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US exempts 11 nations from Iran sanctions; China, India exposed

Question: do you know what the sanctions are ( entails)? do you know part of it are UN sanctions ( approved by majority)? do you know there is no " will not stand if we join hands " . It's also a US and Euro zone sanction imposed if you don't stand by it.

Do you not wonder Asim - if it was as simple as joining hands by 4-5 nations ( 4 of those you named don't even hold any leverage, frankly, in the world) , It would have happened? Not sure if you understand , you can hold hands and stand up but you will face US and Euro sanctions. Both regions each of the countries you named and then some are heavily dependent upon.

US sanctions, buddy. US is a country, it has to impose sanctions on India and China. If it was automatic, wouldn't it have already imposed sanctions on India by now?

If other countries can't isolate itself from the US, can the US honestly isolate itself from India and China together? They will change US laws before they hurt their economy.
 
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I am often surprised by your naivety; Iran is heavily dependent on Western service providers in oil & gas exploration, production and related activities. Iranian output will slow dramatically as more and more Western firms give in to their own survival instincts and leave. Several firms crucial to the Iranian Oil & Gas enterprise have left, and others are in the process of leaving, without the technology and skilled work force that these firms bring to Iran; Iran will not be able to sustain its current output.

So even if India and China stand firm and defy US sanctions it is a losing proposition for both. It is only a matter of time, soon Iran will have nothing to sell - Iran will back down.

Oil firm says it will withdraw from Iran - The Boston Globe

Japanese energy group to quit Iran oilfield - FT.com

I believe China has all technologies that Iran desperately need in oil and gas field, as well as refinery facilities.
 
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Buddy, that is what you guys said about North Korea too.

And not only have North Korea developed nukes, but they are bombarding one of your closest allies (South Korea) whenever they feel like it.

The US is strong, no doubt about it. But there is a limit to power, there always is.

I don't recall discussing North Korea - ever, not with you anyway. Thank you for your fortune cookie wisdom :rolleyes:, we all know there are limits to power.
The subject of conversation is Iran / Oil / Gas and US resolve and not North Korea.
 
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I don't recall discussing North Korea - ever, not with you anyway. Thank you for your fortune cookie wisdom :rolleyes:, we all know there are limits to power.
The subject of conversation is Iran / Oil / Gas and US resolve and not North Korea.

As said by kawaraj, can't China and other nations fill in the vacuum left behind the Western nations oil groups quitting Iran?
 
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I believe China has all technologies that Iran desperately need in oil and gas field, as well as refinery facilities.

I don't think so, Oil field technology has never been a focus area for the Chinese. Sure, the Chinese have a few mom & pops that provide low technology drilling services but nothing that will really help Iran.
 
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I don't recall discussing North Korea - ever, not with you anyway. Thank you for your fortune cookie wisdom :rolleyes:, we all know there are limits to power.
The subject of conversation is Iran / Oil / Gas and US resolve and not North Korea.

"You guys" = America.

And yes, North Korea still has nukes, and they are still beating on your close ally South Korea whenever they feel like it.

Iran is superior to North Korea in almost every way. So your confident assertion that they will back down when North Korea did not, is both laughable and ridiculous. :lol:
 
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Because in 1985, they summoned Japanese leaders and basically said: OK, you're getting too rich. You're starting to threaten my position. So I want you guys to collapse your economy by increasing your exchange rate. They complied and Japan entered the Lost Decade in 1989 after a gigantic collapse.

This was known as the Plaza Accord.

Why did they do this? Because there's tens of thousands of US marines in Japan and an army detachment right next to their Emperor's palace in Tokyo.

damn i never knew this. todays japanese are disgrace to there 3 legendary leaders who fought to unite the country 400 years ago . Its such a shame to c japan as military base of imperialists
 
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US sanctions, buddy. US is a country, it has to impose sanctions on India and China. If it was automatic, wouldn't it have already imposed sanctions on India by now?

If other countries can't isolate itself from the US, can the US honestly isolate itself from India and China together? They will change US laws before they hurt their economy.

The US doesn't seem too bothered about hurting their own economy nowadays.

But still, they won't sanction China and India.

Maybe Israel's safety isn't worth that much to them after all?
 
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I don't think so, Oil field technology has never been a focus area for the Chinese. Sure, the Chinese have a few mom & pops that provide low technology drilling services but nothing that will really help Iran.

nope, China's oil tech is awesome. I am in the energy machinery business.

the weak part of China is sea drilling(though catching up fast), but in Iran's case, no need ocean exploration.
 
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I believe China has all technologies that Iran desperately need in oil and gas field, as well as refinery facilities.

China and Russia. Technology is not an exclusive Western domain any more.

The days of Israeli proxy blackmail are coming to a close. With an economy in the dumps, European firms have to ask themselves: do they shoot themselves in the foot to soothe Israeli tantrums and let the Chinese/Russians grab the spoils?
 
