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US Drone strikes in Pakistan are illegal under international law.

So no, I don't justify the deaths of many innocents that have followed our search for justice after we were attacked on 9/11/2001. I would just say that it made us way, way, way mad and we are still not over it. Maybe when bin Laden and Zawahiri are known to be dead we will let it go. I don't know. In the mean time we are not going to be rational, we are not going to forget, and more people are going to die.
First of all, do you know why 9/11 happened? Because of US involvement in the Middle East. It didn't happen for any religious purposes. Religion was used to justify it, but it didn't cause it. Read this:The American Conservative -- The Logic of Suicide Terrorism.

You also said you will not be rational. Shouldn't US be the bigger 'man' here and be rational? What are you guys retaliating for anyway? You could have helped stop 9/11 by not policing the world, and focus more domestically.

People have already admitted the Iraq war was a mistake. So is the Afghan war. But you'll continue to be irrational and continue it anyway.

Note that I'm talking about the government, not the people. People of all countries want peace, its the leaders that lead them to war.
 
US drone attack kills five militants in North Waziristan

Monday, 12 Apr, 2010

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone fired two missiles into a Taliban compound in Pakistan's tribal area near the Afghan border late Monday, killing at least five militants, security officials said.

The compound, located in mountainous Boya village about 20 kilometres (12 miles) west of North Waziristan region's main town of Miramshah, belonged to a militant commander.

“The compounds was owned by local Taliban commander Tariq Khan,” a security official told AFP, adding that the unmanned aircraft fired two missiles.

“We have confirmation of five people killed,” an administration official said, adding that the death toll may rise. AT least two militants were believed to have been wounded.

Monday's missile attack came as Pakistani security forces killed 39 militants in heavy fighting in Orakzai, another tribal region, officials said.— AFP

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It is off topic question but kindly clear me on this issue..

What does "suspected" drone attacks mean?
What does "suspected" Al Qaeda members mean?

Is it the same suspicion upon which Iraq war was waged (weapons of mass destruction)

Or it is a different suspicion..
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saad445566, Sir,

The use of the word "suspected" is merely to convey that the journalist cannot prove, absolutely, that the strike was from a USA drone because he only has reports of potentially biased "locals" to go on. similarly, journalists use "suspected" al Qaeda because they cannot prove that the person was an al Qaeda person, they only have the say-so of US or Pakistani authorities who may be wrong or biased. Journalists use the word "suspected" or "alleged" to convey that the report is based on information that cannot be confirmed without some measure of doubt.
 
US missiles kill four militants in North Waziristan

Wednesday, 14 Apr, 2010

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone fired missiles at a car traveling through Pakistan's lawless tribal badlands on the Afghan border Wednesday, killing at least four militants, security officials said.

The strike is part of a covert US drone war targeting Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked commanders in the northwestern tribal belt, where militants have carved out havens in mountainous areas outside direct government control.

It took place at Amboor Shaga village, 25 kilometres (15 miles) west of Miramshah, the main town of North Waziristan, one of seven districts in the tribal belt that shadows the border with Afghanistan.

“A US drone fired two missiles at a car,” a senior Pakistani security official told AFP on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

“Four militants were killed in the missile strike,” the official said.

Two security officials confirmed the missile strike and death toll, but the identities and nationalities of the dead were not immediately clear.

“It is not clear whether any important militant was killed in the missile strike,” the first Pakistani official told AFP.

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Officials: US missiles kill 4 in NW Pakistan

By RASOOL DAWAR (AP) – 3 hours ago

MIR ALI, Pakistan — Suspected U.S. missiles struck a vehicle carrying militants in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday, killing four alleged insurgents, intelligence officials said.

The strike occurred in the Anbar Shaga area of North Waziristan tribal region near the border with Afghanistan.

At least three suspected militants also were wounded in Wednesday's strike, said the Pakistani officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record. The militants had apparently stopped the car to say their prayers.

The exact identities of the wounded and killed were not immediately known.

Anbar Shaga is part of the stronghold of Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a militant commander who has been involved in attacking Western forces across the border.

Pakistan has struck a deal with Bahadur, effectively saying it will leave him alone if he stays out of the way as Islamabad wages an army offensive against the Pakistani Taliban in the South Waziristan region.

There have been some concerns that repeated missile strikes on Bahadur's territory could imperil that deal.

