US election 2020: Could it be Bernie Sanders v Donald Trump?

[Omar Al-Deek]

Americans Like I said are fatigued at the Two Party duopoly they had enough of these clean cut "Obama/Clinton" and "Bush/Reagan" center right and center left types they know frustrations are high they know many young people are looking at extreme ideas like Communism on the left and Ethnic Nationalism of the right besides the demographics of the US is changing rapidly the elites in power are scared of the Americans waking up and smelling the coffee they will let them degenrate through soft power eg-LGBTQZ and neo-liberal crap but for how long people will wake up at some point so they are putting folks like Bernie and Trump in public to soothe American anger at the system basically but I think in a decade or two this will falter as geo-politically the US is getting screwed and its cred tanks

I agree. And like the youth you described, I'm no fan of centrism, myself.

I wish that democracy would be suspended and the United States would move towards Islamization under a martial law administrator who is both a sincere Muslim and a General.

However, it seems the US public doesn't share my views.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I agree. And like the youth you described, I'm no fan of centrism, myself.

I wish that democracy would be suspended and the United States would move towards Islamization under a martial law administrator who is both a sincere Muslim and a General.

However, it seems the US public doesn't share my views.

Doubtful I rather see most American "Muslims" return to their homelands and fix ours first America is no hope tbh, better to prepare and pack bags before and hunker back

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Doubtful I rather see most American "Muslims" return to their homelands and fix ours first America is no hope tbh, better to prepare and pack bags before and hunker back

Yes, I agree with you. I hope the US becomes very weakened so it can't cause too much damage as it goes downhill.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes, I agree with you. I hope the US becomes very weakened so it can't cause too much damage as it goes downhill.

Muslims need to understand the reason why we are here in the west no1-proxy wars of the Cold War/Post-Cold War led to destruction of homelands no2-the comprador elite in our homelands are addicted to the dollar and only care about their bank accounts in the west and screwing us economically and politically no 3-The West is thristy for cheap labor and brain drain well this isnt mainly a Muslim issue its a worldwide problem and west takes advantage of that

 

[PakFactor]

Yes, I agree with you. I hope the US becomes very weakened so it can't cause too much damage as it goes downhill.

When an animal is on it's last breath like a lion it tends to lash out and make victims of those nearby it.

 

[That Guy]

The only ones who have a chance of beating Trump are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. If Biden gets the democratic nomination, Trump will absolutely crush him.

In fact, if Bernie or Elizabeth don't get the democratic nomination, but Biden does, it will be one of the grossest miscarriages of democracy in American history

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

Muslims need to understand the reason why we are here in the west no1-proxy wars of the Cold War/Post-Cold War led to destruction of homelands no2-the comprador elite in our homelands are addicted to the dollar and only care about their bank accounts in the west and screwing us economically and politically no 3-The West is thristy for cheap labor and brain drain well this isnt mainly a Muslim issue its a worldwide problem and west takes advantage of that

I am a Muslim but my family doesn't come from a Muslim country. I honestly am not exactly sure what happened that caused my family to come here. The US is a place that people come to for making money. And some people might have been starving back home so I don't think it's right for the racist types to to say "well, these immigrants are greedy!". Is it greed to want a better life for your family?

But the US maybe helps provide a better life in terms of economics. But culturally and in terms of values I really hate this place.

I hate that people say "well the US is so rich" as though that excuses its moral corruption. A person who takes that line of argument maybe is morally corrupt themselves. Even if a child knows that money is not the measure of moral uprightness.

My family came from Mexico. The US has been causing problems for Mexico since Mexico became independent from Spain.

I am Muslim (revert) so I interact with cultures from places and continents I've never been to. I don't understand how the US has managed to even antagonize people all the way in Pakistan so that even people in Pakistan are fed up with the US.

I don't really know much about places like Pakistan and don't really claim to. I don't trust English-language media about Pakistan and I think I would need to know Urdu to really understand Pakistan.

Every Muslim is my brother (or sister). Therefore, I want good for all Muslims. I am sad for the difficulties faced by Muslims.

However, it is not entirely the poverty that worries me. What saddens me most of all I think is the loss of imaan and the colonized mentality among some people.

I hope all Muslims take up the spirit of anti-imperialist struggle and resist the colonized mentality, becoming Westernized in their values and resist Western imperialism in general, which continues to be a very real thing.

The only ones who have a chance of beating Trump are Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. If Biden gets the democratic nomination, Trump will absolutely crush him.

In fact, if Bernie or Elizabeth don't get the democratic nomination, but Biden does, it will be one of the grossest miscarriages of democracy in American history

I like Bernie compared to the others

oh I very much hope that it's not that Elizabeth Warren lady.........

what a humiliation it would be to have that woman as president.... or to have a woman as president in general!

I would rather Trump than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton......