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It is a fact that an Indian trade delegation (infact one of the largest) recently visited Iran to enhance trade ties..Perhaps the world is not a round..but an oblate spheroid.

The problem is that the India is deliberately sending out mixed signals. Everyone believes what they want to believe: it is decreasing imports; it is arranging alternative payment methods. It's all over the place.
 
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The days of Israeli proxy blackmail are coming to a close. With an economy in the dumps, European firms have to ask themselves: do they shoot themselves in the foot to soothe Israeli tantrums and let the Chinese/Russians grab the spoils?

Might be sooner than we expect.

I don't think America is dumb enough to invade Iran, they will have to let Israel down.

But they will spin the story really well.
 
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@Indians,no need to worry.
Though what China,South Korea and Turkey are going to do are not known but GoI has issued several steps to cut oil imports by 20%

India pushes refiners to cut imports from Iran
Reuters | Mar 22, 2012, 10.38AM IST
NEW DELHI: India, publicly disdainful of sanctions to pressure Iran, has been left off a list of nations given a US waiver from the measures, but is privately pushing its refiners for substantial cuts in imports from the Middle Eastern country.

The United States gave exemptions on Tuesday from its crippling financial sanctions to Japan and 10 EU nations it said had cut purchases of Iranian crude, but left Asian economic giants India and China exposed to the risk of such steps.

However, the 15 percent cut sources say India is privately demanding from state-run refiners could help it qualify for such an exemption. Reuters' calculations show the overall cuts refiners are planning to make could be deeper at around 20 percent.

"It's a sensitive matter," said a government official who declined to be identified because he was not authorised to speak to the media. "You won't get to know. To keep it secret we are sharing information and minutes of the key meetings over the phone instead of exchanging or sending letters."

Written communication that was sent has been tightly guarded.

"The letters were being sent like those in the British Raj," another government official said. "Properly sealed with melted wax and in double envelopes as this is a very sensitive issue. Marked as 'To be opened by addressee only.'"

Indian state refiners planning to cut the size of their term deals with Iran have sought additional supplies from the world's top oil exporter, Saudi Arabia, and fellow OPEC member Iraq.

MRPL, India's largest Iranian oil buyer, plans to cut its imports by as much as 44 percent to 80,000 barrels per day (bpd) for the fiscal year starting on April 1.

While these moves contrast with India's public stance that it is free to take oil on offer by Iran, one analyst said the government was lining up with the United States and the EU.

"This government...has arguably been more pro-U.S. than any other government has been," said Paranjoy Guha Thakurta, a political commentator in New Delhi.

"Despite its public position, the Indian government and its policies are aligned to the U.S. and EU."

STEPS BEHIND THE SCENES

The behind-the-scenes moves from India, whose symbolic Taj Mahal was built for a Persian princess, have not gone unnoticed by the United States. "With respect to India, they are making steps that are heading in the right direction," US secretary of state Hillary Clinton told lawmakers in February.

"In fact, I think in a number of instances, the actions of countries and their banks are better than the public statements that we sometimes hear them making," Clinton said. The U.S. sanctions target financial transactions with Iran and recent European Union measures also make shipping to and from the Islamic republic difficult as the western powers pressure Tehran over its nuclear ambitions.

Iran, the biggest oil producer in OPEC after Saudi Arabia and the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, says its nuclear programme is purely for peaceful purposes.

India has been dancing around the restrictions as its public stance implies it does not expect a waiver. Shippers are looking for sovereign guarantees for their vessels or for Iran to take on the freighting charges.

The latest twist in India's search for a way to pay for Iran's crude is a semi-barter arrangement using the rupee, which is not freely traded on global markets, for just short of half the imports - worth about $5 billion.

New Delhi hopes to take this opportunity to boost exports to Iran from around $2.7 billion last year, which could be paid for from the refiners' rupees - to be held in an account with UCO Bank, which has virtually no business with the United States.

But a recent trip by exporters to Iran to explore sales with rupee payment appears to have had little success, with deals for sugar and soymeal immediately afterwards sealed in dollars paid through middlemen in Dubai.

India has stayed in close contact with the United States at every turn in the tale, with a move to use Iran's privately-run Bank Parsian instead of Tehran's newly-sanctioned central bank coming hot on the heels of a diplomatic visit.

One of the industry sources said the request to switch banks came around the time that India's foreign secretary visited the United States in February.

India pushes refiners to cut imports from Iran - The Times of India

Good move from India.:tup:
 
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The problem is that the India is deliberately sending out mixed signals. Everyone believes what they want to believe: it is decreasing imports; it is arranging alternative payment methods. It's all over the place.

That is our intent. Both Iran and US are important partners and we would like it to remain that way.
 
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