has emerged and China has promised to keep a tighter leash on its arms firms.

Besides it would not make sense for China to break a UN sanction that it voted for, and risk ruining relations with the NTC.

 

[CardSharp]

What is more interesting is how this piece of news is getting more play than the fact that the CIA and MI6 was buddy buddy with Gaddafi's security apparatus and how them helped Gaddafi put down dissents.

I mean this we have living proof of in the form of this man.

Abdelhakim Belhadj - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tracked by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), after a tip-off from MI6 gained from London-based informants,[6] Belhadj was arrested with his pregnant wife in 2004 at Kuala Lumpur International Airport, Malaysia.[5] Transferred on the same plane to Bangkok, he was then placed in the custody of the CIA, where he was retained at a secret prison at the airport.[5][3] Returned to Libya, he was held and tortured in Abu Salim prison for seven years.

He's not the military commander of Tripoli and endorsed by the NTC. I don't know though I'd personal would still hold against the CIA and MI6 if they captured and handed over to Gaddafi my pregnant wife and I.

 

[CardSharp]

A Reuters video on the close relationship between Gaddafi and the CIA
CIA's close links with Gaddafi revealed | Video | Reuters.com

Paraphrasing from the video, "the CIA used to thank Gaddafi's men for sending baskets of Oranges and dates, along with the information obtained from torture"

lol....

 

[pmukherjee]

US has no evidence China sold weapons to Gadhafi’s forces
Amb. Rice: US has no evidence China sold weapons to Gadhafi

The U.S. has yet to uncover any evidence showing China sold arms to embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi or his loyalist forces, a senior Obama administration official said Monday.

When pressed by administration officials, Chinese leaders confirmed talks did occur, Susan Rice, Washington's ambassador to the United Nations, told reporters.

But the Chinese remain insistent that no weapons or funds changed hands, Rice said during a breakfast meeting sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

"We've seen nothing to contradict" those claims, Rice said.

Selling arms to Gadhafi and his loyalists would violate measures passed by the United Nations.

But Rice said she sees "no pattern of Chinese violations" of arms sales measures.

The Chinese officials told their U.S. counterparts they plan to "strengthen internal controls" to ensure such meetings do not again take place, Rice said.

Meantime, she reiterated the administration's opposition to a bid by the Palestinians to garner statehood in the U.N.'s eyes.


The Palestinians are pushing for a Security Council vote soon that would give that entity's recognition of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

The Obama administration opposes the move, with Rice saying repeatedly during the breakfast that it sees negotiations as the lone path to the creation of a Palestinian state.

"There is no shortcut," Rice said, noting passage of "pieces of paper" at the U.N. would not create a Palestinian nation "in practice or in theory."

"What will happen the day after?" she asked rhetorically. "What will change for the Palestinian people? The answer is nothing."

Seeking a U.N. statehood resolution before "fundamental issues" between the Palestinians and Israelis are ironed out would be "backwards" and have "very real world consequences," Rice said.

U.S. officials are pressing a number of nations about those potential consequences if they support the proposed Palestinian resolution, she said.

Rice also pushed back on congressional Republicans' attempts to alter Washington's funding for the international body.

The ambassador contended past threats by Washington to limit its U.N. funds as a way to influence outcomes ultimately failed in the 1980s, and hindered its influence with other member nations for some time.

I am interested to know about the highlighted part. What are the Palestinians striving for? Is it ONE State on the soil of the whole of historic Palestine? Or TWO states, one of them being Israel? I had read an international poll somewhere which said that 65% Palestinians supported the ONE state formulation, whereas, this article seems to talk of the TWO state option. Which is the option being tabled in the UN? Does anyone know?

 

[CardSharp]

I am interested to know about the highlighted part. What are the Palestinians striving for? Is it ONE State on the soil of the whole of historic Palestine? Or TWO states, one of them being Israel? I had read an international poll somewhere which said that 65% Palestinians supported the ONE state formulation, whereas, this article seems to talk of the TWO state option. Which is the option being tabled in the UN? Does anyone know?

The world consensus has been the two state solution.

That said, the history of the Israeli-Palestinian settlement process is more complicated than a normal person would have time for. That is partially the reason why there are over-zealous reductionist narratives from both sides. The Israeli side of course is better published and better embellished because of their sympathizers within US conservative academia and US media.

 

[jdme]

Amusing. If US had said, see this is the evidence, all denizens of PDF would have lost it accusing US of all things...Now US says no evidence and they all believe it! Now where is my cake?

 

[pmukherjee]

The world consensus has been the two state solution.

That said, the history of the Israeli-Palestinian settlement process is more complicated than a normal person would have time for. That is partially the reason why there are over-zealous reductionist narratives from both sides. The Israeli side of course is better published and better embellished because of their sympathizers within US conservative academia and US media.

That being the case, how does anyone oppose the Two State solution? A statehood for Palestine based on Gaza and West Bank without a transfer of populations seems the only solution. Anyway let us see what happens.

 

[Anonymous user]

Amusing. If US had said, see this is the evidence, all denizens of PDF would have lost it accusing US of all things...Now US says no evidence and they all believe it! Now where is my cake?

Not all thinks like that, in this matter I don't really give a damn what the US finds considering before the airstrikes started her close allies were major weapons suppliers to Gadhafi. Its all a big game of BS to see who controls the oil and how to suck up to them.

 

[CardSharp]

That being the case, how does anyone oppose the Two State solution? A statehood for Palestine based on Gaza and West Bank without a transfer of populations seems the only solution. Anyway let us see what happens.

Again speaking with my personal views, I think the Palestinians are running out of time. What we are seeing now with the "settler" program is pretty the definition of cantonization and slow annexation.

The vast majority of the UN general assembly condemns Israel and support Palestinian statehood (someone like 100 to 3 or 4) but it usually ends the same way with an American veto.