I am very much happy that we are at least not as cucked as Sweden, UK and Canada..... I would prefer the country I live in to at least not be 100% emasculated

I come from Texas and I moved to California for work purposes.... I come out here and the men are like women..... go to Texas and California and you can see in California the sexes are more androgynous.... it disgusts me..... they try to brainwash the men to be effeminate..... that very much disgusts me

the women also are much more like men..... I relate to Ahmed Deedat... he was honest... he said SA gov was racist but they did promote moral values.... Texas yes has racism but it also has some healthy values to an extent (I say this because it's losing those values).......

the women from Texas are soft and feminine and pleasant.... my mouth waters a little thinking of them.... the California women are like butch lesbians.... I think a man is crazy to go for a woman from California.... Cali women think they are men... meanwhile I've seem straight men carry purses out here.... the world would be better off if a natural disaster destroyed this state..... I would accept this even if it killed me as well

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The US is a place that people come to for making money. And some people might have been starving back home so I don't think it's right for the racist types to to say "well, these immigrants are greedy!". Is it greed to want a better life for your family?

People have to wait their turn. There are 10's of millions of people waiting to get into the US legally. When people "jump the fence" it basically is like somebody muscling to the front of a que.

Unfortunately the US doesn't have tons of good jobs to spare like in the 1800's. We can't let 50Million people in every year or our homeless and welfare percents will skyrocket far worse than they are now.

It used to be 150 years somebody could get off the boat and easily take an unskilled manufacturing job. Those jobs are in Asia now. If people want to come here "to make money" it isn't as simple as it used to be.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

People have to wait their turn. There are 10's of millions of people waiting to get into the US legally. When people jump the fence it basically is like somebody muscling to the front of a que.

Unfortunately the US doesn't have tons of good jobs to spare like in the 1800's. We can't let 50Million people in every year or our homeless and welfare percents will skyrocket far worse than they are now.

It used to be 150 years somebody could get off the boat and easily take an unskilled manufacturing job. Those jobs are in Asia now. If people want to come here "to make money" it isn't as simple as it used to be.

The US stole more than half of Mexico's territory. I might care about the white nationalist complaining when the US gives the stolen land back.

Also, I didn't even say anything about legal or illegal immigration. Mind your own business. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not on a Pakistani forum to talk to annoying white trolls who can't mind their business.

Also, the white US people's problems (besides lack of religious values) are very minor and little compared to the real problems faced by others. It's ridiculous to expect brown people to cry about white people problems.

Also, have you seen the homeless people? Come to California. The homeless people are black people and white drug addicts. Same with people doing drugs on the sidewalk.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Also, the white US people's problems

Hey I didn't realize the problems I described with immigration were exclusively a problem seen only by white people in the US (and the rest of the population is oblivious to it). Thanks for bringing up the race card and cluing us all in on that.

 

[PakFactor]

I am a Muslim but my family doesn't come from a Muslim country. I honestly am not exactly sure what happened that caused my family to come here. The US is a place that people come to for making money. And some people might have been starving back home so I don't think it's right for the racist types to to say "well, these immigrants are greedy!". Is it greed to want a better life for your family?

But the US maybe helps provide a better life in terms of economics. But culturally and in terms of values I really hate this place.

I hate that people say "well the US is so rich" as though that excuses its moral corruption. A person who takes that line of argument maybe is morally corrupt themselves. Even if a child knows that money is not the measure of moral uprightness.

My family came from Mexico. The US has been causing problems for Mexico since Mexico became independent from Spain.

I am Muslim (revert) so I interact with cultures from places and continents I've never been to. I don't understand how the US has managed to even antagonize people all the way in Pakistan so that even people in Pakistan are fed up with the US.

I don't really know much about places like Pakistan and don't really claim to. I don't trust English-language media about Pakistan and I think I would need to know Urdu to really understand Pakistan.

Every Muslim is my brother (or sister). Therefore, I want good for all Muslims. I am sad for the difficulties faced by Muslims.

However, it is not entirely the poverty that worries me. What saddens me most of all I think is the loss of imaan and the colonized mentality among some people.

I hope all Muslims take up the spirit of anti-imperialist struggle and resist the colonized mentality, becoming Westernized in their values and resist Western imperialism in general, which continues to be a very real thing.



I like Bernie compared to the others

oh I very much hope that it's not that Elizabeth Warren lady.........

what a humiliation it would be to have that woman as president.... or to have a woman as president in general!

I would rather Trump than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton......

I am very much happy that we are at least not as cucked as Sweden, UK and Canada..... I would prefer the country I live in to at least not be 100% emasculated

I come from Texas and I moved to California for work purposes.... I come out here and the men are like women..... go to Texas and California and you can see in California the sexes are more androgynous.... it disgusts me..... they try to brainwash the men to be effeminate..... that very much disgusts me

the women also are much more like men..... I relate to Ahmed Deedat... he was honest... he said SA gov was racist but they did promote moral values.... Texas yes has racism but it also has some healthy values to an extent (I say this because it's losing those values).......

the women from Texas are soft and feminine and pleasant.... my mouth waters a little thinking of them.... the California women are like butch lesbians.... I think a man is crazy to go for a woman from California.... Cali women think they are men... meanwhile I've seem straight men carry purses out here.... the world would be better off if a natural disaster destroyed this state..... I would accept this even if it killed me as well

Nicely put. I was in Cali few months back for a conference and faggetry is rampant in Cali — I don’t believe it these gays and all as it runs counter to essence how we are created male and female for each other only.

