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Local government purchases appear to make up for lost sales


TOKYO -- One would assume that American trade sanctions imposed on Huawei Technologies would have been a heavy blow to U.S. chip-design software providers. Yet, earnings reports of such U.S. companies show no sign of a slowdown.

Synopsys and Cadence Design Systems, the two American companies that form a virtual global oligopoly with Siemens unit Mentor Graphics, have enjoyed uninterrupted success in China, selling to non-Huawei clients.

"Growth continues well in China," Synopsys Chairman and co-CEO Aart de Geus said during a May 20 earnings call. "Actually, growth continues overall in the world, but China particularly."

The company has "learned how to live without" companies listed in the so-called entity list, he said, which restricts business with the likes of Huawei.

Cadence reported $83.8 million in sales to China during the January-March quarter, accounting for 13% of overall sales. That marks an 80% jump from the same quarter in 2018, the first year Cadence disclosed those figures, although the company has ceased trading with Huawei.

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Huawei has enlisted subsidiary HiSilicon to develop chips for telecommunication equipment. (Photo by Shuhei Yamada)

The U.S. Department of Commerce enacted export controls against Huawei in May 2019. Companies are not permitted to deliver American equipment and software to the Chinese telecommunications equipment giant without a license.

The electronic design automation software that Synopsys and Cadence offer are indispensable tools that chip designers rely on to draw blueprints of next generation processors. The advanced technology has created a high barrier to entry, and no substitute supplier from China has emerged.

Huawei's strategy was to have subsidiary HiSilicon Technologies develop the semiconductors needed for its fifth-generation telecom equipment. The need for Huawei to be self-sufficient became increasingly clear after Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. ceased taking chipmaking orders from the client, in accordance with further tightened U.S. restrictions.

But despite such troubles at Huawei, American EDA software providers look to be doing just fine.

Stepping in to fill the void is China's local public sector.

"Mass purchases of EDA software by Chinese regional governments should be noted," said Koki Inoue, principal researcher at the Economic Research Institute of the Japan Society for the Promotion of Machine Industry.

Investment companies headed by local authorities have poured resources into developing fabless semiconductor producers. These enterprises are believed to number nearly 500 across the country.

Inoue's research shows a surge in local government purchases of EDA software, which then is used by the fabless makers. For Synopsys and Cadence, this looks to have been more than enough to offset the loss of sales to HiSilicon.

"A number of companies have picked up very quickly where others could not develop themselves," de Geus said at the Synopsys earnings conference, without elaborating.

Is Huawei using these companies to develop the chips that HiSilicon can no longer create? It is not clear.

But Inoue throws up a hypothesis.

"If HiSilicon dispatches engineers, a small company can re-create a development environment on par with HiSilicon," he said.
 
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Missing the keyword, "for now". As US vendors can no longer be considered as reliable partners, Chinese company will naturally want to look for alternatives for their own survival.
 
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Missing the keyword, "for now". As US vendors can no longer be considered as reliable partners, Chinese company will naturally want to look for alternatives for their own survival.
That is the keyword. Is really bad position for companies to be in that the only thing that they can offer is that there is not alternative for their products. Praying every single day that a company or a startup don't rise with a good alternative and eat your market share like kids in a candy store.
But let see, those companies are not going to let lose a market that size just because the Neocon brigade want to,so is possible that they set China only R&D centers to develop for Chinese market at the cost of engineering jobs back in California.
 
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Missing the keyword, "for now". As US vendors can no longer be considered as reliable partners, Chinese company will naturally want to look for alternatives for their own survival.

Rather than "for now" its just "only right now"

They just picked some convenient quarter to compare for that story.
Last quarter Cadence sales to China were down 22% compared to the same period in 2018.
Obviously you wont hear the mouthbreathers who just consume low brow headlines and have no actual stake in this business gloat about that. This is not a longterm outlook.

Same bullshit framing as headlining Huaweis compareable longterm growth as a "loss" by comparing it to old forcasts predicting even higher growth and stable or growing sales with excuses like never ending "frontloading"
 
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Rather than "for now" its just "only right now"

They just picked some convenient quarter to compare for that story.
Last quarter Cadence sales to China were down 22% compared to the same period in 2018.
Obviously you wont hear the mouthbreathers who just consume low brow headlines and have no actual stake in this business gloat about that. This is not a longterm outlook.

