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US, Canada & Ukraine vote against Russia’s anti-Nazism resolution at UN
Published time: November 22, 2014 07:59
Edited time: November 23, 2014 14:43
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UN General Assembly’s Third Committee passed a Russia-proposed resolution condemning attempts to glorify Nazism ideology and denial of German Nazi war crimes. The US, Canada and Ukraine were the only countries to vote against it.

The resolution was passed on Friday by the committee, which is tasked with tackling social and humanitarian issues and human rights abuses, by 115 votes against three, with 55 nations abstaining, Tass news agency reported.

The document voiced concern over the rise of racism-driven crimes around the world and the influence that parties with extremist agendas are gaining.

It called for a universal adoption of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. Many nations including the US, the UK, China and India, signed the convention but did not recognize a mechanism resolving individual complaints it establishes, which makes the convention unenforceable in their jurisdictions.

The resolution also decried attempts to whitewash Nazi collaborators by depicting them as fighters of nationalist resistance movements and honoring them as such.

It condemned any form of denial of Nazi war crimes, including the Jewish Holocaust.


Russia, which submitted the draft resolution, said it regretted that it could not be adopted anonymously.

“The fact that the US, Canada and Ukraine voted against, while delegations from EU member states abstained in the vote on this draft resolution, which was supported by an overwhelming majority of the UN member states, is extremely regrettable,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

“Ukraine’s position is particularly dispiriting and alarming. One can hardly understand how a country, the people of which suffered their full share of the horrors of Nazism and contributed significantly to our common victory against it, can vote against a resolution condemning its glorification,” the ministry said.

Moscow proposes similar documents to the UN General Assembly annually, but the US and Canada have consistently voted against them. Ukraine is a new nation among the opponents, as in previous years it has abstained.

Kiev’s representative at the session, Andrey Tsymbalyuk, said that while Ukraine did condemn Nazism and neo-Nazism, it could not endorse the Russian resolution, because it suffered not only from Nazism, but also from Stalinism in the past.

“As long as Stalinism and neo-Stalinism are not condemned as strongly as Nazism, neo-Nazism and other forms of hatred, Ukraine would not be able to back this document,” the diplomat said.

The resolution is to be formally adopted by the UN General Assembly as a body in December
 
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It called for a universal adoption of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. Many nations including the US, the UK, China and India, signed the convention but did not recognize a mechanism resolving individual complaints it establishes, which makes the convention unenforceable in their jurisdictions.
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Kiev’s representative at the session, Andrey Tsymbalyuk, said that while Ukraine did condemn Nazism and neo-Nazism, it could not endorse the Russian resolution, because it suffered not only from Nazism, but also from Stalinism in the past.
“As long as Stalinism and neo-Stalinism are not condemned as strongly as Nazism, neo-Nazism and other forms of hatred, Ukraine would not be able to back this document,” the diplomat said.
US, Canada & Ukraine vote against Russia’s anti-Nazism resolution at UN — RT News

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If it puts free speech at risk, I'm against it. Let them talk. Reason is not achieved by censorship. If you cannot persuade, maybe your argument isn't so good.

In this case, it looks like a way to declare things off-limits for discussion by screaming "nazism!" It is exactly what Russia has done in the Ukraine, so it is a bit disturbing. We have enough problems with hate-speech laws being used to suppress dissent already. Defining away some more free speech by creating more sacred cows is a bad thing.

Further, singling out the Nazi behavior killing undesirables in WWII is a bit rich, given that there are numerous other crimes you'd also need to make illegal to deny or discuss. The general case is "Genocide denial" and includes Ukrainian starvation at the hands of Russia. Are you ready to make it illegal to deny that, @senheiser?

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Remember, no denying now! Its ILLEGAL to debate it!

For the record, I believe the Nazis killed between 6 and 11 million people, roughly 2/3rds Jewish, in civilian camps during WWII. I also believe Turkey committed genocide against Armenia, that the Soviet Union killed a lot of their own people during the 30s, and that China killed a lot of their own people in the 50s. And I believe that numerous other genocidal acts, more distant and more recent have occurred.

None of that should be held against any people who did not commit those crimes themselves. That it occurred should be acknowledged, and we should attempt to learn and do better. Forcing beliefs on people is not doing better though. I think people should be free to talk about all of these, and to question or doubt it as they see the evidence or lack thereof.
 
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If it puts free speech at risk, I'm against it. Let them talk. Reason is not achieved by censorship. If you cannot persuade, maybe your argument isn't so good.

In this case, it looks like a way to declare things off-limits for discussion by screaming "nazism!" It is exactly what Russia has done in the Ukraine, so it is a bit disturbing. We have enough problems with hate-speech laws being used to suppress dissent already. Defining away some more free speech by creating more sacred cows is a bad thing.

Further, singling out the Nazi behavior killing undesirables in WWII is a bit rich, given that there are numerous other crimes you'd also need to make illegal to deny or discuss. The general case is "Genocide denial" and includes Ukrainian starvation at the hands of Russia. Are you ready to make it illegal to deny that, @senheiser?

Ethnic cleansing of Circassians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Remember, no denying now! Its ILLEGAL to debate it!

For the record, I believe the Nazis killed between 6 and 11 million people, roughly 2/3rds Jewish, in civilian camps during WWII. I also believe Turkey committed genocide against Armenia, that the Soviet Union killed a lot of their own people during the 30s, and that China killed a lot of their own people in the 50s. And I believe that numerous other genocidal acts, more distant and more recent have occurred.

None of that should be held against any people who did not commit those crimes themselves. That it occurred should be acknowledged, and we should attempt to learn and do better. Forcing beliefs on people is not doing better though. I think people should be free to talk about all of these, and to question or doubt it as they see the evidence or lack thereof.
holdmor is just another propaganda, there was also a russian famine in 1921 where much more people died



lol american pointing finger against russia how they expelled circasians 300 years ago, you hypocrite??? you should rather look at your self how you expelled and ethnically cleansed native americans in their own country

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russian people settled in colonies and lived side by side with native people
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