 

[That Guy]

I like Bernie compared to the others

oh I very much hope that it's not that Elizabeth Warren lady.........

what a humiliation it would be to have that woman as president.... or to have a woman as president in general!

I would rather Trump than Elizabeth Warren or Hillary Clinton......

I am very much happy that we are at least not as cucked as Sweden, UK and Canada..... I would prefer the country I live in to at least not be 100% emasculated

I come from Texas and I moved to California for work purposes.... I come out here and the men are like women..... go to Texas and California and you can see in California the sexes are more androgynous.... it disgusts me..... they try to brainwash the men to be effeminate..... that very much disgusts me

the women also are much more like men..... I relate to Ahmed Deedat... he was honest... he said SA gov was racist but they did promote moral values.... Texas yes has racism but it also has some healthy values to an extent (I say this because it's losing those values).......

the women from Texas are soft and feminine and pleasant.... my mouth waters a little thinking of them.... the California women are like butch lesbians.... I think a man is crazy to go for a woman from California.... Cali women think they are men... meanwhile I've seem straight men carry purses out here.... the world would be better off if a natural disaster destroyed this state..... I would accept this even if it killed me as well

So, this is actually quite a creepy and unnerving comment. I don't need to know about your sexual fantasies.

If your entire argument revolves around Elizabeth Warren's womanhood being a disqualifying factor, than your argument is invalid.

What a gross comment.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

So, this is actually quite a creepy and unnerving comment. I don't need to know about your sexual fantasies.

If your entire argument revolves around Elizabeth Warren's womanhood being a disqualifying factor, than your argument is invalid.

What a gross comment.

I don't describe sex fantasies. In one sentence out of the entire post, I simply expressed a preference for women who are feminine, which is pretty normal.

You try to take my words and twist them into something they're not, quite likely for political purposes.

I think you come and clearly have an agenda of being the PC police. I think your issue is that I'm not in line with PC thinking, no matter you try to spin it in a biased way.

A woman should not be president and that simply is how it is, regardless of how you twist and exaggerate things to try to smear those who think differently.

 

[That Guy]

I don't describe sex fantasies. In one sentence out of the entire post, I simply expressed a preference for women who are feminine, which is pretty normal.

That's not normal. You do go up to a random stranger, and start talking about sex, do you?

You try to take my words and twist them into something they're not, quite likely for political purposes.

I think you come and clearly have an agenda of being the PC police. I think your issue is that I'm not in line with PC thinking, no matter you try to spin it in a biased way.

A woman should not be president and that simply is how it is, regardless of how you twist and exaggerate things to try to smear those who think differently.

First, you replied to me, not the other way around, if you're gonna give me a low quality reply, you're gonna get a low quality response to your reply.

Also, this is what you said that grossed me out...

the women from Texas are soft and feminine and pleasant.... my mouth waters a little thinking of them....

That made me wanna puke a little.

I don't want to hear about what your preference in women are. That's gross, keep that to yourself.

If that's not expressing a sexual fantasy, I don't know what is.

Also, what political reason? What is the political reason behind you telling me about your preference in women, and me being grossed out by it?

We can discuss whether or not a woman can or cannot be president, but I don't want to hear your comment about what turns you on sexually.

In fact, why should a woman not be president? If your argument is her womanhood itself, your argument is invalid. Give me a valid reason that a woman cannot be the president of the united states of america.

Finally, calling me the "pc police" honestly just proves to me that you aren't worth debating. Anyone who uses such language has nothing important to say.

[Edit]: @Desert Fox I don't know if you deleted it, or the mods, but what you said about me is disgusting. You should be ashamed. I also find it ironic that you would use such a derogatory term towards me, someone who defends Pakistan constantly, but ignore the fact that the other guy is far more westernized than I am.

 

[Desert Fox]

[Edit]: @Desert Fox I don't know if you deleted it, or the mods, but what you said about me is disgusting. You should be ashamed.

Yes, I called you a word I shouldn't have and I was wrong.

Now, however, back to the meat and potatoes of this discussion; I dont see why you are on the defensive about a culture and ideology that is just colonialism in another form wreaking havoc across the world, besides the fact that its degenerate the the nth degree.

And yes, I agree with @Omar Al-Deek , women cant be leaders. Why I say this? Because no one puts them in the positions of officers in the military lol

It's a fact, but this liberal charade and puppeteering is just to play games of emotionalism by entertaining false notions of gender equality.

If we dont put them in charge of making military strategies, and that's where the true differences show, then why put them in charge of nations? Because democracy is a farce