US carried out madrasah bombing

[Bull]

Bull,

Take your time in responding, i know your busy typing in the office.

Dont get too excited.

i just cant control my excitement...:pff:

 

[Contrarian]

India's left is like Pakistan's religious right...they are against US hegemony and expansion and meddling,

Well...i think its necessary to have a left Bull. Something to keep the govt in check. Its a necssary evil as they say. Its policies are not always right, but sometimes, it is very useful. Reforms have to be initiated gradually, india would fall apartif all of them are inplemented in 1 go, like Russia. Things need to be gradual, and left is the one that makes the govt go slow. Too slow at times, but slow nonetheless.

 

[Bull]

Well...i think its necessary to have a left Bull. Something to keep the govt in check. Its a necssary evil as they say. Its policies are not always right, but sometimes, it is very useful. Reforms have to be initiated gradually, india would fall apartif all of them are inplemented in 1 go, like Russia. Things need to be gradual, and left is the one that makes the govt go slow. Too slow at times, but slow nonetheless.

I shall agree to you on this.

 

[MIG_ACE]

Yes and you guys are the ever-angellic Indians who never lie, deceive, go back on your word. Give me a break please! You guys laid the foundation of a dishonest relationship between the two countries by going back on your word about the Kashmir plebescite. So please lets not go off crying about Kargil as a big stab in the back....how about Indian intervention in East Pakistan? We crossed the LoC during the Kargil crises and you guys cry about not respecting the "sanctity" of it....in 1971, you guys invaded an "Independent" country by crossing over the IB...so don't play innocent here....where was the sanctity of IB then???

You guys lie to fend off criticism about your forced occupation of Kashmir. The Kashmiris hate the Indian occupation and cant stand being a part of the Indian union and no amount of lying or support from Pakistan can change that reality.

Did we ever say we didnt invade east pakistan?? No.
I was talking about the tendency to lie blatantly displayed by u'r govt.

 

[Contrarian]

and might is right in the real world. If Pakistan was militarily capable, it would not have hesitated to take its territories as claimed by it from India for a second. Now since India has the upper hand from siachen to kargil to whatever, Pakistan cannot complain. Like i said in the other thread. Forget Kashmir and things will be resolved. Keep kashmir in the fore front, there will be another war. You know the outcome, it will be decisive, half destruction for one, complete destruction for another. It is simply not an option. So better to forget kashmir.

 

[blain2]

Did we ever say we didnt invade east pakistan?? No.
I was talking about the tendency to lie blatantly displayed by u'r govt.

The tendency to lie exists in an environment where this tendency is displayed on both sides....hopefully you get my point.

I can give you a multitude of lies that have come forth from the Indian side, but it leads to nowhere.

 

[blain2]

and might is right in the real world. If Pakistan was militarily capable, it would not have hesitated to take its territories as claimed by it from India for a second. Now since India has the upper hand from siachen to kargil to whatever, Pakistan cannot complain. Like i said in the other thread. Forget Kashmir and things will be resolved. Keep kashmir in the fore front, there will be another war. You know the outcome, it will be decisive, half destruction for one, complete destruction for another. It is simply not an option. So better to forget kashmir.

Malay,

You can forget about Pakistan giving up on Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek or anything else....we are as stubborn as you think you are....a vast majority of Pakistanis would support indefinite deployment of troops at Siachen. If there is war then it would be misery but such is the way life is for the two countries. Pakistan will NOT allow another capitulation without seriously (or even terminally) hurting India. This is the unfortunate reality of the situation.

I also do not buy this logic of yours which claims "You know the outcome, it will be decisive, half destruction for one, complete destruction for another.". If Godforbid something like this happens then it would be complete destruction for both countries....having greater land mass does not mean you survive....the economy will be finished for next 30 years, the health services would be non-existant, water supply polluted, more wars in the region, famine....I mean you name it and we will have it...with the amount of firepower at the disposal of the two countries, this wont be a Japan episode.
BD, SL, I mean the entire South Asia and even China, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan would be seriously impacted if the war is taken to its logical (illogical from a sanity perspective) conclusion.

Partial vs. complete destruction is only a statement made to make oneself feel good right now in the heat of the argument (Yeah we have outlasted the other), but those surviving would wish they were dead.

 

[waz]

Forget about Kashmir? You must be joking why forget about land that rightfully belongs to us? Being a Kashmiri myself it is either complete independence or joining Pakistan I prefer the union.

 

[Contrarian]

Partial vs. complete destruction is only a statement made to make oneself feel good right now in the heat of the argument (Yeah we have outlasted the other), but those surviving would wish they were dead.

It is a stupid scenario indeed, and yes i agree, those that survive in India will wish themselves dead for it wil be hell but hey man, war is about survival. I know the economy will be crippled for atleast 3 decades.

If you say you are as stubborn on Kashmir, then why bother with talks on Kashmir. You know that India will never give it up. Or do you expect the Indians to concede Kashmir?? It's not going to happen mate. Like i said, Pakistan will need to give us something REEEEAAAAAALLLY weighty and worty in return for this. And there is nothing that it can give. Kashmir is the issue of self-respect and dignity now. India will never give it up.

You doubt my statement that had Pakistan been militarily capable, it would have taken kashmir on its own? Three wars have been fought. All started by Pakistan.Ego's of the generals Boosted by arms from US. They thought they could take kashmir.
Even the bangladesh war. I agree the govt was plannign to intervene. So fearing that Pakistan took the first airstrikes on the Indian airfields. Thus technically pakistan started even that war.

India would never give kashmir, and neither would Pakistan according to you. Then why bother with the peace talks.

 

[Spring Onion]

Well again Kshmir than i think Kashmir has to be resolved sooner or later that is ultimate and for suer in coming days when superpower jumped into this due to strategic location of Kashmir it will be hell for both India and Pakistan.

 

[Contrarian]

no country can jump into kashmir unless both pakistan and india want them to.
And India is steadfast on its refusal to allow any third country into the problem.