US declassifies its strategy to use India against China

[GumNaam]

japan & australia amomg others have already said no to america's bait to turn em into sacrificial lambs against China by entering into the largest free trade agreement with China. india is the only monkey that fell for the bait and is now paying the price for it every day.

 

[bshifter]

Even China needs allies, and thats saying something what its trying to do right now, right now you trying to get allies far overseas. Its options are limited close to home so far with South Korea, Japan, Philippines, etc. North Korea would be the only one besides Russia.

You must be confused with America. China never used allies to attack nor tried to contain another country. Like i said US is not that mighty as you or the average dumb people around the world want us to believe. China has 14 neighbors only India is willing to play along with US. In your pal Hamartia's own words: who gives a f..k about India? which he considers as a backward country. None of the bordering countries want to host US military, not even Communist Vietnam. America can only beg India to do some fist fighting, enough said. US couldn't even push Philippines, South Korea or Japan to war with China. These countries are smarter than you. I'm glad you admit that America is nothing without allies, that's how it attack the Middle East. Weakling shouldn't be bragging about being a world power. China and Russia earn more respect in this regard.

 

[PeaceGen]

It paints a cold picture of how the US seeks to use its South-East Asian allies to contend with China and North Korea.
The United States government has declassified its 2018 Indo-Pacific strategy for unknown reasons, although it was initially set to be released to the public at the end of 2042. Over the last three years, this National Security Council strategy has guided American manoeuvres and policy in a region extending from the United State’s Pacific Coast all the way to India. At its heart, the strategy reveals a deep concern with China’s rising influence in the Western and Central Pacific. It also highlights plans to deal with an increasingly belligerent North Korea, while seeking to strengthen India to counter Chinese military power.

The strategy was initially devised throughout 2017, going on to be approved and enforced by President Donald Trump in 2018 shortly after the US National Defense Strategy was finalised.

US, Indian, and Japanese carriers sailing together in Malabar exercise, 2017. (US Navy)
While the strategy’s actual authors are not credited in the document, much of the document accurately reflects the White House’s actions in the region for the last three years. Most interestingly, it summarizes US interests in the region, as seen in the following segment:

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The strategy goes on to share rare insights into how the US perceives its opponents and allies in the region, specifically India, China and North Korea.

China enjoys growing dominance in the Indo-Pacific, something US strategists continue to take note of. Specifically, this has led to a recognition that China is the United State’s primary adversary and strategic opponent in the area.

The strategy dives into how to maintain the US strategic edge “and promote a liberal economic order while preventing China from establishing new, illiberal spheres of influence, and cultivating areas of cooperation to promote regional peace and prosperity.” It also emphasizes that “China will circumvent international rules and norms to gain an advantage” in a strategic face-off between the two powers.

While the strategy doesn’t specifically mention the paths China follows to further its dominance in the region, it does cite China’s increasing use of “digital surveillance, information controls, and influence operations [that] will damage U.S. efforts to promote our values and national interests,” not only in the Indo-Pacific but also within the Western hemisphere itself.

Parallel to the strategy, the US government and military have consistently sounded alarms over China’s expanding nuclear arsenal, long-range ballistic and cruise missile capabilities, and the resurgence of its naval fleet.

Source: International Institute for Strategic Studies ()
In 2020, an official Chinese Ministry of Defense video depicted an attack on a US airbase on the Western Pacific island of Guam.

So how does the US plan to counter China?

Broadly speaking, it aims to build US capabilities until they are “capable of, but not limited to” denying China control of the air and the sea in the “first island chain”, referring to a string of Pacific islands surrounding China that include Russia’s Kamchatka peninsula, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam. China claims most of these waters. Second, it emphasizes the strategy emphasizes the need to defend the first island chain, and dominate all areas outside it.

While the document does not mention the South China sea dispute, it reflects a concern over China’s claims there and in other parts of the Western Pacific.

The South China Sea and Western Pacific as a whole have seen a tremendous increase in Chinese military activity, but also activities by the US and its allies in the region.

Caption: In 2020, and for the first time since 2014, the US fielded two Nimitz class aircraft carriers and elements of their strike groups together in the South China Sea (United States Navy)
The strategy espoused by the Trump administration has arguably led to the worst deterioration in US-China ties in recent history, triggering an ongoing trade war, and US commitment to defence of Taiwan by approving large defence deals with the island nation. On top of Trump blaming China for the covid-19 global pandemic and accusing it of mismanaging the outbreak, Trump has fostered deeper ties with Taiwan that go beyond arms deals and include military capacity building and reinforced diplomatic ties.

