'US campaign in Afghanistan has failed, troops should leave' – Russian envoy

[MAS9]

US doesn't want to leave. It's a strategic position

 

[Fledgingwings]

My friend. All American wants there is to spread chaos and earn money on opium and terrorism. That is all. So it is really hard to fail.

You,re right ! The movie Jack reacher never go back also rings a bell.

 

[BATMAN]

Russian remarks are coming at point when US is planning to introduce Black Water.
Which means hired mercenaries, in other words more trouble for Pakistan in coming days.
We have already seen sudden increase in IED blasts, which only means Indians have once again teamed up with Americans.

 

[Vergennes]

If you go back to 2001 I distinctly remember US was only about OBL. Everything else was incidental. If you don't believe me go back to the period before invasion of Afghanistan and you will see it was all about OBL. However after having killed OBL US has gotten into more and more complicated fudgy mission. So now there is no more metric of success because what is the goal now? We have no idea because clearly it has shifted since 2001. So if the goalpost continously changes how do you know the score? You can't even tell if you have scored !

Just similar to Iraq like those claiming "the US lost" when in fact they achieved all of their main objectives. They quickly invaded and bombed Iraq to the stone ages,overthrowed the Baathist regime and got their hands on Saddam Al Hussein. The rest is secondary.

The problem again,like in all other conflicts is that when you have achieved all of your objectives,you have to find other goals and above all,an exit strategy.

 

[TMA]

The US is too arrogant and obstinate to withdraw from Afghanistan because of failure to achieve a single strategic objective of Afghanistan military campaign. Moreover, none in US is ready to bear the burn of officially withdrawing from Afghanistan. Now the Blackwater's Eric Prince want US to handover Afghanistan to them to run as a colony whose actual purpose to promote and control the drug trade from Afghanistan.

The solution is that US must be ejected from Afghanistan by the cooperation of neighboring countries to bring stability in the region and prevent Afghanistan to become breeding ground to terrorist factions like ISIS

They have achieved some great strategic objectives: military bases in a perfect location to keep watch over China, Russia and Pakistan.
Succor of terrorist groups for destabilisation.

You are right Pakistan, China and Russia ought to work together and make it to costly for NATO to stay.

Yes, for now Americans have control on all above mentioned 4 points.

But

1. Were Americans able to create a stronghold in Afghanistan for next 100 years?
No. They have lost the Afghan campaign spectacularly and even blind can see that now.

2. Were Americans able to De-Nuclarize Pakistan?
No, they can't even get a single bit of info about nuclear infrastructure of Pakistan no matter how hard they tried.

3. Do Americans able to Balkanize Pakistan like Yugoslavia as per their proposed 2001 plan?
No, Americans failed miserably; rather Pakistan is the only country in the entire world who has successfully fought back the menace of terrorism successfully and defeated the terrorists being launched from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

See American's balkanization plan for Af-Pak Region in this pic from this globalresearch.ca article

picture link: http://www.globalresearch.ca/images/harita_b.jpeg

The need of the hour is that US should be ejected from Afghanistan to bring stability in the region. Afghanistan is slipping out of US's control but they are too arrogant to acknowledge that.

And you think that their Zionist masters have given up on denuclearization and Balkanization? You are having a giraffe!

The battle is over but the war rages on!!

 

[Eagle_storm]

best suggestion and fruitful advice.

 

[flamer84]

The US and NATO should stay as an operation base in Central Asia is a valuable asset.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Ermm.. Repeat as many times you want but we don't see afganisthan campaign as failure. We have taken down terrorists - Mullah Omar, Laden and no-one talks today of al-qaeda anymore.

It is almost gone from the face of the earth.

And last of all Russia pointing US about it's failure in Afganisthan ? What has the world come to

LOL says the fool who blames Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia all day long for the supreme failures in Afghanistan.

Don't you constantly beg other nations to do more for you? That sounds like tremendous failure to me to quote your leader Trump.