Same bullshit framing as headlining Huaweis compareable longterm growth as a "loss" by comparing it to old forcasts predicting even higher growth and stable or growing sales with excuses like never ending "frontloading"

He has no background in the semiconductor industry. If he was Chinese gambit would be all over his *** on inaccuracies but since he's a white American, gambit is absolutely silent.
 
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Looks like that the average gringo is pretty happy selling high tech to China, pretty different from the voices of some people in the White House. Be careful the FBI may accuse you of tech theft.

As usual the Chinese can't even build a chip to run a car and are again reliant on the US.
Tesla looked at NVIDIA and said it wasn't good enough and DESIGNED their own from scratch.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sla-built-best-chip-in-the-world-drops-nvidia
Elon Musk Boasts Tesla Built the ‘Best Chip in the World,’ Drops Nvidia

Meanwhile the Chinese do a "Oh no Oh no what do I do?...what do I do? OMG! We need American tech again!!"" Build it from scratch...no. Trust a Chinese designed chip for something critical..no. Trust American tech...yep.
 
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As usual the Chinese can't even build a chip to run a car and are again reliant on the US.
Tesla looked at NVIDIA and said it wasn't good enough and DESIGNED their own from scratch.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sla-built-best-chip-in-the-world-drops-nvidia
Elon Musk Boasts Tesla Built the ‘Best Chip in the World,’ Drops Nvidia

Meanwhile the Chinese do a "Oh no Oh no what do I do?...what do I do? OMG! We need American tech again!!"" Build it from scratch...no. Trust a Chinese designed chip for something critical..no. Trust American tech...yep.

Meanwhile Audi uses Huawei Ascend.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/huawei-and-audi-partner-on-intelligent-self-driving/
 
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But you should be mad that they are buying your tech. Is not that what your leaders want? You should be cheerleading for total export embargo on tech to China, but here you are happy every time they buy your tech.

Elon Musk is a moron, the real kicker of Nvidia is not their performance but their framework which is really good and easy to use, is very cost effective to use Nvidia.
This car is suing Huawei AI chips.
A lot of companies in China are have or are developing their own AI chips from Baidu to Alibaba. Cambricon are doing chips the rival Nvidia in performance in AI but the real kicker of Nvidia is their framework which is really easy to use. The real problem of the Chinese is not that they lack technical capabilities but is the complacency of some of their companies that instead of doing the hard work of creating a local semiconductor ecosystem they have go the easy route to become dependent on a product that maybe is not going to be there in the future.
 
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But you should be mad that they are buying your tech. Is not that what your leaders want? You should be cheerleading for total export embargo on tech to China, but here you are happy every time they buy your tech.

Elon Musk is a moron, the real kicker of Nvidia is not their performance but their framework which is really good and easy to use, is very cost effective to use Nvidia.
This car is suing Huawei AI chips.
A lot of companies in China are have or are developing their own AI chips from Baidu to Alibaba. Cambricon are doing chips the rival Nvidia in performance in AI but the real kicker of Nvidia is their framework which is really easy to use. The real problem of the Chinese is not that they lack technical capabilities but is the complacency of some of their companies that instead of doing the hard work of creating a local semiconductor ecosystem they have go the easy route to become dependent on a product that maybe is not going to be there in the future.

Not sure why you think the US government is against selling consumer chips to China. I didn't realize Huawei was the entire Chinese economy. You do realize pretty much every smartphone uses Qualcomm chips and almost every PC computer Intel or AMD. Every high-end gaming PC uses nvidia chips. So not understanding your logic.

BTW So far Tesla is the only car company with a released solution (vs Porsche vaporware) that is more than just an enhanced cruise control for the highway.

Thousands of people post videos of themselves using it. Nobody else is coming close.

 
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So far Tesla is the only car company with a solution that is more than just an enhanced cruise control for the highway.

Thousands of people post videos of themselves using it. Nobody else is coming close.


