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US Black Hawk Helicopters Captured by Taliban as ‘Horrified’ Senators Demand DOD Audit

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US Black Hawk Helicopters Captured by Taliban as ‘Horrified’ Senators Demand DOD Audit
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US Black Hawk Helicopters Captured by Taliban as ‘Horrified’ Senators Demand DOD Audit
A U.S. Army Sikorsky UH 60 Black Hawk helicopter flies over Kabul, Afghanistan, in a file photo. (Alexander Klein/AFP/GettyImage)
Likely billions of dollars of American weapons and vehicles are now in the hands of the Taliban extremist group after the collapse of the Afghan government and army, with numerous videos and photos surfacing online showing Taliban members seizing the equipment.
Photos have circulated of Taliban members holding American M-4 carbines and M-16 rifles rather than AK-47s or AKMs. Other images and videos showed the Taliban surrounding U.S. Black Hawk helicopters and A-29 Super Tucano attack aircraft.
On Wednesday, several GOP senators demanded the Department of Defense (DOD) provide full accounting over the weapons and equipment that were captured by the Taliban, considered by several agencies as a terrorist organization.
“As we watched the images coming out of Afghanistan as the Taliban retook the country, we were horrified to see U.S. equipment—including UH-60 Black Hawks—in the hands of the Taliban,” Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.) and two dozen other senators wrote to Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin this week.




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“It is unconscionable that high-tech military equipment paid for by U.S. taxpayers has fallen into the hands of the Taliban and their terrorist allies,” the Republicans added. “Securing U.S. assets should have been among the top priorities for the U.S. Department of Defense prior to announcing the withdrawal from Afghanistan.”
Some experts said that the Taliban capture of U.S. hardware has more of a psychological impact—rather than a practical impact.

“When an armed group gets their hands on American-made weaponry, it’s sort of a status symbol. It’s a psychological win,” said Elias Yousif, deputy director of the Center for International Policy’s Security Assistance Monitor, according to The Hill.
Yousif said the development is problematic for a number of reasons.
“Clearly, this is an indictment of the U.S. security cooperation enterprise broadly,” he added. “It really should raise a lot of concerns about what is the wider enterprise that is going on every single day, whether that’s in the Middle East, Sub-Saharan Africa, East Asia.”
Military vehicles transferred by the U.S. to the Afghan National Army
Military vehicles transferred by the U.S. to the Afghan National Army in February 2021. (Afghanistan Ministry of Defense/via Reuters)

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Taliban members stand guard at an entrance gate outside the Interior Ministry in Kabul, on Aug. 17, 2021. (Javed Tanveer/AFP via Getty Images)
The Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, established by Congress in 2008, has said that about $83 billion was spent on developing and sustaining the Afghan police and army over two decades. Between 2003 and 2016, the United States transferred nearly 600,000 weapons, 76,000 vehicles, 163,000 communication devices, 208 aircraft, and surveillance and reconnaissance equipment to the Afghan forces, said a 2017 Government Accountability Office report.
Between 2017 and 2019, the United States provided Afghan army forces with 4,702 Humvees, 2,520 bombs, 1,394 grenade launchers, 20,040 hand grenades, and 7,035 machine guns, said the Office of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.
Yousif told The Hill that it’s likely the Taliban would be able to use advanced aircraft or weaponry but stressed they won’t be able to keep the aircraft in the air for long.

“They may be able to manage a flight or two or to operate them in some really limited capacity in the short term, but without long-term sustainment, maintenance, servicing, that sort of thing, it wouldn’t turn into a robust or useful military capability,” he said. “It took the Afghans and the United States a long time to develop an indigenous air capability, and even then, they were reliant on the United States to keep those planes in the sky.”
Small arms like M-16s, he said, are of more concern.