The U.S. and Pakistan are allies in the battle against extremism, but Pakistan has publicly protested the missile strikes as violations of its sovereignty. Still, it is believed to provide intelligence for at least some of the strikes, including those that take out commanders of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant network that stages attacks across Pakistan.

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Two drone strikes take place in North Waziristan

Friday, 16 Apr, 2010

MIRAMSHAH: At least six people were killed and five injured in two drone attacks that struck the Toolkhel area near Miramshah in North Waziristan on Friday.

According to official sources, at least seven missiles fired from US drones hit two vehicles and a house in the Toolkhel area.

At least three people were killed in the first US drone strike, which was then followed by a second attack in the same area that killed three more people.

The identities of those killed are not yet known.

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US missiles kill four militants in NW Pakistan

By Hasbanullah Khan (AFP) – 7 hours ago

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan — Missiles fired from US drones targeted a car and a compound in Pakistan's lawless tribal area on the Afghan border Friday, killing at least four militants, security officials said.

The attack struck Tolkhel village in the suburbs of Miranshah, the main town in the restive North Waziristan tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

"At least four militants were killed after US drones fired missiles at a car and a nearby compound used by militants," a senior security official told AFP.

Another security official and a local administration official confirmed the drone attack and the death toll.

"Missiles hit a car carrying militants and as soon as other people rushed into help, more missiles were fired by drones," the official said. "The identity of the militants was not immediately clear."

US forces have been waging a covert drone war against Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked commanders in the nuclear-armed country's northwestern tribal belt, where militants have carved out havens in mountainous areas outside direct government control.

AFP: US missiles kill four militants in NW Pakistan
 
US drone kills seven in North Waziristan

Saturday, 24 Apr, 2010

MIRAMSHAH: A US drone fired three missiles into a militant compound in Pakistan's tribal area near the Afghan border on Saturday, killing seven militants, security officials said.

The strike took place at 9:00 pm in Marsi khel area, 20 kilometers east of Miramshah, the main town of North Waziristan.

The nationalities of the seven dead militants were not immediately clear, a senior Pakistani security official told AFP on condition of anonymity. Another security official confirmed the strike and the death toll.—AFP

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Five killed in North Waziristan drone attack

Tuesday, 27 Apr, 2010

MIRAMSHAH: At least five people were killed and three others injured when a US drone attacked a seminary in Mirali tehsil of North Waziristan on Monday morning.

According to local people, the unmanned plane fired three missiles at the seminary owned by Maulvi Muneer in Khushali Toorikhel area. The victims belonged to the Mehsud tribe.

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MIRANSHAH, Pakistan
Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:11am EDT

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan (Reuters) - Three missiles fired by U.S. drone aircraft struck a militant compound in Pakistan's North Waziristan region near the Afghan border on Monday, killing five militants, intelligence officials said.

The strike took place about 24 km (15 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan, known as a hotbed of Taliban and al Qaeda militants, they said.

"We have got confirmed reports of five dead but the number could be higher," said a Pakistani intelligence official in the region, who declined to be identified.

Another official said militants had cordoned off the area.

It was the second attack by pilotless U.S. aircraft in the area in the past two days. Seven militants were killed in a similar strike on Saturday.

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Amid outrage over civilian deaths in Pakistan, CIA turns to smaller missiles

By Joby Warrick and Peter Finn
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, April 26, 2010

The CIA is using new, smaller missiles and advanced surveillance techniques to minimize civilian casualties in its targeted killings of suspected insurgents in Pakistan's tribal areas, according to current and former officials in the United States and Pakistan.

The technological improvements have resulted in more accurate operations that have provoked relatively little public outrage, the officials said. Pakistan's government has tolerated the airstrikes, which have killed hundreds of suspected insurgents since early 2009, but that support has always been fragile and could quickly evaporate, U.S. and Pakistani officials said.

The CIA declines to publicly discuss its clandestine operations in Pakistan, and a spokesman would not comment on the kinds of weapons the agency is using. But two counterterrorism officials said in interviews that evolving technology and tactics have kept the number of civilian deaths extremely low. The officials, along with other U.S. and Pakistani officials interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity because the drone campaign is both classified and controversial.

Last month, a small CIA missile, probably no bigger than a violin case and weighing about 35 pounds, tore through the second floor of a house in Miram Shah, a town in the tribal province of South Waziristan. The projectile exploded, killing a top al-Qaeda official and about nine other suspected terrorists.