Tesla is using CV (computer vision) system to identify objects in the road with a radar for distance, which in my opinion what the Huawei car was doing WITH A SMARTPHONE. image if they decide to go full blown servers and Baidu is already doing that in China. Tesla is great company but don't underestimate the efforts of other companies.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/05/b...e-android-of-the-autonomous-driving-industry/
 
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Not sure why you think the US government is against selling consumer chips to China. I didn't realize Huawei was the entire Chinese economy. You do realize pretty much every smartphone uses Qualcomm chips and almost every PC computer Intel or AMD. Every high-end gaming PC uses nvidia chips. So not understanding your logic.
Huawei is just the beginning and the Iran thing was just an excuse, just like Uighur thing was an excuse to ban companies like HikVision, but the end goal is full fledged embargo on selling advance tech to China like self driving tech, consequences are secundary. This people see American companies as loyal soldiers, so they are disposable.
The only thing stopping the Neocons in the republican imposing that, is the objection of the Pentagon that reached an agreement to put some controls
https://www.rcrwireless.com/2020012...lan-increase-restrictions-huawei-sales-report
neoliberals in the trump administration like Munich, American corporations and somehow Trump itself But if Trump for some miracle wins a second term them he will have NOTHING to lose and he is in debt with the republicans for supporting him with the impeachment thing. Because of that i personally think that Trump will let the Neocons take total control and let then launch economic and real wars all over the world and China is their big target.

That is my personal opinion, based on my own research.
 
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Huawei is just the beginning and the Iran thing was just an excuse, just like Uighur thing was an excuse to ban companies like HikVision, but the end goal is full fledged embargo on selling advance tech to China like self driving tech, consequences are secundary. This people see American companies as loyal soldiers, so they are disposable.
The only thing stopping the Neocons in the republican imposing that, is the objection of the Pentagon that reached an agreement to put some controls
https://www.rcrwireless.com/2020012...lan-increase-restrictions-huawei-sales-report
neoliberals in the trump administration like Munich, American corporations and somehow Trump itself But if Trump for some miracle wins a second term them he will have NOTHING to lose and he is in debt with the republicans for supporting him with the impeachment thing. Because of that i personally think that Trump will let the Neocons take total control and let then launch economic and real wars all over the world and China is their big target.

That is my personal opinion, based on my own research.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/qu...hone-chips-to-huawei-analyst-says-51590681654
Qualcomm Likely to Sell Smartphone Chips to Huawei, Analyst Says
May 28, 2020
Qualcomm could be the surprise winner in the U.S. government’s latest crackdown on supplying critical technology infrastructure to the Chinese telecom equipment company Huawei Technologies.

KeyBanc Capital Markets analyst John Vinh makes that point in a research note Thursday as he raised his rating on Qualcomm shares (ticker: QCOM). The government recently issued new rules that will make it difficult for Huawei’s chip manufacturing arm, HiSilicon, to get access to U.S. semiconductor manufacturing hardware.

Vinh argues that as a result, Huawei won’t be able to use HiSilicon to source chipsets for its cutting-edge smartphones in 2021—and that the company will instead use Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chipset in its flagship phones, the Mate 50 and P50.

Qualcomm would need to apply for a license from the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security to sell those chips to Huawei. Vinh thinks the request would be granted, and that it would be accompanied by a patent license agreement between Qualcomm and Huawei. Qualcomm for months has been trying to secure a 5G technology license agreement with Huawei, but to no avail.

Many of the restrictions put in place against Huawei are designed to protect national security threats posed by 5G communications/network infrastructure and military applications, whereas we don’t believe consumer smartphone devices are being targeted,” Vinh writes. He adds that an agreement would be consistent with U.S. interests, as it would benefit a U.S.-based chip company.

In anticipation of a deal with Huawei, Vinh raised his revenue estimate for the September 2021 fiscal year to $27.9 billion from $23.7 billion, and his earnings-per-share estimate to $6.64 a share from $4.85. Consensus estimates are $26.4 billion in revenue and profits of $5.78 a share.

The analyst adds that if the company fails to get an export license, “it would still benefit, as without chip supply and the ability to produce smartphones, we anticipate other Chinese [mobile phone companies], including Xiaomi and Oppo/Vivo, which are already Qualcomm customers and licensees, gaining share.”