Nuke kid on the block

After identifying China as a primary strategic concern, the strategy turns its attention to North Korea. Threatened by its multiple missile launches in 2017 including one missile that flew over Japan, the strategy acknowledges the rapid technological advances North Korea realized in its missile technology.


The strategy distinctly states that North Korea’s “stated intention of subjugating South Korea,” taken with its nuclear missiles, “pose a grave threat to the US . . . and our allies.”

But unacknowledged by the strategy was Trump’s aggressive stance against North Korea in 2017 well before the strategy was approved. At one point, this included an implicit threat to use nuclear weapons on North Korea. The strategy in question was formed as US-North Korea ties moved towards a pause leading to a meeting between Kim Jong Un and US President Trump, and an easing of ties between North and South Korea.

North Korea State News ()
The 2018 document also tactically identifies Japan and South Korea as partners that can play a key role in fulfilling US objectives pertaining to North Korea. Specifically, these are summarized as not only removing its nuclear capability, but eliminating cyber and biological weapons from its arsenal. How? By helping both South Korea and Japan gain access to “advanced military capabilities”, and strengthening their bilateral ties. Other more specific details and initiatives are redacted.

But at the center of the US approach to North Korea is convincing its regime “that the only path to its survival is to relinquish its nuclear weapons.” To achieve this, the strategy opts for putting North Korea under economic, diplomatic, military, and legal pressure. Negotiations are presented as a last resort.

This also reflects the approach taken by Bill Burns, President-elect Biden’s nominee for next director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1348797439667531776

Allied India

India features prominently in US strategic plans for the region. Specifically, the strategy seeks to build a “quadrilateral security framework with India, Japan, Australia” and the US. The four-cornered strategy wants to use “a strong India” to “counterbalance China.”

This comes after pointing out that India is already able to “counter border provocations by China.” It should be noted that the strategy was passed before India-China skirmishes in the Doklam region.

Interestingly, the strategy makes no mention of Pakistan at all in spite of its close ties to China. It further defines a key need to “accelerate India’s rise and capacity to serve as a net provider of security and Major Defense Partner; solidify an enduring strategic partnership with India underpinned by a strong Indian military able to effectively collaborate with the United States and our partners in the region to address shared interests.”

India’s aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya and a US guided-missile destroyer carrying out joint-maneuvers in the Malabar 2020 exercise held in the Indian Ocean. (US Navy)
Reflecting this, the US Navy has advocated creating a new naval command exclusively for the Indian Ocean and close-by areas of the pacific. With the expiration of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, the US has also assessed different locations in South East Asia to position long-range missile forces that would be able to counter China’s own strategic missiles.

Meanwhile, India continues to enjoy large defence procurements from the US, including the F-21 fighter jet. Others have indicated this could be a form of induction to bring India into the F-35 stealth fighter program.

Dreams to dust

In spite of its bold efforts, much of the strategy’s ambitious objectives have yet to be fulfilled. Chinese power remains on the rise in the region. More critically, efforts to remove nuclear weapons from North Korea have also failed.

But that’s not to say that the strategy went entirely unfulfilled. The US Navy is set to create a new fleet to cover the Western Pacific. ‘Freedom of Navigation’ deployments to the region are increasing, along with the major US efforts to arm Taiwan.

While the strategy reflects Trump’s legacy, it’s approach may still shape coming US strategy as Biden’s new administration seeks to contend with China and North Korea.

US declassifies its strategy to use India against China

It paints a cold picture of how the US seeks to use its South-East Asian allies to contend with China and North Korea.

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China's sense of pride is costing the world dearly in the form of new arms races.
Such a shame.

US can not even bring its closest ally Europe to fall in line.

and who would that be then?

 

[Oldman1]

You must be confused with America. China never used allies to attack nor tried to contain another country. Like i said US is not that mighty as you or the average dumb people around the world want us to believe. China has 14 neighbors only India is willing to play along with US. In your pal Hamartia's own words: who gives a f..k about India? which he considers as a backward country. None of the bordering countries want to host US military, not even Communist Vietnam. America can only beg India to do some fist fighting, enough said. US couldn't even push Philippines, South Korea or Japan to war with China. These countries are smarter than you. I'm glad you admit that America is nothing without allies, that's how it attack the Middle East. Weakling shouldn't be bragging about being a world power. China and Russia earn more respect in this regard.