The mud-brick house collapsed and the roof of a neighboring house was damaged, but no one else in the town of 5,000 was hurt, according to U.S. officials who have reviewed after-action reports.

Urban strikes

The agency, using 100-pound Hellfire missiles fired from remotely controlled Predator aircraft, once targeted militants largely in rural settings, but lighter weapons and miniature spy drones have made killings in urban areas more feasible, officials said.

According to an internal CIA accounting described to The Washington Post, just over 20 civilians are known to have died in missile strikes since January 2009, in a 15-month period that witnessed more than 70 drone attacks that killed 400 suspected terrorists and insurgents. Agency officials said the CIA's figures are based on close surveillance of targeted sites both before and after the missiles hit.

Unofficial tallies based on local news reports are much higher. The New America Foundation puts the civilian death toll at 181 and reports a far higher number of alleged terrorists and insurgents killed -- more than 690.

The drone strikes have been controversial in Pakistan, where many view them as an infringement on national sovereignty. In the past the strikes have spawned protests, as well as angry denunciations in newspaper editorials and in speeches by opposition politicians.

The clamor over the strikes has died down considerably over the past year, however, and Pakistani officials acknowledge that improved accuracy is one of the reasons. Pakistani security officials say that better targeting technology, a deeper pool of spies in the tribal areas, and greater cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistani intelligence services have all led to strikes that cause fewer civilian deaths.

Still, the drone strikes are often cited by Pakistanis as a prime reason for their displeasure with U.S. policy in the region. Pakistan has repeatedly asked for its own armed drones so that it can carry out the strikes -- a move that could help the government with the perception that it has ceded authority to the United States. The United States has agreed to provide Pakistan with surveillance drones but has declined to arm them.

Peter Bergen, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, said the agency's accounting of the effects of the drone campaign can neither be confirmed nor refuted without greater access to the tribal areas for outsiders or independent scrutiny of CIA video of the strikes.

Officials say CIA targeteers are increasingly driven to avoid civilian deaths, in part to tamp down any political blowback from Pakistan and from U.S. and international human rights groups. Current and former officials point to the relative absence of complaints from local and regional leaders as evidence of the success of their efforts.

"Where are the photos of atrocities? Where are the protests?" asked one U.S. official who closely monitors the program. "After civilian deaths in Afghanistan, there are always press reports. Why don't you ever see that in Pakistan?"

Peter Warren Singer, director of the 21st Century Defense Initiative at the Brookings Institution, noted that while Americans use words such as "efficient" and "costless" to describe the campaign, some Pakistanis view it as war without honor.

"The civilian-casualties narrative is a misnomer; it's not a driver of perceptions," said Singer, the author of "Wired for War: The Robotics Revolution and Conflict in the 21st Century." He said that in the tribal areas, the technology itself can be seen as evil because it is so alien.

The fear of collateral damage has led to what officials describe as a rigorous process for confirming the identity of terrorism suspects -- a process that includes what one U.S. official described as "advance visual observation" by operatives or surveillance drones. But new tools and weapons are equally important, the officials said.

"We're talking about precision unsurpassed in the history of warfare," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the CIA program is highly classified.

Today, several small missiles are available to the agency, including the 21-inch Small Smart Weapon, created by Lockheed Martin. Weighing 35 pounds and having roughly the diameter of a coffee cup, the Scorpion, as it is now called, was designed to be launched from the Predator. It causes far less destruction than a Hellfire, and it can be fitted with four different guidance systems that allow it to home in on targets as small as a single person, in complete darkness, according to U.S. officials familiar with the missile.

A Lockheed spokesman declined to say whether the CIA is currently using the Scorpion, which, according to a Lockheed brochure, is intended for "precision attack using a small, lethal warhead against targets in areas requiring low collateral damage." The agency is also using a variety of warheads for the Hellfire, one former senior intelligence official said. Among them is a small thermobaric warhead, which detonates a cocktail of explosive powders on impact to create a pressure wave that kills humans but leaves structures relatively intact. The wave reaches around corners and can penetrate the inner recesses of bunkers and caves, according to weapons experts.

The CIA's expanded arsenal also includes surveillance drones that carry no weapons, two former intelligence officials said. These "micro-UAVs" -- unmanned aerial vehicles -- can be roughly the size of a pizza platter and are capable of monitoring potential targets at close range, for hours or days at a stretch. At night, they can be nearly impossible to detect, said one former official who has worked with such aircraft.