We ain't helping you and you are all alone in Afghanistan. At the very least, Pakistan, Russia and China are on one page regarding Afghanistan. We'll see what you or anyone else can do about that. Your days in Opiumland are over.

Russian remarks are coming at point when US is planning to introduce Black Water.
Which means hired mercenaries, in other words more trouble for Pakistan in coming days.
We have already seen sudden increase in IED blasts, which only means Indians have once again teamed up with Americans.

If true, there is only way to reply to these developments. I'm sure Pakistan and other likeminded countries will cooperate in this regard.

We know how to up the ante. There are multiple ways we can pay them back in kind. They are in our backyard.

The Americans should by all means stay in opiumland. The longer they stay the better. We know exactly how well their campaign is going.

 

[TMA]

Entirely disagree. US was entirely successful. The problem US has got into is "mission creep". You go in to do one thing, then when you have done that, you end getting pulled into doing another, then another and before you know it your lost in a maze.

If you go back to 2001 I distinctly remember US was only about OBL. Everything else was incidental. If you don't believe me go back to the period before invasion of Afghanistan and you will see it was all about OBL. However after having killed OBL US has gotten into more and more complicated fudgy mission. So now there is no more metric of success because what is the goal now? We have no idea because clearly it has shifted since 2001. So if the goalpost continously changes how do you know the score? You can't even tell if you have scored !

It was never about OBL.

The US and NATO should stay as an operation base in Central Asia is a valuable asset.

That was one of major objectives that could be achieved with the false flag 9/11attacks.

It was never about bringing terrorists to justice or nation building really.

 

[cloud4000]

Let's see. US has bad relations with both Iran and Russia. China is no help. This only leaves Pakistan. US is relatively trapped in Afghanistan unless it works with Pakistan, at a minimum. Even if US uses mercenaries in Afghanistan, it will have to rely on Pakistan.

The only way for all parties to eject US from Afghanistan is for Pakistan to say enough is enough and tell the US to get. There will be consequences, for sure, but I'm sure Pakistan can afford it. The long-term benefits will be worth it.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yes, for now Americans have control on all above mentioned 4 points.

But

1. Were Americans able to create a stronghold in Afghanistan for next 100 years?
No. They have lost the Afghan campaign spectacularly and even blind can see that now.

2. Were Americans able to De-Nuclarize Pakistan?
No, they can't even get a single bit of info about nuclear infrastructure of Pakistan no matter how hard they tried.

3. Do Americans able to Balkanize Pakistan like Yugoslavia as per their proposed 2001 plan?
No, Americans failed miserably; rather Pakistan is the only country in the entire world who has successfully fought back the menace of terrorism successfully and defeated the terrorists being launched from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

See American's balkanization plan for Af-Pak Region in this pic from this globalresearch.ca article

picture link: http://www.globalresearch.ca/images/harita_b.jpeg

The need of the hour is that US should be ejected from Afghanistan to bring stability in the region. Afghanistan is slipping out of US's control but they are too arrogant to acknowledge that.

This balkanization plan will never work. Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

 

[Lahorie]

They have achieved some great strategic objectives: military bases in a perfect location to keep watch over China, Russia and Pakistan.
Succor of terrorist groups for destabilisation.

You are right Pakistan, China and Russia ought to work together and make it to costly for NATO to stay.

Not for long as Afghan taliban are creeping towards Kabul and Washington has no visible and viable strategy to deal with stalemate.

And you think that their Zionist masters have given up on denuclearization and Balkanization? You are having a giraffe!

The battle is over but the war rages on!!

No, the enemies of Pakistan have not yet given up their objective of denuclearization and balkanization of Pakistan but, at least, their Afghan campaigns' above objectives have failed. Now the enemies are using traitors in politics and media to implode Pakistan

This balkanization plan will never work. Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

The idea is to first denuclearize Pakistan before balkanization.