China used allies to attack other nations. You have North Korea for example when China encouraged it to invade South Korea. And also you tried to intimidate South Korea from using THAAD but failed. You think the U.S. is afraid to fight wars, but maybe the war in Vietnam taught China a lesson and haven't fought any conflicts since. Maybe you respect Vietnam more than you think.

 

[bshifter]

China used allies to attack other nations. You have North Korea for example when China encouraged it to invade South Korea. And also you tried to intimidate South Korea from using THAAD but failed. You think the U.S. is afraid to fight wars, but maybe the war in Vietnam taught China a lesson and haven't fought any conflicts since. Maybe you respect Vietnam more than you think.

Your constant lies does not work. Why keep humiliating yourself? Do you enjoy it that much how others lecture you some historical lessons? You have some thick face like those Indians.

First of all China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea. Who are you trying to fool with this nonsense, not only don't you have any single proof there's no documentation supporting this silly propaganda of yours. It was Kim Il Sung who wanted to unite with the South and sought the permission and encouragement from Stalin which he got. READ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_il_sung#Korean_War (now you look like a complete idiot in front of everybody) There goes your BS of China using allies to launch wars against other nations.

Secondly I don't see what is wrong with China's response to South Korea when it was pointing those missiles at China and Russia. You might want to tell us what US did to threaten Cuba during the missile crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Blockade

China's reaction was hurting South Korean business and tourism, nothing militarily in nature unlike US.

Yes the US is afraid to fight wars against capable opponents. Everybody knows the US like to fight wars against nations who can't fight back. That's why US has not escalated to invade North Korea, Iran. US couldn't even invade Venezuela because that would cause a huge international backlash from the global community. US is just a coward dragging other countries to join him to invade other countries.

As i remember the US said it would never allow North Korea to develop nukes, big talk for a coward. Why US allowed it anyway? The forgotten war suddenly came back to haunt US psyche and unsurprisingly it was unforgotten. The experience was so humiliating to Americans it was in the best interest better allow North Korea to have nukes rather than getting humiliated again because a 2nd Korean War would mean complete defeat for the US because no 15 countries will be aiding US in front of a much more powerful North Korea this time with the help of super power China who we agreed to help should it get attacked. That is what scared the sheeeeeeeet out of America. Deal with it.

 

[Oldman1]

Your constant lies does not work. Why keep humiliating yourself? Do you enjoy it that much how others lecture you some historical lessons? You have some thick face like those Indians.

First of all China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea. Who are you trying to fool with this nonsense, not only don't you have any single proof there's no documentation supporting this silly propaganda of yours. It was Kim Il Sung who wanted to unite with the South and sought the permission and encouragement from Stalin which he got. READ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_il_sung#Korean_War (now you look like a complete idiot in front of everybody) There goes your BS of China using allies to launch wars against other nations.

LOL! You think China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea? You are the one who is lying or just ignorant. Here are some research.

https://digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2803&context=gradschool_theses

Mao Zedong grossly underestimated the American commitment to contain Communist aggression while exaggerating both the abilities of the NKPA and the commitment of the Soviet Union to provide assistance in the event of an extended conflict. Chinaís errors would result in economic stagnation and political isolation from the West, as it found itself bogged down in an extended war of attrition with the United States.

Kim Il Sung traveled to Beijing in mid-May for talks with Mao Zedong. When Kim informed Mao of his intention to reunify Korea by force, Mao objected to the timing of Kimís proposed action and attempted to dissuade him from conducting operations until the Chinese had concluded their civil war. But Mao was unable to cite a valid reason for withholding Chinese support.45 Since the Communist Chinese were currently engaged in actively reunifying China, it was impossible to deny the same opportunity to North Korea. This was a fact known to the North Koreans and they used it to secure Maoís approval.46
Secondly I don't see what is wrong with China's response to South Korea when it was pointing those missiles at China and Russia. You might want to tell us what US did to threaten Cuba during the missile crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Blockade

Mao dismissed the significance of possible American intervention. ìAs regards the Americans, there is no need to be afraid of them,î he remarked to Kim in May 1950. ìThe Americans will not enter a third world war for such a small territory.î47 Should the United States choose to intervene, Mao believed it would be impotent to affect the outcome of what promised to be a quick conquest of the Republic of Korea by the NKPA. Mao seems to have had little doubt that the Americans would be unable to react quickly enough to prevent the collapse of the ROKA. In effect, the United States would be presented with a fait accompli.