Vinh raised his rating on the communications chip company’s shares to Overweight from Sector Weight, setting a price target of $105.

Qualcomm stock is up 0.9%, at $80.04, in recent trading. The S&P 500 is up 0.5%.
 
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https://www.barrons.com/articles/qu...hone-chips-to-huawei-analyst-says-51590681654
Qualcomm Likely to Sell Smartphone Chips to Huawei, Analyst Says
May 28, 2020
Qualcomm could be the surprise winner in the U.S. government’s latest crackdown on supplying critical technology infrastructure to the Chinese telecom equipment company Huawei Technologies.

KeyBanc Capital Markets analyst John Vinh makes that point in a research note Thursday as he raised his rating on Qualcomm shares (ticker: QCOM). The government recently issued new rules that will make it difficult for Huawei’s chip manufacturing arm, HiSilicon, to get access to U.S. semiconductor manufacturing hardware.

Vinh argues that as a result, Huawei won’t be able to use HiSilicon to source chipsets for its cutting-edge smartphones in 2021—and that the company will instead use Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chipset in its flagship phones, the Mate 50 and P50.

Qualcomm would need to apply for a license from the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security to sell those chips to Huawei. Vinh thinks the request would be granted, and that it would be accompanied by a patent license agreement between Qualcomm and Huawei. Qualcomm for months has been trying to secure a 5G technology license agreement with Huawei, but to no avail.

Many of the restrictions put in place against Huawei are designed to protect national security threats posed by 5G communications/network infrastructure and military applications, whereas we don’t believe consumer smartphone devices are being targeted,” Vinh writes. He adds that an agreement would be consistent with U.S. interests, as it would benefit a U.S.-based chip company.

In anticipation of a deal with Huawei, Vinh raised his revenue estimate for the September 2021 fiscal year to $27.9 billion from $23.7 billion, and his earnings-per-share estimate to $6.64 a share from $4.85. Consensus estimates are $26.4 billion in revenue and profits of $5.78 a share.

The analyst adds that if the company fails to get an export license, “it would still benefit, as without chip supply and the ability to produce smartphones, we anticipate other Chinese [mobile phone companies], including Xiaomi and Oppo/Vivo, which are already Qualcomm customers and licensees, gaining share.”

Vinh raised his rating on the communications chip company’s shares to Overweight from Sector Weight, setting a price target of $105.

Qualcomm stock is up 0.9%, at $80.04, in recent trading. The S&P 500 is up 0.5%.

That is some grade A bull****, Huawei and Qualcomm already have a good relationship before the ban, Qualcomm was making really good money from selling parts to Huawei where really matters, Infrastructure , 5G stations, Qualcomm didn't need to sell Huawei smartphone chips because already dominated more than 60% of the smartphone market. If they really wanted to help Qualcomm they would have approved Qualcomm to sell to Huawei right away
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/06/qua...its-license-to-sell-technology-to-huawei.html
https://marketrealist.com/2019/08/qualcomm-multifold-impact-of-huawei-ban/
But now that ban has put Qualcomm in bad positions with other companies looking for alternatives.
https://www.businessinsider.com/oppo-joins-ranks-of-smartphone-vendors-pursuing-custom-socs-2020-2
With China now doing Manhattan type projects to increase the localization of their semiconductor industry, Qualcomm could probably could get really hurts if the two countries don't reach an agreement on Huawei soon and i not talking on approve some licenses.
https://cntechpost.com/2020/06/05/f...achine-expected-to-be-delivered-in-2021-2022/
28nm probably single exposure.
https://optocrypto.com/china-will-have-its-own-photoresist-material-for-7nm-process-technology/

If their plan was to force Huawei to buy more Qualcomm products.
1-Qualcomm didn't need help because Huawei was already a giant costumer of Qualcomm.
2-Now is have made Qualcomm tech more undesirable in China.
But i don't believe for a second that was their plan, i think that they believe that China buying tech from U.S companies are a national security problem.
https://www.chinabusinessreview.com...ing-and-foundational-technologies-a-null-set/

What are they thinking? Just let the free market do its thing.
 
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