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US F-16's to Pak come with a 'no use against India in future' rider

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Yeah, These F-16s are just for TTP & Al Qaeda, not for use against India.

The 500 AIM-120s ordered are for downing the TTP & AQ Air Force, who have latest state of the art fighter jets.

The hundreds of JDAMS and Laser Guided Munitions would be all used against AQ & TTP.
 
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Those F-16 were purchased, infact, the order was decreased after the October earthquake. sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but we can do whatever we want with them in times of war.
 
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Jag read the below article it might just help you a little.


Pakistan has ordered a total of 111 F-16A/B aircraft. Of these, 71 were embargoed by the US due to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. Of these 71, 28 were actually built but were flown directly to the AMARC at Davis-Monthan AFB for storage.

Over the years, various plans were conceived for these 28 aircraft: Pakistan wanted to get the aircraft or their money back; they were offered to various nations, none of which were interested; ultimately, the US Navy and USAF entered them into service as aggressor aircraft.

After Pakistan's help in the war on terror, the US lifted the embargo. In 2005, Pakistan requested 24 new Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds (with option for as much as 55 aircraft). Ultimately an order for 18 F-16s was placed with an option on another 18.


Peace Gate III
Seven years after the first order, in December of 1988, Pakistan ordered 11 additional F-16A/B Block 15 OCU (Operational Capability Upgrade) aircraft (6 Alpha and 5 Bravo models) under the Peace Gate III program. These aircraft were purchased as attrition replacements and fully paid for, but are still awaiting delivery in the Arizona Desert. The reason for this is that Pakistan got involved in a controversy with the United States over its suspected nuclear weapons capability. Intelligence information reaching US authorities indicated that Pakistan was actively working on a nuclear bomb, had received a design for a bomb from China, had tested a nuclear trigger and was actively producing weapons-grade uranium. Furthermore, the F-16A's of no 9 and 11 squadrons at Sargodha AB have allegedly been modified to carry and deliver a Pakistani nuclear weapon. In addition, Pakistan has steadfastly refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

As a result, in accordance to the Pressler amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, which forbids military aid to any nation possessing a nuclear explosive device, the United States government announced on October 6th, 1990 that it had embargoed further arms deliveries to Pakistan. The 11 Peace Gate III aircraft were consequently stored at AMARC (Aircraft Maintenance and Regeneration Center) at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona, also known as the Boneyard. There, they were put in 'Flyable Hold' for 5 years, during which time 85% of each aircraft's fuel system was preserved with JP-9, and each aircraft had its engine run once every 45 days. This resulted in the curious situation that most of those aircraft now have more engine run time than air time, the latter being only 6 hours. This low air-time figure, plus the fact that these aircraft are the most modern F-16A/B's built, is the main reason why countries interested in second-hand F-16s first look at the Pakistani airframes.

Peace Gate IV

In September of 1989, plans were announced by Pakistan to acquire 60 more F-16A/B's. A contract was signed in the same year under the Peace Gate IV Foreign Military Sales Programs, for the delivery of 60 F-16s for US $1.4 billion or approximately US $23 million a piece. By March of 1994, 11 of these planes had been built and were directly flown into the Sonoran desert where they joined the 11 Peace Gate III aircraft in storage. A further six aircraft were stored by the end of 1994, so that a total of 17 aircraft (7 F-16A's and 10 F-16B's) of the Peace Gate IV order are now stored. A stop-work order affected the remaining 43 planes of the Peace Gate IV contract.

The Brown amendment later eased the restrictions on weapon exports to Pakistan, but specifically excluded the F-16s from this release. Pakistan had already paid $685 million on the contract for the first 28 F-16s (11 Peace Gate III and 17 Peace Gate IV), and insisted on either having the planes it ordered delivered or getting its money back.

At the end of 1998, the United States announced it would pay Pakistan $326.9 million in cash and up to $140 million in other compensation to settle the eight-year dispute. The $140 million will include about $60 million in US white wheat that Pakistan will receive during the current US fiscal year, which began on October 1st. The remaining $80 million in compensation will be negotiated by the two sides. The F-16 issue has been a headache for Pakistan, which is grappling to repay millions of dollars on its $32 billion in foreign debt amid a hard currency drought caused by sanctions and the suspension of International Monetary Fund programs.

After the attacks on 9/11 the Pakistani government became a major US ally in the war on terror. It was decided to redeliver those aircraft to Pakistan. Untill now, only half of them has been redelivered, with the remainder still to follow.


Peace Drive

On March 25th, 2005, the US Government announced that it had agreed to Pakistan's request to sell new F-16s. Initially, Pakistan has requested an additional 24 new Block 50/52 F-16C/Ds (with option for as much as 55 aircraft). Not much details are known at this moment about a possible sale of the aircraft to Pakistan. The deal is expected to be concluded by September or October of 2005. As part of the package, it was also agreed that the current fleet of older A/B models would get the MLU update.

As a sign of good gesture, the US agreed to supply Pakistan with a number of F-16s who where build under the Peace Gate III/IV programs.

Finally, after long series of negotiations, on September 30th, 2006 the contract was signed between the Pakistani and US government for the acquisition of 18 new F-16C/D block 52 aircraft and an option for another 18 more. In the deal the re-delivery of the 26 remaining Peace Gate III/IV aircraft was also agreed and the upgrade of those aircraft - and the remaining F-16A/B fleet - to MLU standards.

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article14.html
 
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US has a military aid program for Pak, which is separate from civilian aid. So all that military aid goes to buy weapons from US. F-16 were bought from that aid. Where do you think did the $2 billion go into?