Facts also indicate that, contrary to Maoís claims, China was aware of Soviet-North Korean plans for the invasion of the ROK. Proof of Maoís knowledge lies in the circumstances surrounding the transfer of 23,000 Chinese troops of Korean descent, along with all of their equipment, to North Korea. On January 19, 1950, Kim requested that China return 14,000 of these troops and their equipment. Not only did China comply, but it also promised to send food aid and to transfer an army closer to the border in case of Japanese intervention.49 On January 19 Kim initiated the formal request and submitted it to China. The request was approved on January 22.50 According to Nie Rongzhen (Acting Chief of Staff and Army Marshal), he

Mao was the de facto power in the CCP. Therefore, it would not be possible for the CCP to approve this transfer or offer the additional assistance promised above without Maoís direct knowledge or concurrence. The unusual speed associated with the CCPís consideration and approval of the request also lends credence to the belief that Mao was aware of the intended purpose of the transfer. It is possible he sought to expedite matters in order to assist the NKPA in the integration of these troops. Whatever the reasons, it is clear Mao had chosen to support North Korea in its efforts at reunification.

Another source, Soviet telegram.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.

As the Korean divisions that were being referred to, are armed with Japanese weapons, Kim Il asked Mao Zedong whether the Chinese can later provide help with the ammunition, necessary for the aforementioned divisions. Mao Zedong replied that they manufacture ammunition and can give to the Korean as much as they need.

Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.

China's reaction was hurting South Korean business and tourism, nothing militarily in nature unlike US.

Nothing militarily? Maybe because you can't take on South Korea without fear of consequences.

Yes the US is afraid to fight wars against capable opponents. Everybody knows the US like to fight wars against nations who can't fight back. That's why US has not escalated to invade North Korea, Iran. US couldn't even invade Venezuela because that would cause a huge international backlash from the global community. US is just a coward dragging other countries to join him to invade other countries.

China can't fight wars against India or Vietnam after that fiasco when you invaded your own ally after just the end of the Vietnam War.

As i remember the US said it would never allow North Korea to develop nukes, big talk for a coward. Why US allowed it anyway? The forgotten war suddenly came back to haunt US psyche and unsurprisingly it was unforgotten. The experience was so humiliating to Americans it was in the best interest better allow North Korea to have nukes rather than getting humiliated again because a 2nd Korean War would mean complete defeat for the US because no 15 countries will be aiding US in front of a much more powerful North Korea this time with the help of super power China who we agreed to help should it get attacked. That is what scared the sheeeeeeeet out of America. Deal with it.

China failed to get South Korea to give up THAAD, so China is having nightmares having to deal with the limitations of their power.

 

[bshifter]

LOL! You think China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea? You are the one who is lying or just ignorant. Here are some research.

https://digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2803&context=gradschool_theses

Mao Zedong grossly underestimated the American commitment to contain Communist aggression while exaggerating both the abilities of the NKPA and the commitment of the Soviet Union to provide assistance in the event of an extended conflict. Chinaís errors would result in economic stagnation and political isolation from the West, as it found itself bogged down in an extended war of attrition with the United States.

Kim Il Sung traveled to Beijing in mid-May for talks with Mao Zedong. When Kim informed Mao of his intention to reunify Korea by force, Mao objected to the timing of Kimís proposed action and attempted to dissuade him from conducting operations until the Chinese had concluded their civil war. But Mao was unable to cite a valid reason for withholding Chinese support.45 Since the Communist Chinese were currently engaged in actively reunifying China, it was impossible to deny the same opportunity to North Korea. This was a fact known to the North Koreans and they used it to secure Maoís approval.46
Secondly I don't see what is wrong with China's response to South Korea when it was pointing those missiles at China and Russia. You might want to tell us what US did to threaten Cuba during the missile crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Blockade

Mao dismissed the significance of possible American intervention. ìAs regards the Americans, there is no need to be afraid of them,î he remarked to Kim in May 1950. ìThe Americans will not enter a third world war for such a small territory.î47 Should the United States choose to intervene, Mao believed it would be impotent to affect the outcome of what promised to be a quick conquest of the Republic of Korea by the NKPA. Mao seems to have had little doubt that the Americans would be unable to react quickly enough to prevent the collapse of the ROKA. In effect, the United States would be presented with a fait accompli.

