US Approves Possible Sale Of F-16 Equipment To Pakistan: Pentagon

[nahtanbob]

It depends which specific area we are talking about. In some areas Russians are even better than the US.

Russians have pretty much fallen behind in all areas. The only question is how does Russian combat aircraft offered to you compare with the USAF combat aircraft offered to you

An airforce analyst once said a Mig-21 can shoot down a F-22 if the F-22 just happened to be right in front of the Mig. That doesn't mean the Mig-21 is a superior fighter. Nevertheless, swiping at F16 is not the key of why Pak's F16s are for display pretty much. Pakistan knows it's not allowed to engage IAF and that's why PAF tried to hide the fact it was an F16 shooting down the IAF Mig. Remember all the dancing theatrics, announcement, and denials post shooting-down? Yea, that's Pak fearing America's sanctions for using F16 against IAF.

India is a very important ally for US to contain/counter China. With India's advance in GDP, the importance will only rise and there's nothing Pakistan can do. Do you think US will allow Pak using American-made weapons to harm India? Then what the hell are Pak's F16s for? Think... US wouldn't mind Pak using its F16s to attack China or Iran. But that's out of the question, isn't it? For displaying and feeling the Pak pride? Yes.. that's pretty much it.

Why assume Pakistan has to fight India ?

 

[Sayfullah]

Not speaking as an expert - but upgrade paths for Mirages and F-7's are non-existent. No upgrade even for a Mirage 2000 I'd say (forget about III's and 5's) and for F-7, that production line in China was closed. For these types, retirement is the only goal, sooner the better. Unless air-forces want to keep them around as sacrificial attrition targets in skirmishes. And reduce numbers that way. But that is a rather bad way to lose valuable pilots.

Maintenance wise Mirage III's, 5's and F-7s become rather problematic with engine MTBO times being reduced and thereby expensive to maintain. Parts for engines used in these aircraft also become harder to get, even if cannibalized.

For F-16's Lockheed Martin offers all sorts of aftermarket upgrade equipment and even refurb options. Conformal tanks for range improvements, engine, sensor and weapon upgrades, you name it, they have it.

Some of the Pakistani F-16 fleet are the Block 50/52 version which were delivered in the 2016 batch. It features the Improved Performance Engines, either the F110-GE-129 for the block 50 or the F100-PW-229 for the block 52. The F100-PW-229 is lighter and more powerful than earlier F100s, and had been flying at Edwards AFB since mid-1990 in test ship #81-0816. Both engines are rated at 29,000lbs of thrust (129kN). Block 70 will use a more efficient and possibly lighter engine.

This is a block 70 F-16 (future version for Slovakia).
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This is Jordan's weapons fit for their block 70's. Note the bombs for ground attack role instead of the AIM 120s as for EU weapons fits. The hump aft of the cockpits is for electronic equipment and sensor use.

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Exactly so I don’t understand why some Pakistanis so hell bent on getting rid of F-16’s when we still have legacy mirages and F-7’s flying.

Post shooting, Pak had to use dance theatrics and lies to hide the facts and very much show its fear of the American sanctions. Pathetic. You bought a very expensive weapon and that weapon is limited to shooting birds and not self defending. Do you think Pakistan is a super wealthy nation that could afford such luxury? Mind you, these money were collected from many poor Pakistan people. Only the elite Pakistanis feel money well spent for buying something so they can feel proud of owning and noting more.

BTW, do you know how many times Pak had to bow down and made concessions to America for using the F16 it bought to defend itself? I don't know.. Just the thought of it made me sick.

Lol, what alternative universe do you live in?

Pakistan has full ability to use F-16’s against india anytime including in war. In war most usa can do is stop spares for F-16’s but Pakistan would likely have some spares stockpiled in case of war.

Usa didn’t sell us aim120C5 for nothing. Usa knew quite well that they’ll be used against india offensively.

The F-16’s were bought decades ago except for blk 52’s which were bought through csf.
We had enough money for them.
Defence is first at all costs.

We can make special agreements with China to give us more J-10Cs.

We can repay back their loans after 20-year or 25-year targets.

How? We can’t even pay our current loans without taking out more loans.
Why not just let the F-16’s continue doing what they do until they come to the end of their life and are replaced by a 5th Gen fighter jet?

 

[Abid123]

How? We can’t even pay our current loans without taking out more loans.
Why not just let the F-16’s continue doing what they do until they come to the end of their life and are replaced by a 5th Gen fighter jet?

I expect F-16 to replaced by 5th generation aircraft in late 2020s or early 2030s.

 

[Sayfullah]

I expect F-16 to replaced by 5th generation aircraft in late 2020s or early 2030s.

I don’t think late 2020s. That seems too early. We’ll probably start replacing them when TFX is ready and that would probably be mid 2030s. We would probably want to replace it with a western aircraft and TFX project has already secured alternative engines from Russia and China for TFX according to Turkish Twitter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1569580736247922692

 

[MultaniGuy]

Exactly so I don’t understand why some Pakistanis so hell bent on getting rid of F-16’s when we still have legacy mirages and F-7’s flying.


Lol, what alternative universe do you live in?

Pakistan has full ability to use F-16’s against india anytime including in war. In war most usa can do is stop spares for F-16’s but Pakistan would likely have some spares stockpiled in case of war.

Usa didn’t sell us aim120C5 for nothing. Usa knew quite well that they’ll be used against india offensively.

The F-16’s were bought decades ago except for blk 52’s which were bought through csf.
We had enough money for them.
Defence is first at all costs.


