US found Zia most patriotic liar on nukes, reveal declassified memos
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i dont get it whats the point so he didnt tell usa big deal for once somebody cared about the national interest over what us liked
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US found Zia
WASHINGTON: US officials concluded in the 1980s that Pakistan was lying about its nuclear program but muted criticism due to Islamabads support against the Soviets in Afghanistan, declassified documents showed.
The memos released Thursday reveal some of the behind-the-scenes drama between the United States and Pakistan during Ronald Reagans presidency, foreshadowing current-day debates in the uneasy war partnership.
The documents included an account of a secret mission in June 1982 by a US envoy who confronted Pakistani military ruler Mohammed Zia ul-Haq with a letter from Reagan and said the United States had incontrovertible proof that Pakistan was seeking nuclear weapons.
The emissary, veteran US diplomat and translator Vernon Walters, said that Zia was extraordinarily courteous, relaxed and explained that he had no knowledge of nuclear weapons development but would check with his subordinates.
Either he really does not know or is the most superb and patriotic liar I have ever met, Walters wrote to the State Department.
The documents, some obtained after requests under the US Freedom of Information Act, were released to the National Security Archive at George Washington University, which made them available to AFP in advance.
Pakistan tested an atomic bomb in 1998, days after tests by neighbouring India. The United States banned assistance to Pakistan in 1990 soon after the Soviets left Afghanistan after concluding that it was developing nuclear weapons.
But Reagan exempted Pakistan from a law requiring sanctions, named after then senator Larry Pressler, even though the memos said that officials knew that the country was moving toward nuclear weapons.
The documents showed that the Reagan administration was genuinely concerned about Pakistans nuclear program, fearing it would trigger instability, and repeatedly warned Zia that Congress could cut off assistance.
There is overwhelming evidence that Zia has been breaking his assurances to us. We are absolutely confident that our intelligence is genuine and accurate, then secretary of state George Shultz wrote in a November 1982 memo to Reagan.
But Shultz recalled the essential role played by Zia in Afghanistan, where US and Pakistani agents funneled weapons to Islamic guerrillas who successfully fought a Soviet invasion.
A rupture of our relationship would call into question a central tenet of this administrations foreign policy strong support for our friends, Shultz wrote, calling the Afghan effort the most visible evidence of the US commitment to counter Soviet military thrusts worldwide. The memos said that as far back as 1982, US intelligence detected that Pakistani agents were seeking suspicious items from countries including Belgium, Finland, Japan, Sweden and Turkey.
Years later, such efforts were discovered to be the work of scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistans nuclear bomb. He is also accused of running a vast international black market of nuclear goods.
One secret assessment said that Pakistan was already believed to have enough for one nuclear weapon by October 1985 with assistance from China.
The US memos acknowledged that Pakistan was unlikely to comply with US pleas on its nuclear program in light of its concern over India, which has fought three full-fledged wars with Pakistan since independence in 1947.
The documents said that the United States was also urging restraint from India, which had strained relations with Washington during the 1980s.
Despite the criticism of its nuclear program, the United States resumed assistance to Pakistan to the tune of nearly $20 billion after it again offered support in Afghanistan following the September 11, 2001 attacks
WASHINGTON: US officials concluded in the 1980s that Pakistan was lying about its nuclear program but muted criticism due to Islamabads support against the Soviets in Afghanistan, declassified documents showed.
The memos released Thursday reveal some of the behind-the-scenes drama between the United States and Pakistan during Ronald Reagans presidency, foreshadowing current-day debates in the uneasy war partnership.
The documents included an account of a secret mission in June 1982 by a US envoy who confronted Pakistani military ruler Mohammed Zia ul-Haq with a letter from Reagan and said the United States had incontrovertible proof that Pakistan was seeking nuclear weapons.
The emissary, veteran US diplomat and translator Vernon Walters, said that Zia was extraordinarily courteous, relaxed and explained that he had no knowledge of nuclear weapons development but would check with his subordinates.