Facts also indicate that, contrary to Maoís claims, China was aware of Soviet-North Korean plans for the invasion of the ROK. Proof of Maoís knowledge lies in the circumstances surrounding the transfer of 23,000 Chinese troops of Korean descent, along with all of their equipment, to North Korea. On January 19, 1950, Kim requested that China return 14,000 of these troops and their equipment. Not only did China comply, but it also promised to send food aid and to transfer an army closer to the border in case of Japanese intervention.49 On January 19 Kim initiated the formal request and submitted it to China. The request was approved on January 22.50 According to Nie Rongzhen (Acting Chief of Staff and Army Marshal), he

Mao was the de facto power in the CCP. Therefore, it would not be possible for the CCP to approve this transfer or offer the additional assistance promised above without Maoís direct knowledge or concurrence. The unusual speed associated with the CCPís consideration and approval of the request also lends credence to the belief that Mao was aware of the intended purpose of the transfer. It is possible he sought to expedite matters in order to assist the NKPA in the integration of these troops. Whatever the reasons, it is clear Mao had chosen to support North Korea in its efforts at reunification.

Another source, Soviet telegram.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.

As the Korean divisions that were being referred to, are armed with Japanese weapons, Kim Il asked Mao Zedong whether the Chinese can later provide help with the ammunition, necessary for the aforementioned divisions. Mao Zedong replied that they manufacture ammunition and can give to the Korean as much as they need.

Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.





Nothing militarily? Maybe because you can't take on South Korea without fear of consequences.



China can't fight wars against India or Vietnam after that fiasco when you invaded your own ally after just the end of the Vietnam War.



China failed to get South Korea to give up THAAD, so China is having nightmares having to deal with the limitations of their power.

A childish idiot applying the handle Oldman shows you are not that old in reality if you are then you are one heck of a senile Yankee. You used a source which said Kim Il Sung went to Beijing to discuss about unification plan with South Korea. Proofs my point that it wasn't China telling them to do it. Your accusation was China used other countries to attack others but could only find the Korean War as a poor example. Mao did not support the idea of Kim unifying with South Korea at that moment however Stalin did after a long time and are you going to accuse USSR of telling Kim Il Sung to start a war?

Terenty Shtykov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kim persistently lobbied the Soviets to support a Northern-led violent unification of the peninsula

America invaded Iraq and threatened other countries to join, Bush famously said "if you are not with us you are against us" , China has not fought a war in decades, it was you who said China use allies to invade countries remember? Don't try to talk your way out of this. I got you busted.

 

[master_13]

China used allies to attack other nations. You have North Korea for example when China encouraged it to invade South Korea. And also you tried to intimidate South Korea from using THAAD but failed. You think the U.S. is afraid to fight wars, but maybe the war in Vietnam taught China a lesson and haven't fought any conflicts since. Maybe you respect Vietnam more than you think.

you make it sounds like North Korea didn't want reunify back in the 50s, which was the real reason for the war. Intimidate South Korea after they put weapon at China's doorstep, who's intimidating who? Funny you bring up Vietnam, Vietnam lost multiple islands to China during that war, which Vietnam are still crying to this very day and china went all the way to Hanoi before retreating, if you call that loss, I'd take that loss every day of the week. China simply didn't fully achieve its objective of making Vietnam retreat from Cambodia, but China could of run over Vietnam any day if it really wanted to.

LOL! You think China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea? You are the one who is lying or just ignorant. Here are some research.

https://digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2803&context=gradschool_theses

Mao Zedong grossly underestimated the American commitment to contain Communist aggression while exaggerating both the abilities of the NKPA and the commitment of the Soviet Union to provide assistance in the event of an extended conflict. Chinaís errors would result in economic stagnation and political isolation from the West, as it found itself bogged down in an extended war of attrition with the United States.

Kim Il Sung traveled to Beijing in mid-May for talks with Mao Zedong. When Kim informed Mao of his intention to reunify Korea by force, Mao objected to the timing of Kimís proposed action and attempted to dissuade him from conducting operations until the Chinese had concluded their civil war. But Mao was unable to cite a valid reason for withholding Chinese support.45 Since the Communist Chinese were currently engaged in actively reunifying China, it was impossible to deny the same opportunity to North Korea. This was a fact known to the North Koreans and they used it to secure Maoís approval.46
Secondly I don't see what is wrong with China's response to South Korea when it was pointing those missiles at China and Russia. You might want to tell us what US did to threaten Cuba during the missile crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Blockade

Mao dismissed the significance of possible American intervention. ìAs regards the Americans, there is no need to be afraid of them,î he remarked to Kim in May 1950. ìThe Americans will not enter a third world war for such a small territory.î47 Should the United States choose to intervene, Mao believed it would be impotent to affect the outcome of what promised to be a quick conquest of the Republic of Korea by the NKPA. Mao seems to have had little doubt that the Americans would be unable to react quickly enough to prevent the collapse of the ROKA. In effect, the United States would be presented with a fait accompli.