How? We can’t even pay our current loans without taking out more loans.
Why not just let the F-16’s continue doing what they do until they come to the end of their life and are replaced by a 5th Gen fighter jet?

Are you in your right mind?

American F-16s come with termination switches.

China is a close ally of Pakistan. Our interests are aligned.

Just buy more J-10Cs, or work with China to produce more advanced J-10Cs with them.

Arguably Chinese Sukhoi Flankers are even better than the Russian ones.

Exactly so I don’t understand why some Pakistanis so hell bent on getting rid of F-16’s when we still have legacy mirages and F-7’s flying.


Lol, what alternative universe do you live in?

Pakistan has full ability to use F-16’s against india anytime including in war. In war most usa can do is stop spares for F-16’s but Pakistan would likely have some spares stockpiled in case of war.

Usa didn’t sell us aim120C5 for nothing. Usa knew quite well that they’ll be used against india offensively.

The F-16’s were bought decades ago except for blk 52’s which were bought through csf.
We had enough money for them.
Defence is first at all costs.


How? We can’t even pay our current loans without taking out more loans.
Why not just let the F-16’s continue doing what they do until they come to the end of their life and are replaced by a 5th Gen fighter jet?

Then China can control Gwadar for 50 years.

Pakistan can certain concessions.

Or set repaying targets after 10 or 25 years.

 

[PakFactor]

,.,.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1570059509292310529

There is a limit to begging and begharati, but Indians cross the boundary effortlessly.

 

[MultaniGuy]

There is a limit to begging and begharati, but Indians cross this say too many times.

Yes, but no more to buying American equipment ever again.

Exactly so I don’t understand why some Pakistanis so hell bent on getting rid of F-16’s when we still have legacy mirages and F-7’s flying.


Lol, what alternative universe do you live in?

Pakistan has full ability to use F-16’s against india anytime including in war. In war most usa can do is stop spares for F-16’s but Pakistan would likely have some spares stockpiled in case of war.

Usa didn’t sell us aim120C5 for nothing. Usa knew quite well that they’ll be used against india offensively.

The F-16’s were bought decades ago except for blk 52’s which were bought through csf.
We had enough money for them.
Defence is first at all costs.


How? We can’t even pay our current loans without taking out more loans.
Why not just let the F-16’s continue doing what they do until they come to the end of their life and are replaced by a 5th Gen fighter jet?

There are alternative choices.

We can repay them back buying give them raw materials or other resources, its just doesn't have to be money.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If indeed an IAF Mig-21 shot down a PAF F-16 that didn't shoot down a Su-30 what's the problem with F-16s?? It means the entire Indian narrative is 100% fake.....

 

[SecularNationalist]

Russians have pretty much fallen behind in all areas.

Yeah that's what they show you on Fox News.

 

[MajesticPug]

Russians have pretty much fallen behind in all areas. The only question is how does Russian combat aircraft offered to you compare with the USAF combat aircraft offered to you


Why assume Pakistan has to fight India ?

Read the history about India's expansionist history since WWII. See how many countries India has 'absorbed' or 'swallowed'. Pakistan was almost gone except when China distracted India with activities on India's eastern fronts.

 

[Bilal9]

,.,.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1570059509292310529

Their primary concern is Kanjoosi. They'd rather not spend money on fighter platforms and munitions especially imported stuff. Micro-sized Sina's.

They have to buy (meaning of course import) add'l munitions and sensors for Rafale now and probably increase Rafale numbers.

The French are licking at the chops to royally $haft Indians for those. Inflation will be the convenient excuse.

Yeah that's what they show you on Fox News.

Gentleman is from India. In Bangladesh section we address him as "Nathuram" - not Nahtanbob.

There is a limit to begging and begharati, but Indians cross the boundary effortlessly.

That was entertaining and so accurate....

 

[nahtanbob]

Yeah that's what they show you on Fox News.

For starters does Russia have semiconductor fabrication facilities for their electronics ?

Read the history about India's expansionist history since WWII. See how many countries India has 'absorbed' or 'swallowed'. Pakistan was almost gone except when China distracted India with activities on India's eastern fronts.

what do you think Pakistani nukes are for ?

 

[Sayfullah]

Are you in your right mind?

American F-16s come with termination switches.

China is a close ally of Pakistan. Our interests are aligned.

Just buy more J-10Cs, or work with China to produce more advanced J-10Cs with them.

Arguably Chinese Sukhoi Flankers are even better than the Russian ones.


Then China can control Gwadar for 50 years.

Pakistan can certain concessions.

Or set repaying targets after 10 or 25 years.

We don’t have enough money to replace F-16’s right now.
F-16’s don’t have termination switches.
Sukhoi and it’s derivatives have their disadvantages and it wouldn’t be wise replacing F-16’s with such a maintenance nightmare aircraft.
China SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTROL GWADAR. Our sovereignty is NOT for sale.
We should have a balanced relationship with the world.
No concessions can be made on sovereignty or our interests.
F-16’s especially blk 52’s will be flying for a long long time.

 

[SecularNationalist]

For starters does Russia have semiconductor fabrication facilities for their electronics

Mikron Group - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

VSP Mikron
Crocus Nano Electronics
Three in total.

 

[nahtanbob]

Mikron Group - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

VSP Mikron
Crocus Nano Electronics
Three in total.

Crocus Nano Electronics has 200 employees on Linkedin

http://www.vsp-mikron.com/

Look at their product line. They produce very simple ones. It has none of the complex ICs that the US military has in its systems.