US cannot counter China in Asia without India's support: MK Narayanan

[DeathInvader]

Are bhai u didn get me.... think there is a war between usa n china regarding taiwan... in that case why shud we give usa a base to launch attack into china... this will lead to retaliatory attack on the base that is on our soil... we will be dragged into war without reason.. coz taiwan is of no interest to india..our airforce army navy are very good very powerful no doubt but why should we enter into a war without any reason??

I used the word ally in the later post just to be clear on the same issue. Only if China is up against US and India only then. Else there is no reason for us to do that and they already have JAPAN for it.

The dragon was in the Maldives but will return to Sri Lanka to remove the Indian puppets by military intervention if necessary.

Then return, why are you waiting for? What's stopping the massive dragon from doing that.

 

[GURU DUTT]

the oldgaurd in CIA andits stooges all over the world are trying to restart the old equations but they forget much has changed

no matter what india wont side with USA and be used as a US proxy against china as india and china friendship is the onli way forward for a better future for both of us great nations

india will definatelli form an allience with vietnam +japan+phillpines and US but that dosent means india is going to war with china

itwill be like a balancing act by india much against the immidiate dangers posted by pakistan china courtship

we will give china constructive opposition

 

[DeathInvader]

care to elaborate? how we gonna pay the most?

You aren't taking USAF, USN lightly, are you? Don't you think you will be attacked from all sides and crippled. What are your chances of defending or even offensive attacks. Can you elaborate that. Tell me, In a situation where, the strings of pearls that US has against you is utilized to fullest. What will you do then? All your defenses would be gone. Your runways and missiles facilities will be over. Your satellites will be killed. What will you do?

And please don't as this question to us as we never said we won't inflict damage in event of a war. The Question is who will inflict max damage.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Never think Russia is our all weather friend. YOu and other Indian posters have a lot to learn. You all are quite clueless to how much emphasis Russia places in their Sino relations over India.

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India is meant to disposed when it serve no purpose, I just love MK Narayanan's statement that US cannot counter China in Asia without India's support, you guys need to make yourself feel important and to get attention when the world has ignore India for so long time.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You aren't taking USAF, USN lightly, are you? Don't you think you will be attacked from all sides and crippled. What are your chances of defending or even offensive attacks. Can you elaborate that. Tell me, In a situation where, the strings of pearls that US has against you is utilized to fullest. What will you do then? All your defenses would be gone. Your runways and missiles facilities will be over. Your satellites will be killed. What will you do?

And please don't as this question to us as we never said we won't inflict damage in event of a war. The Question is who will inflict max damage.

And who say we need to do anything with US if Americans are happy to be in Indian' soil, what we need is watching and laughing at Indians from Tibet plateau how Americans can milk India the same way as they did with Japan, Korea by selling China's threat.

Of course China and US both know the red line that both shouldn't cross, and we're not stupid enough to provoke US to the point of war which India can rip the benefice from it but we do like US to take advantage of India as long as it's not at our expense such as increase US navy in Indian Ocean at false pretence to counter China . The more we can trigger to bring more internaional naval force into Indian ocean, the less Indian navy will be significant in this region which fit perfectly our stragegical scheme,

 

[sancho]

That is a very "Be my daddy" comment. One would have expected a more balanced statement from a former diplomat coming from the country known for its balanced poise within its region.

Actually it states the reality and the strong position India has wrt to the US. Everybody knows that the US needs us wrt China. Everybody knows that that's the whole point of pushing us into the rank of an official nuclear power, providing us with all kinds of weapons and putting pressure to their allies to cooperate with India on defence or nuclear energy related issues, that were blocked in the past.
And in the same manner, India is fully aware about the advantage it has and is trying to get the maximum out of it! Be it in terms of political advantages, be not only US arms as such, but also ToT and offsets, or economical benefits. So why should anybody deny the obvious?

 

[DeathInvader]

And who say we need to do anything with US if Americans are happy to be in Indian' soil, what we need is watching and laughing at Indians from Tibet plateau how Americans can milk India the same way as they did with Japan, Korea by selling China's threat.

Of course China and US both know the red line that both shouldn't cross, and we're not stupid enough to provoke US to the point of war which India can rip the benefice from it but we do like US to take advantage of India as long as it's not at our expense such as increase US navy in Indian Ocean at false pretence to counter China . The more we can trigger to bring more internaional naval force into Indian ocean, the less Indian navy will be significant in this region which fit perfectly our stragegical scheme,

Oh You don't worry, We know exactly where to let USN in IOR. Don't you worry. We aren't growing our fleet to be kept as a show piece.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Oh You don't worry, We know exactly where to let USN in IOR. Don't you worry. We aren't growing our fleet to be kept as a show piece.