Facts also indicate that, contrary to Maoís claims, China was aware of Soviet-North Korean plans for the invasion of the ROK. Proof of Maoís knowledge lies in the circumstances surrounding the transfer of 23,000 Chinese troops of Korean descent, along with all of their equipment, to North Korea. On January 19, 1950, Kim requested that China return 14,000 of these troops and their equipment. Not only did China comply, but it also promised to send food aid and to transfer an army closer to the border in case of Japanese intervention.49 On January 19 Kim initiated the formal request and submitted it to China. The request was approved on January 22.50 According to Nie Rongzhen (Acting Chief of Staff and Army Marshal), he

Mao was the de facto power in the CCP. Therefore, it would not be possible for the CCP to approve this transfer or offer the additional assistance promised above without Maoís direct knowledge or concurrence. The unusual speed associated with the CCPís consideration and approval of the request also lends credence to the belief that Mao was aware of the intended purpose of the transfer. It is possible he sought to expedite matters in order to assist the NKPA in the integration of these troops. Whatever the reasons, it is clear Mao had chosen to support North Korea in its efforts at reunification.

Another source, Soviet telegram.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.

As the Korean divisions that were being referred to, are armed with Japanese weapons, Kim Il asked Mao Zedong whether the Chinese can later provide help with the ammunition, necessary for the aforementioned divisions. Mao Zedong replied that they manufacture ammunition and can give to the Korean as much as they need.

Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.





Nothing militarily? Maybe because you can't take on South Korea without fear of consequences.



China can't fight wars against India or Vietnam after that fiasco when you invaded your own ally after just the end of the Vietnam War.



China failed to get South Korea to give up THAAD, so China is having nightmares having to deal with the limitations of their power.

India can't even take on Pakistan, and you Indian can somehow take on China? LMAO. Without US helping you, China can blow you Indian out of the water, easy. Even your nukes are several megaton smaller than Chinese nukes, LOL. Sure, South Korea didn't give up THAAD after US pressure, but the currently president made it clearly there will be no more weapons stationed in SK targeting china, which is a great win for china. It's funny you bring up Vietnam, when that little country lost multiple islands to china and still crying to this very day. Also, according to your logic, US must be afraid of Vietnam because they lost the war in Vietnam. US, like China, could of run over Vietnam if they really wanted dedicate resources to win the war. Nonetheless, even Pakistan can give you a good beating, and somehow you think you can take on china, Come back when you are even on par with Pakistan, before you can talk about taking on china, china is miles ahead of you. LMAO.

 

[Nan Yang]

LOL! You think China never encouraged North Korea to invade South Korea? You are the one who is lying or just ignorant. Here are some research.

https://digitalcommons.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2803&context=gradschool_theses

Mao Zedong grossly underestimated the American commitment to contain Communist aggression while exaggerating both the abilities of the NKPA and the commitment of the Soviet Union to provide assistance in the event of an extended conflict. Chinaís errors would result in economic stagnation and political isolation from the West, as it found itself bogged down in an extended war of attrition with the United States.

Kim Il Sung traveled to Beijing in mid-May for talks with Mao Zedong. When Kim informed Mao of his intention to reunify Korea by force, Mao objected to the timing of Kimís proposed action and attempted to dissuade him from conducting operations until the Chinese had concluded their civil war. But Mao was unable to cite a valid reason for withholding Chinese support.45 Since the Communist Chinese were currently engaged in actively reunifying China, it was impossible to deny the same opportunity to North Korea. This was a fact known to the North Koreans and they used it to secure Maoís approval.46
Secondly I don't see what is wrong with China's response to South Korea when it was pointing those missiles at China and Russia. You might want to tell us what US did to threaten Cuba during the missile crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis#Blockade

Mao dismissed the significance of possible American intervention. ìAs regards the Americans, there is no need to be afraid of them,î he remarked to Kim in May 1950. ìThe Americans will not enter a third world war for such a small territory.î47 Should the United States choose to intervene, Mao believed it would be impotent to affect the outcome of what promised to be a quick conquest of the Republic of Korea by the NKPA. Mao seems to have had little doubt that the Americans would be unable to react quickly enough to prevent the collapse of the ROKA. In effect, the United States would be presented with a fait accompli.

