US found Zia ‘most patriotic liar’ on nukes, reveal declassified memos

[Armstrong]

Alright then .

Apologize , what for , mate ?

See @Ayush - He finally relented & apologized to the evil Punjabi !

Yeah Baby no one can eye-ball the evil Punjabi & get away with it !

 

[Ayush]

See @Ayush - He finally relented & apologized to the evil Punjabi !

Yeah Baby no one can eye-ball the evil Punjabi & get away with it !

chal jhhoot na bol
no bihari will apologise to a (evil) punjabi

 

[Secur]

I could never ever blame Zia or Musharraf for their decisions in Afghanistan because at that time if you had a 'Noora' like government then the USA would've had permanent bases in Pakistan and we would've became a state like Syria or Libya.

A political leader even the famed and anti-American Mullah politicians would have fared much worse than them both , that is for sure . The difference between both though is that unlike Musharraf , Zia still had a choice of " limited engagement " or " leaving the Afghans alone " and not participating in the war for American interests at all , because lets be honest even if we had not interfered back then , would Afghanistan have suddenly found stability and gone into the Soviet/Communist control ? No , the guerrilla warfare would have raged on and they still would have been fighting with the Communists , the same bloodbath , warlords , religious fanatics , drug wars and insane madness that goes on the other side of Khyber Pass today would have been present , even without us poking our nose in and trying to act as the guardians of Ummah . We ruined our country , for God's sake , because of that . That he chose the wrong one was his blunder , Musharraf on the other hand didn't enjoy this luxury and had to settle for the " lesser of two evils " . I mean , after all the Commander of the Faithful wasn't threatened to have this country bombed back to stone ages , right ? Remember the current War on Terror doesn't start from the attack on twin towers , it has it roots deep in the " Afghan Jihad "

 

[Armstrong]

chal jhhoot na bol
no bihari will apologise to a (evil) punjabi

Bhai @Secur nei girrgaraaa kar....aaansooon bhaaa bhaaaa kar maaafiii maaangiii haiii bhai seh - Tu baaat kartaa haii !

 

[Ayush]

Bhai @Secur nei girrgaraaa kar....aaansooon bhaaa bhaaaa kar maaafiii maaangiii haiii bhai seh - Tu baaat kartaa haii !

oye @Secur is it true??

 

[Secur]

not to forget, he lost land of almost 4000 sq km of land ! in siachen glacier, no patriotic Pakistani can ever forgive this guy for such a heinous crime against the country, he foolishly went ordering the gears for high mountain conditions from the same source, from which the Indians were ordering theirs ! this guy should have been court marshalled & shot, this man zia-ul-haq has caused more harm to Pakistan then any other leader in history how can some one like him is beyond me

2600-3000 sq2 of claimed Pakistani territory , not something we administered anyway , but yeah technically we lost land back then because of the intelligence blunder committed . Zia-ul-Haq as it appears , wasn't capable of retaking it , more interested in his quest for the leadership of the Islamic world . Let me add more to it , no foreign or third hand has harmed the Islamic Republic of Pakistan more than this leader .

 

[scholseys]

I find Zia Ul Haq to be the best president Pakistan ever had.

 

[illusion8]

Same guy in who's period the blasphemy law and the anti Ahmedi law was brought that is a bane for your minorities...right? or was it someone else?

 

[The Deterrent]

Someone remind me, when exactly did PAF master the bomb toss technique? 84?

No, in '84 there was no design small enough to be delivered by a fighter plane.
Most probably in late 90s.

 

[GreenFalcon]

A political leader even the famed and anti-American Mullah politicians would have fared much worse than them both , that is for sure . The difference between both though is that unlike Musharraf , Zia still had a choice of " limited engagement " or " leaving the Afghans alone " and not participating in the war for American interests at all , because lets be honest even if we had not interfered back then , would Afghanistan have suddenly found stability and gone into the Soviet/Communist control ? No , the guerrilla warfare would have raged on and they still would have been fighting with the Communists , the same bloodbath , warlords , religious fanatics , drug wars and insane madness that goes on the other side of Khyber Pass today would have been present , even without us poking our nose in and trying to act as the guardians of Ummah . We ruined our country , for God's sake , because of that . That he chose the wrong one was his blunder , Musharraf on the other hand didn't enjoy this luxury and had to settle for the " lesser of two evils " . I mean , after all the Commander of the Faithful wasn't threatened to have this country bombed back to stone ages , right ? Remember the current War on Terror doesn't start from the attack on twin towers , it has it roots deep in the " Afghan Jihad "

Very well said, I agree and understand now.

 

[Indus Falcon]

No, in '84 there was no design small enough to be delivered by a fighter plane.
Most probably in late 90s.

Sir I joined the service in Oct '89, and PAF had already perfected the technique.

 

[livingdead]

this man was entirely responsible for most of the mayhem , slaughtering , genocide , murder we have today
may he get fckd by his 72 virgins for the rest of his life

what da haq?

 

[Zarvan]

Yeah right altaf is responsible for the murder of liaqat ali khan / Bangladesh / afghan war / 9/11 / war on terror etc etc .. Go sell you shtty old boring theories some where else

Altaf is responsible for thousands of murder since MQM creation which MQM gangsters do on his orders he is responsible for Bhatta culture in Karachi which he receives he is responsible for torture killings

 

[GreenFalcon]

Yeah right altaf is responsible for the murder of liaqat ali khan / Bangladesh / afghan war / 9/11 / war on terror etc etc .. Go sell you shtty old boring theories some where else

Thats your gift from Altaf for being so wafadar to him

 

[pak-marine]

Thats your gift from Altaf for being so wafadar to him
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dont post your family pics here

Altaf is responsible for thousands of murder since MQM creation which MQM gangsters do on his orders he is responsible for Bhatta culture in Karachi which he receives he is responsible for torture killings

your extremists Talibanis brothers were and are the biggest murderers and bhatta khors and hippocrats they wanted an all out war and are now fighting each other and accusing each other of murder and mayhem charges ..