US steps up military aid to Pakistan
 
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US has a military aid program for Pak, which is separate from civilian aid. So all that military aid goes to buy weapons from US. F-16 were bought from that aid. Where do you think did the $2 billion go into?


US steps up military aid to Pakistan

NDTV :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Good hai, now read my post at #19, and then let me know I will edit this one after you do that to the post 20 of yours so that you can save some face.

And remember this we are not israle that gets these planes on the house. The US is not our chacha mama or uncle to hand them over to us. We paid for these planes fair and square, and still got screwed for a long time. So get your facts right, just because you think this is the case or NDTV told u so dont really make it the reality.
 
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In case of war against india, Uncle Sam will not send its men to Pakistan to see what weapons the Pakistan military are using against india. This report is just to stop indians from crying. Pakistan will use whatever weapons it pleases, Pakistan purchased these weapons so Pakistan are now the owners of these F-16s, not Uncle Sam...these F-16s are not gifts, Pakistan bought them and Pakistan didnt buy them to be placed behind a locked door collecting dust.

hahah Omer bhai calm down. We Pakistani know USA way more then India can ever know uncle sam,,, they have to make India feel better coz they wanna sell their stuff to india aswell. Uncle sam we get it and omer bhai i cant write anymore ahha america tu bohat shetaan hai, chalak kahe ka hahah :pakistan::pakistan::china::usflag::smitten::rofl:
 
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Those F-16 were purchased, infact, the order was decreased after the October earthquake. sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but we can do whatever we want with them in times of war.

Exactly, as saying goes ignorance is a ............................

These F-16s were purchased from our own funds, reason being if it had been Aid, then we would have gone for all 36, but we went for half ones after the 2005 earth quake for this exact reason as we needed funds on the natural disaster front, so if it had been US aid money, then we would not had cut the order.

But as some people want to keep dreaming, so let them keep dreaming. Don't wake them up.
 
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US has a military aid program for Pak, which is separate from civilian aid. So all that military aid goes to buy weapons from US. F-16 were bought from that aid. Where do you think did the $2 billion go into?


US steps up military aid to Pakistan
Nope - I am at work right now but i will provide you DCSA document re: Pakistan sales which mentions that GOP is paying for these purchases.If it was from AID why would we reduce order from 36 to 18 after Earthquake?Anyway I will provide you US DCSA document once i get back home.
 
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US has a military aid program for Pak, which is separate from civilian aid. So all that military aid goes to buy weapons from US. F-16 were bought from that aid. Where do you think did the $2 billion go into?


US steps up military aid to Pakistan

Before going on a r**t, do read the news properly.

This is the counterinsurgency fund, these are the funds which are reimbursement for the operations being taken on to safe the arse of US in Afghanistan. We spend our money and then we get reimbursed, thus this is not aid. We get back our money spent.

And there is a separate counter insurgency capability fund, which is used to get weapons and ammo to be used in the counter insurgency operations only, not India specific, and this fund is also used to train the soldiers for COIN operations.

So these may like aid to you or US, but in reality it is the money being used to safe US arse in Afghanistan so that they can exist with some dignity, which by the way isn't there.
 
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Exactly, as saying goes ignorance is a ............................

These F-16s were purchased from our own funds, reason being if it had been Aid, then we would have gone for all 36, but we went for half ones after the 2005 earth quake for this exact reason as we needed funds on the natural disaster front, so if it had been US aid money, then we would not had cut the order.

But as some people want to keep dreaming, so let them keep dreaming. Don't wake them up.



The official said that the US did not know what had happened to the remaining 70% of the funds - amounting to approximately $3.8bn - but suspected that some of the money might have been spent on F-16 fighter jets
Pakistani military 'misspent up to 70% of American aid' | World news | The Guardian
 
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Corrections mate.

Pak didn't buy these weapons. These were part of aid to Pakistan. And for everything there is a license agreement that you have to sign. The license has the terms that Pak must obey. If it violates US will have full right to take away these weapons or destroy or disable them if required.

Even if you buy things, there's an agreement to it. You don't own things when you buy them, you just buy the right to use them. The terms and conditions are still valid after the purchase.


:hitwall: F-16s are BOUGHT!!!! its not aid! indians confuse the F-16s with other things!

F-16s, AMRAAMs!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...istan-joins-amraam-club-biggest-ever-buy.html


http://www.f-16.net/news_article1869.html


as for your last link please read properly "ALLEGATIONS" have surfaced that pakistan misspent its aid!! no proof! & people ignore the fact that pakistan paid for F-16s in 1990 only for the money to be used up by the US and pakistan got nothing in return!!!

BUY is different from "aid"! indians fail to understand! :wave:
 
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Let them use the F-16s against us.we are buyng 126 of the worlds most advanced fighter aircrafts apart from SU-30s,mig-29ks,tejas etc..At any point of time we have a much more formadible airforce.
 
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:hitwall: F-16s are BOUGHT!!!! its not aid! indians confuse the F-16s with other things!

F-16s, AMRAAMs!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...istan-joins-amraam-club-biggest-ever-buy.html


http://www.f-16.net/news_article1869.html


BUY is different from "aid"! indians fail to understand! :wave:
I know the F-16s are bought, but where did that money come from?
US has allocated over a billion dollars for Pak as military aid. Pak uses this aid to buy weapons.

If you discount the F-16 purchase, then a whole lot of military aid would go unaccounted for.
 
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