Either he really does not know or is the most superb and patriotic liar I have ever met, Walters wrote to the State Department.
The documents, some obtained after requests under the US Freedom of Information Act, were released to the National Security Archive at George Washington University, which made them available to AFP in advance.
Pakistan tested an atomic bomb in 1998, days after tests by neighbouring India. The United States banned assistance to Pakistan in 1990 soon after the Soviets left Afghanistan after concluding that it was developing nuclear weapons.
But Reagan exempted Pakistan from a law requiring sanctions, named after then senator Larry Pressler, even though the memos said that officials knew that the country was moving toward nuclear weapons.
The documents showed that the Reagan administration was genuinely concerned about Pakistans nuclear program, fearing it would trigger instability, and repeatedly warned Zia that Congress could cut off assistance.
There is overwhelming evidence that Zia has been breaking his assurances to us. We are absolutely confident that our intelligence is genuine and accurate, then secretary of state George Shultz wrote in a November 1982 memo to Reagan.
But Shultz recalled the essential role played by Zia in Afghanistan, where US and Pakistani agents funneled weapons to Islamic guerrillas who successfully fought a Soviet invasion.
A rupture of our relationship would call into question a central tenet of this administrations foreign policy strong support for our friends, Shultz wrote, calling the Afghan effort the most visible evidence of the US commitment to counter Soviet military thrusts worldwide. The memos said that as far back as 1982, US intelligence detected that Pakistani agents were seeking suspicious items from countries including Belgium, Finland, Japan, Sweden and Turkey.
Years later, such efforts were discovered to be the work of scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistans nuclear bomb. He is also accused of running a vast international black market of nuclear goods.
One secret assessment said that Pakistan was already believed to have enough for one nuclear weapon by October 1985 with assistance from China.
The US memos acknowledged that Pakistan was unlikely to comply with US pleas on its nuclear program in light of its concern over India, which has fought three full-fledged wars with Pakistan since independence in 1947.
The documents said that the United States was also urging restraint from India, which had strained relations with Washington during the 1980s.
Despite the criticism of its nuclear program, the United States resumed assistance to Pakistan to the tune of nearly $20 billion after it again offered support in Afghanistan following the September 11, 2001 attacks
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Very very lucky, that Gen Zia was killed when he was killed.
Gen Zia and his team were doing, what these days people won't even dream of.
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He is my distant relative. I hate when people on this forum that can't do anything in their own lives, try to insult him.
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And What is the purpose of ..........to tell this old story now.....just because its about Pakistan...............who else nation...which has Nukes.....not deceived the world ????, including India and Isreal.
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Why these grandMA stories USA is narrating AT THIS POINT after NATO supply issue...I believe they can't draw out (or fabricate God knows) a story without a reason...their must be some message 'between the lines, or above the lines or in the lines' in give message by USA...We need to decipher it...As to my message they are trying to say we were favoring you, even we were knowing of your nuclear program (I've just guessed only msg in the lines which is obvious...for a between the lines decoding you have to please dig out and relate to US-PAk new-engaged relations as I'm afraid not a political expert
)...it's is not about ZIA either, people says Zia-plane crash was some conspiracy, but God knows if they mean here he was punished out of their doubts (convicted for he was knowing then?)
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Could it be that those who were " supposed' to know..knew ?
The crash was no coincedence and not investigated either..mangoes do not explode by themselves...
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It was the CIA, although people like to spin the story that it was the Russians.
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BRO, We agree with your claim here...as we can see you giving SOME PEOPLE a tough time here on the lines ( blood ) being followed...
Clearly, no doubts in the lineage EXTRAORDINARY PATRIOTISM :'SLAM':
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BRO, We agree with your claim here...as we can see you giving SOME PEOPLE a tough time here on the lines ( blood ) being followed...
Actually we are not related by blood. But haha, nice that you caught that.
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some villagers saw Zia's plane crashing and said its engines were working before crash
some say his generals killed him as he didn't want to buy M 1 Abrams for PA
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