“They are easy to maintain, easy to learn how to use, easy to transport,” Yousif told the outlet. “The concern for all small arms is that they are durable goods and they can be transferred, sold. We’ve seen this before where a conflict ends and the arms that stay there make their way to all parts of the world.”
When pressed for comment, White House officials said that it’s not clear how many weapons or vehicles were seized.
“We don’t have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone, but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters on Tuesday. “And obviously, we don’t have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport.”
And Sullivan made reference to the Black Hawk helicopters that were taken, blaming the Afghan army for not defending themselves.
“Those Black Hawks were not given to the Taliban,” he said. “They were given to the Afghan National Security Forces to be able to defend themselves at the specific request of [Afghan] President [Ashraf] Ghani, who came to the Oval Office and asked for additional air capability, among other things.”
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bomb magnets ?

what can they do with them anyway apart from sell to China or Russia ?
 
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Rifles and apcs doesn't matter much as for helis and aircrafts us can bend Taliban arm through control of Afghan govt funds and get them back.
 
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Biggest issue soon they will face is maintenance and spares
 
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bomb magnets ?

what can they do with them anyway apart from sell to China or Russia ?
See, here is the place where most of the Indians make mistake.
Indians mix ISIS, Talibs and Al-Qaida. Wrong
Indians rate everything based on money and technology - wrong
Indians think only bachelor's or masters degree holders can do big things and can operate sophisticated weapons - wrong
Indians assume that Talibs are a terrorist group that captured Afghanistan with force - wrong.

And due to lack of this basic understanding and IQ, whole of South Asia pays the price every now and then.
 
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See, here is the place where most of the Indians make mistake.
Indians mix ISIS, Talibs and Al-Qaida. Wrong
Indians rate everything based on money and technology - wrong
Indians think only bachelor's or masters degree holders can do big things and can operate sophisticated weapons - wrong
Indians assume that Talibs are a terrorist group that captured Afghanistan with force - wrong.

And due to lack of this basic understanding and IQ, whole of South Asia pays the price every now and then.
I've made none of those assumptions in my post apart from questioning if they can really fly the helos. Which is a legit observation given that they obviously have no training on American gear, and no fly time at all these past 20 years. What, old pilots who flew Russian stuff in the 90s can suddenly jump in and start flying black hawks and chinooks etc ? Most have reportedly been rendered inoperable by the US anyway. The one flying yesterday could be CIA wrapping up their business.

So unless I missed something rather significant (pilots switched sides and are flying Super Tucanos etc for the IEA air force ?).. what the hell are the Taliban going to do with those birds ? Selling them to the Chinese or Russians, or even Pakistan maybe makes sense but Pak will probably stay far away from any such deal so as not to invoke the ire of the US. Those assets are also very likely airstrike magnets.

As for them taking over the country, they did it basically without firing a shot, so to speak. Their treatment of their own subjects/citizens will determine if they are actually terrorists. Also, a successful guerilla insurgency may not translate well at all into the running of a modern nation state in today's world. They need to manage their economy, build infrastructure, provide education and food security apart from establishing a rule of law, engage in diplomacy etc.. Can they do all that ? Guess time will tell.
 
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Well if they still dont then what?
National monuments to a great victory over the great satan, reverse gate guards like.

or, cart them away to a park and have children and families sit around in them and have their pics taken, a candyfloss guy, a few swings.. the talibs like their slides and swings ! An Afghan amusement part.. can picture it now. beautiful !

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the bumper car park I think they burnt down later.. probably just for a bit of grown up fun after those silly kiddy cars. :sniper:
 
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National monuments to a great victory over the great satan, reverse gate guards like.

or, cart them away to a park and have children and families sit around in them and have their pics taken, a candyfloss guy, a few swings.. the talibs like their slides and swings ! An Afghan amusement part.. can picture it now. beautiful !

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the bumper car park I think they burnt down later.. probably just for a bit of grown up fun after those silly kiddy cars. :sniper:
I guess Indians really need to take some time off from giving prediction about Afghanistan, at least for the next few decades. Let grown ups in the region discuss and resolve it for now.
 
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I learned that Taliban got several US jet fighters, Black Hawk helicopters, etc. But the US announced, yesterday that some functional parts in those birds have been destroyed.
Now Taliban are negotiating with China for repair. I am not a militiary engineer.
Just curious to know that is it possible to repair those by Chinese , toward original functions??
Will China and Pakistan take advantage of US technologies from those birds ???
 
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