Facts also indicate that, contrary to Maoís claims, China was aware of Soviet-North Korean plans for the invasion of the ROK. Proof of Maoís knowledge lies in the circumstances surrounding the transfer of 23,000 Chinese troops of Korean descent, along with all of their equipment, to North Korea. On January 19, 1950, Kim requested that China return 14,000 of these troops and their equipment. Not only did China comply, but it also promised to send food aid and to transfer an army closer to the border in case of Japanese intervention.49 On January 19 Kim initiated the formal request and submitted it to China. The request was approved on January 22.50 According to Nie Rongzhen (Acting Chief of Staff and Army Marshal), he

Mao was the de facto power in the CCP. Therefore, it would not be possible for the CCP to approve this transfer or offer the additional assistance promised above without Maoís direct knowledge or concurrence. The unusual speed associated with the CCPís consideration and approval of the request also lends credence to the belief that Mao was aware of the intended purpose of the transfer. It is possible he sought to expedite matters in order to assist the NKPA in the integration of these troops. Whatever the reasons, it is clear Mao had chosen to support North Korea in its efforts at reunification.

Another source, Soviet telegram.

Wilson Center Digital Archive

In Beijing Kim Il had four meetings with Zhu De and Zhou Enlai and one meeting with Mao Zedong. Kim Il passed on to Mao Zedong a letter from the CC of the Korean Workers’ Party with the request, in case it becomes necessary, to transfer Korean divisions that a part of the PLA to the Korean government.

Mao Zedong replied that from the three Korean divisions that are a part of the PLA, two divisions are located in Mukden and Changchun, and one division is involved in the offensive operations. Mao Zedong stated that they are prepared at any time to transfer two divisions, located in Manchuria, to the Korean government, completely armed. The third division can be returned from the South only after the end of the fighting but no earlier than in a month’s time. At the same time Mao Zedong warned Kim Il that the aforesaid divisions, as well as their entire army, are not regulars, and are poorly prepared in military terms. He recommended the Koreans to begin military training of the officer corps of these divisions.

As the Korean divisions that were being referred to, are armed with Japanese weapons, Kim Il asked Mao Zedong whether the Chinese can later provide help with the ammunition, necessary for the aforementioned divisions. Mao Zedong replied that they manufacture ammunition and can give to the Korean as much as they need.

Mao Zedong and Zhu De asked in detail about the situation in Korea. Mao Zedong said that Korea could see military action at any moment; Kim Il Sung must take this into account and thoroughly prepare.

In Korea, the war can be of the lightning or the protracted type. A protracted war, Mao Zedong said, it not in your interest, because in this case the Japanese may get involved and provide aid to the South Korean “government.” You don’t need to worry: next to you are the Soviet Union and we in Manchuria. In case it becomes necessary, we can through a few Chinese soldiers over to you; they are all black-[haired], no one will make them out, added Mao Zedong.





Nothing militarily? Maybe because you can't take on South Korea without fear of consequences.



China can't fight wars against India or Vietnam after that fiasco when you invaded your own ally after just the end of the Vietnam War.



China failed to get South Korea to give up THAAD, so China is having nightmares having to deal with the limitations of their power.

Stop spreading mis information.
Gosh....Kim Il Song did not even tell Mao of his plans to invade the South. Its was only after he got the go ahead from Stalin that only he went to tell Mao. It was all between Stalin and Kim.

Mao had just inherited a bankrupt and devastated China. He main priority was to reunite Taiwan and the long task to rebuilt China. Why in the world would he want to start a war in China's North East that has nothing to do with China's sovereignty.

 

[Oldman1]

Stop spreading mis information.
Gosh....Kim Il Song did not even tell Mao of his plans to invade the South. Its was only after he got the go ahead from Stalin that only he went to tell Mao. It was all between Stalin and Kim.

Mao had just inherited a bankrupt and devastated China. He main priority was to reunite Taiwan and the long task to rebuilt China. Why in the world would he want to start a war in China's North East that has nothing to do with China's sovereignty.

Wait you are contradicting yourself, Kim didn't tell Mao his plans to invade South, but tells him afterwards after talking to Stalin, but Mao still supports the invasion. In other words, Mao knows it and supports it.