Why we're worry? when China set turbulance in Indian Ocean with the present of Chinese navy, other force such EU navy and of course US will certainly don't want to miss anything there especially the balance of power in IOR. You Indian want a peace and a calm sea in IOR and no external force will be present so Indian Navy can dominate this region and guess what ? you wont achieve this dream as long as China is concern.

 

[DeathInvader]

Why we're worry? when China set turbulance in Indian Ocean with the present of Chinese navy, other force such EU navy and of course US will certainly don't want to miss anything there especially the balance of power in IOR. You Indian want a peace and a calm sea in IOR and no external force will be present so Indian Navy can dominate this region and guess what ? you wont achieve this dream as long as China is concern.

We won't? We already are! You should worry more about SCS. Because our presence did gave you a shock wave for sure. Just waiting for the drilling to begin in SCS.

 

[Bornubus]

Now logistical support agreement etc makes sense....soon waters around Andaman nicobar island...will be smarmed with Ohio class submarines.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

We won't? We already are! You should worry more about SCS. Because our presence did gave you a shock wave for sure. Just waiting for the drilling to begin in SCS.

You already are what? dominant in IOR? If we're worry about SCS then it's illogical for us to have our subs and warships present in Indian Ocean. You can come to drill any time in SCS , let see if you can compete with our 981 platform that has scare the shit out of Vietnam. Only you Indian like to boast and claim to have shock wave effect in SCS when we only pay attention on US navy LMAO, but when our subs dock in SL port, it had shaken the foundation of India and tarnished Indian Navy's dream to be the one dominance force in IOR.

 

[DeathInvader]

You already are what? dominant in IOR? If we're worry about SCS then it's illogical for us to have our subs and warships present in Indian Ocean. You can come to drill any time in SCS , let see if you can compete with our 981 platform that has scare the shit out of Vietnam. Only you Indian like to boast and claim to have shock wave effect in SCS when we only pay attention on US navy LMAO, but when our subs dock in SL port, it had shaken the foundation of India and tarnished Indian Navy's dream to be the one dominance force in IOR.

hahahah, You were present in Srilanka, not India. Your presence did annoy us and but it really feels good when the hypocritical dragon cries when we enter SCS. But don't you worry, we will compete with you.

 

[KAL-EL]

Now logistical support agreement etc makes sense....soon waters around Andaman nicobar island...will be smarmed with Ohio class submarines.

I Ohio Class Subs. I sleep better at night knowing they're out there acting as a powerful deterrence.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

I do not understand this, Chinese friend here are jumping up and down claiming on every thread that they will be here in IOR and we can't do jack$h!t?

I request all those people to have a look at geography of Malacca strait and it's distance from Car Nicobar, And also the plans for arming that Nicobar territory. After studying defensive strategies of India there, can anybody tell me how would any enemy ship, be it surface or underwater can come into IOR without IN allowing it?

IN just has to look over 90 odd kms of water and defend it in any case of confrontation. That Malacca strait is jugular vein of all East bound trade And India has control over it. I do not see any reason for Chinese friends to go hyper about adventuring in IOR, unless they are planning to enter from east i.e. from Pacific to Tasman sea and then to IOR which also would not be easy because they would have to face Aussie first and then USN near Diego Garcia.

Sure India can do alot of jack$hit to other Asian nations due to your geographical advantage but not with China as i have elaborated on other thread, Tibet is China's blessing and a curse to India in term of Geostrategic and well positionned to counter all India advantage on IOR: all your vital cities are within our cheap rocket and artillery, your entire navy in under DF-21D coverage and New Dehli is also at our mercy while you need to rely on your Agni 5 to reach our coastal cities.

And of course I have forgot the famous "water issue" to deal with India

Do more, talk less @kurup

hahahah, You were present in Srilanka, not India. Your presence did annoy us and but it really feels good when the hypocritical dragon cries when we enter SCS. But don't you worry, we will compete with you.

then let's compete, see who shall prevail

I Ohio Class Subs. I sleep better at night knowing they're out there acting as a powerful deterrence.

Yes US should bring not only Ohio class subs but more fire power to contain China in Indian Ocean, if Indian will make A&N islands available to US navy as Okinawa...than we Chinese will mark this celebration.

 

[KAL-EL]

Yes US should bring not only Ohio class subs but more fire power to contain China in Indian Ocean, if Indian will make A&N islands available to US navy as Okinawa...than we Chinese will mark this celebration.

My comment was a general one, based on my love for our Ohio Class subs. Not specifically about having them in the Indian Ocean. Those subs are deep beneath the depths of almost every ocean. Acting as a deterrent.