"It can be outside your window and you won't hear a whisper," the official said.

Amid outrage over civilian deaths in Pakistan, CIA turns to smaller missiles
 
Suspected US strike kills four in North Waziristan


Monday, 03 May, 2010

KHAR: Suspected US missiles killed four alleged militants in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal area on Monday, intelligence officials said.

The three missiles were fired minutes apart at a moving vehicle in the agency's Marsikhel area.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to speak to media on the record.

The US has used missiles to target militant hideouts in North Waziristan dozens of times in recent months.

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Six killed in US drone attack in NWA

Updated at: 0908 PST, Sunday, May 09, 2010
MIRANSHAH: At least six extremists were killed and various others injured in a missile attack by the US surveillance plane in North Waziristan Agency (NWA) area of Dattakhel, Geo News reported Sunday.

At least two missiles were fired at a house in Dattakhel area of Inzar, where casualties occurred, the sources told.

The sources said the fatalities are feared to increase.

The drone attack site is 26 km from the NWA capital Miranshah. According to Geo News, two drones are still making low flights in the area.

According to the Geo News correspondent, the identities of the deceased are not yet confirmed whether they were extremists or innocent people.
 
US drone attacks kill 8 in NWA: officials
Updated at: 0800 PST, Tuesday, May 11, 2010


MIRANSHAH: US drones fired a barrage of 18 missiles into a compound in country’s restive northwestern tribal belt early Tuesday, killing at least eight militants and injuring another five, security officials said.

The strike hit the Lawara Mandi area, located close to the border with Afghanistan in North Waziristan Agecny, which has become a bastion of Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked militants.

"Five US drones fired 18 missiles, killing eight militants. They targeted a compound and vehicles parked outside the house," one senior Pakistani security official told media on condition of anonymity.

"We fear the death toll may rise," the official added. Local security officials also confirmed the details of the strike.

US drone attacks kill 8 in NWA: officials
 
US drone attack kills 14 in Pakistan: Officials

MIRANSHAH, Pakistan: US drones fired a barrage of 12 missiles, destroying a training camp for Islamist fighters in Pakistan's tribal belt and killing 14 militants on Tuesday, security officials said.

It was the second strike in the same mountainous area close to the Afghan border since Sunday, when the United States accused the Pakistani Taliban of being behind a plot to detonate a car bomb in Times Square 10 days ago.

The training camp was run by militants attached to Taliban-linked Afghan warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadur, who is reputed to control up to 2,000 fighters who attack US-led forces over the border in Afghanistan, officials said.

The compound was in the Lowara Mandi area of North Waziristan district, seen as a fortress of Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants in Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal badlands.

"According to the latest reports we have, a total of 14 militants were killed. They targeted a compound and vehicles parked outside the house," one senior Pakistani security official said on condition of anonymity.

Pakistani officials earlier put the death toll at six, saying that US drones carried out a series of strikes on the compound, firing at least 12 missiles.

The nationalities of the dead were not immediately clear, nor was there any information on any possible high-value targets.

A local official described the training camp at Inzarkas village as a collection of temporary mud-brick homes about 50 kilometres (30 miles) west of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan.

The botched May 1 New York bomb plot, which US officials say Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan helped facilitate, has thrown the spotlight on Islamist militant networks dug into the tribal belt outside government control.

Washington has branded the rugged district a global headquarters of al-Qaida and the most dangerous place on earth, where officials say Islamist extremists hatch attacks on US-led troops fighting in Afghanistan and on cities abroad.

The covert US drone campaign in Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt killed Pakistani Taliban founder Baitullah Mehsud last August.

But the United States has now upped the pressure on Pakistan to crack down on Islamist havens along the Afghan border following the arrest of the New York bomb suspect, Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad, last week.

He was detained on board a plane as it was about to take off for Dubai and has reportedly told investigators he was trained in bomb-making in Waziristan.

General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Afghanistan, reportedly urged Pakistan's army chief to launch an operation in North Waziristan, where the United States has increased drone strikes significantly this year.

Pakistani military officials have not ruled out an offensive in North Waziristan, but argue that gains elsewhere need to be consolidated otherwise troops would be stretched too thin.

The United States said Monday it was satisfied with Pakistan's cooperation in the investigation of the Times Square bomb plot.

State department spokesman Philip Crowley said the Pakistani government had already acted aggressively against the Taliban and the United States would "evaluate whether additional steps" were necessary.