 

[maverick1977]

learn from pakistan, if u toe another countries policies, u get hurt for a long period of time..

 

[Oldman1]

you make it sounds like North Korea didn't want reunify back in the 50s, which was the real reason for the war. Intimidate South Korea after they put weapon at China's doorstep, who's intimidating who? Funny you bring up Vietnam, Vietnam lost multiple islands to China during that war, which Vietnam are still crying to this very day and china went all the way to Hanoi before retreating, if you call that loss, I'd take that loss every day of the week. China simply didn't fully achieve its objective of making Vietnam retreat from Cambodia, but China could of run over Vietnam any day if it really wanted to.

If China can't achieve that goal forcing Vietnam retreat from Cambodia then something was wrong because taking over Hanoi didn't force them to retreat. Taking over the capitol doesn't end the war as history has shown that.

India can't even take on Pakistan, and you Indian can somehow take on China? LMAO. Without US helping you, China can blow you Indian out of the water, easy. Even your nukes are several megaton smaller than Chinese nukes, LOL. Sure, South Korea didn't give up THAAD after US pressure, but the currently president made it clearly there will be no more weapons stationed in SK targeting china, which is a great win for china. It's funny you bring up Vietnam, when that little country lost multiple islands to china and still crying to this very day. Also, according to your logic, US must be afraid of Vietnam because they lost the war in Vietnam. US, like China, could of run over Vietnam if they really wanted dedicate resources to win the war. Nonetheless, even Pakistan can give you a good beating, and somehow you think you can take on china, Come back when you are even on par with Pakistan, before you can talk about taking on china, china is miles ahead of you. LMAO.

There already enough weapons in South Korea so it doesn't matter and since there are U.S. troops in SK its a lose lose situation for China who has to contend with THAAD which they tried and failed to punish SK. And if you think you can punish India, why don't you shoot instead of doing hand to hand combat and no weapons allowed then?

 

[Oldman1]

A childish idiot applying the handle Oldman shows you are not that old in reality if you are then you are one heck of a senile Yankee. You used a source which said Kim Il Sung went to Beijing to discuss about unification plan with South Korea. Proofs my point that it wasn't China telling them to do it. Your accusation was China used other countries to attack others but could only find the Korean War as a poor example. Mao did not support the idea of Kim unifying with South Korea at that moment however Stalin did after a long time and are you going to accuse USSR of telling Kim Il Sung to start a war?

Terenty Shtykov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kim persistently lobbied the Soviets to support a Northern-led violent unification of the peninsula

America invaded Iraq and threatened other countries to join, Bush famously said "if you are not with us you are against us" , China has not fought a war in decades, it was you who said China use allies to invade countries remember? Don't try to talk your way out of this. I got you busted.

Mao supported it when he transferred 3 divisions of troops of Korean decent to help invade South Korea. He didn't even hesitate it. Only thing was the timing when China was in the midst of a civil war. And remember that Stalin was also informed of the plans of the invasion and supported as well, didn't even hesitate. China hasn't fought a war in decades because you've learned not to repeat your mistakes especially during your fight against Vietnam.

 

[Nan Yang]

Wait you are contradicting yourself, Kim didn't tell Mao his plans to invade South, but tells him afterwards after talking to Stalin, but Mao still supports the invasion. In other words, Mao knows it and supports it.

Stop arguing from the fringes. The big elephant in the room is that Kim ploted and planned with Stalin before even telling Mao.

Go research the declassified information that was passed to South Korea.

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MOSCOW (AP) _ Two American historians said Wednesday they have found proof in newly opened Soviet archives that Josef Stalin approved the North Korean attack that began the Korean War in 1950.

Western historians have long suspected that the Soviet dictator authorized the invasion.

Kathryn Weathersby of Florida State University and David Holloway of Stanford University said the proof came in a newly declassified report that was prepared by the Soviet foreign ministry for Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev in 1966.

According to the report, Stalin gave North Korean leader Kim Il Sung permission for the invasion during meetings in Moscow in March and April 1950.

Soviet military advisers then helped to draft the battle plans, and Stalin ″gave orders that all of Kim’s desires for weapons and equipment should be met quickly,″ Holloway said.

 

[Oldman1]

Stop arguing from the fringes. The big elephant in the room is that Kim ploted and planned with Stalin before even telling Mao.

Go research the declassified information that was passed to South Korea.

Whether its before or after Stalin was informed, Mao still supported the invasion.