More than 900 people have been killed in nearly 100 drone strikes in Pakistan since August 2008. The bombing raids fuel anti-American sentiment in Muslim Pakistan and draw public condemnation from the government.

US drone attack kills 14 in Pakistan: Officials - Pakistan - World - The Times of India
 
US air campaign in Pakistan zeros in on North Waziristan, Bahadar

By Bill Roggio and Alexander Mayer, May 12, 2010 12:01 AM

The controversial US air campaign in Pakistan’s tribal areas has continued unabated in 2010, and is on track to exceed the number of strikes carried out in 2009. So far this year, the US has carried out 35 strikes, just 18 shy of the 2009 total. With six and a half months left in 2010, the 2009 total should be surpassed sometime in July at the current pace. The strikes continue to target top leaders of al Qaeda, the Taliban, and allied jihadist groups based in the tribal areas, as well as the jihadist infrastructure and operatives used to carry out attacks against the Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the West.

Some interesting trends have developed since the beginning of 2010. North Waziristan, the hub for the Taliban, al Qaeda and allied jihadists, has become the primary focal point of the attacks. More than half of the strikes have taken place in the tribal areas controlled by North Waziristan Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar, while attacks against the Haqqani Network’s sanctuaries have decreased. And the strikes continue to hit a wide variety of targets.

The shift in focus from South Waziristan to North Waziristan that began in September 2009 has continued, with 100 percent of the 35 strikes so far this year occurring in North Waziristan. Miramshah has been the most frequently targeted region within North Waziristan, accounting for nearly more than a third of all strikes so far this year, (13 of 35 strikes, or 37 percent). The Datta Khel region, a known haven for al Qaeda's military and command, is second on the targeting list, accounting for a quarter of the strikes (13 of 35 strikes, or 23 percent).

So far in 2010, more than half of the Predator strikes (19 of 35 Predator strikes, or 54 percent), have hit targets in territory controlled by Hafiz Gul Bahadar, far more than any other Taliban commander. Looking at the last 10 strikes, eight of those have taken place in Bahadar's areas. And the last seven strikes have hit targets in Bahadar's areas. The concentrated focus on Bahadar represents a significant shift in targeting priorities -- prior to 2010, Bahadar's territory had only been targeted four times in the past 5 years. At the end of 2009, the Haqqani Network was the primary focus of US strikes in Pakistan.

January 2010 saw the largest number of strikes since program began in 2004

The 11 strikes in January 2010 represented the highest single-month total in terms of frequency of Predator strikes since the program began in 2004, surpassing the 10 strikes that occurred in October 2008. The strikes were ramped up after a Jordanian al Qaeda operative and double agent carried out a suicide attack at Combat Outpost Chapman in Afghanistan's Khost province in late December 2009. The bomber killed seven CIA officials, including the station chief, and a Jordanian intelligence officer.

After the Dec. 30 suicide attack, the US hunted Hakeemullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, who took shelter in North Waziristan. Hakeemullah appeared with the Jordanian suicide bomber on a martyrdom tape that was released shortly after the attack. Hakeemullah was rumored to have been killed in a strike on Jan. 14, but he later appeared on a videotape that was produced on April 19 and released on May 2, just one day after the failed car bombing in Times Square, New York City. On the tape, Hakeemullah threatened to carry out attacks inside the US.

Over the past year, 20 top Taliban and al Qaeda leaders and operatives have been killed (between April 1, 2009 and April 1, 2010) by Predator strikes in Pakistan. This accounts for 44 percent of the total High Value Targets confirmed to have been killed since 2004. Among those killed since April 1, 2009 include: Abdullah Said al Libi, the top commander of the Shadow Army; Zuhaib al Zahib, a senior commander in the Shadow Army; Saleh al Somali, the leader of al Qaeda's external network; Qari Mohammad Zafar, a leader of the al Qaeda and Taliban-linked Fedayeen-i-Islam; Mansur al Shami, an al Qaeda ideologue and aide to al Qaeda’s leader in Afghanistan, Mustafa Abu Yazid; Haji Omar Khan, a senior Taliban leader in North Waziristan; Mohammed Haqqani, a military commander in the Haqqani Network and brother of Siraj; and Sheikh Mansoor, an al Qaeda Shadow Army commander [see LWJ report, “Senior al Qaeda and Taliban leaders killed in US airstrikes in Pakistan, 2004 – 2010” for the full list of leaders and operatives killed].

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