Genghis khan1
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I belong to a family that iss very much into this sufism stuff for decades so I've been there, done that all. I've seen all these things very closely for years and the doubts / confusions that developed in my mind after watching these things forced me to study Quran and Hadith to find answers.
And after doing a lot of research, I have distant myself from these sufism, Urs (rituals), shrines, Peer parasti etc. I am not a saint or scholar, but I do what I consider is according to Islam as per my limited knowledge.
You mean visiting shrine is shirk and bidat.. Please give reference from quran...
If not than you are doing shirk and bidat....
We know very well what saudi has done in makkah and madina.. in last 80 years in the name of shirk and bidat..
They are true agent of US and Israel..
There is a farishta to suck out our soul so meaning it leaves with him to this dimension so why do these people go ask a dead body for things when the soul is in another dimension?not happening physcially to our body inside the qabar but in another dimension
Yes I have read all those hadith and about qabar ka azhaab.....But then again he could also see angel Gibrail and tell he was Gibrail while others saw him as an ordinary man! So what prophet saw and heard is not something we mere people can see or hear .......coz he also went where Gibrail wasnt allowed to go! So that alone speaks whatelse was blessed to him!Or you might have read the hadiths how Prophet mohammed PBUH heard the screaming coming from those graves ?
So either you become a Jinn (not sure if they are allowed to pass the barrier coz they also fall under MAKHLUK ALLAH like us.....who knows it is the Jinn replying - just to play with humans to make them worship him?) or you become the angel coz each angel has his given assignments and they do not do what they are not told to do....that is what makes them angels!Kashf is the education which access those realms inside the grave and let the living soul contact the dead soul. Like I said it is outside the realm of shariah
In many sects Khizr is counted as a Nabi (not a rasul but 1 of the thousands of Nabi).....that ability was counted as his moujzah...Did you read Surah Qahf and read the incident b/w Khizar and Hazrat Musa AS? Khizar is considered to be first Pre Islamic era Sufi in our World. Khizar Job was to execute God Wills without Ifs and Buts. Thats what original AUliya Ullah do. They execute will of God and there actions seems out of shariah. But that is the nature of there job just like Khizar.
you sound like what some say when someone accepts Islam....only the opposite...Let me tell you 1 thing regarding your happiness...Prophet said he is not from us he who doesnt want for his brother what he wants for himself! Now, as per your logic, you are happy this brother is confused? Shame on you!Honestly, I cant express my happiness in words that you got confused. I am very happy.
Firstly, there is no place for confused people in religion . i have seen that confused people very soon become atheists. but if u havent become an atheist yet, good for you.
Then what do you do on the grave and ask the dead man for things? THAT is worship! Surah Fatiha where you are asking to seek the right path is a form of worship! Asking for something to aid you in after world is a form of worship....can you enlighten me where I am saying that worshiping non ALLAH is allowed Hassaaa e ni rukan deya
There was a story where a guy said he wished he could see the unseen....and ALLAH let him but he was incapable of doing even the basics....like istinjah coz the Lotta kept praising ALLAH and he couldnt use it....Now why do you want to see the unseen? There is a reason the veil is on it!And Kashf is about invoking Allah name to let the Person see through the veil
Indeed it is esp since our guide is the Quran and ONLY ALLAH can guide whom HE wills....and ONLY ALLAH can allow you through the gate! Not sure why anyone would rely on anything less than the GREATEST (ALLAH)?When I said Master, I meant Teacher student relationship. A guide of sorts, who will guide your soul through the great vastness of space and into the Allah kingdom up in the sky. Now this is an entire complex matter
In many sects Khizr is counted as a Nabi (not a rasul but 1 of the thousands of Nabi).....that ability was counted as his moujzah...
Out of Shariah? Or out of the Quran and Hadith?
According to the Quran God's will is not praying to the dead bodies.....Nor waste money on a dead.....nor celebrate death of someone for years to come....Even in the Quran the prophet was said to be no one's father or anything but just a Rasul ALLAH.. .even he wasnt give any extraordinary title except the best known as Rasool!
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dancing , bowing before grave , mingling of man and woman ......that all happens on UrsThe place to worship at shrine is a mosque. There is no worship at grave
And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah . And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.According to the Quran God's will is not praying to the dead bodies....
Obviously these thing happens. But as you cannot declare all muslim terrorist you can't say that the people that attend Uras are all mushrik.dancing , bowing before grave , mingling of man and woman ......that all happens on Urs
Saying wali-allah or nabi as dead is showing dis-respect... I am surprised to see you using "dead" word... astaghfirullahVisiting and Praying forgiveness for dead , also Fatiha is allowed . Else asking from the dead and doing sajdah , Passing through gate to enter paradise , asking mannats all that stuff is Prohibited and is categorized as Shirk .
And for Saudi Arabia what they are doing is there amal My job is to tell you the truth and I am not speaking on behalf of the Saudis . Who is doing what I don't know ?
I am talking about dead people not Prophet in his life!And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah . And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful.
Surah An Nisa Verse 64
The important question is "Whether it is allowed in Shariah or not". I have not seen any Nas of Quran or Hadith prohibiting this. If you are aware of anything like that then kindly enlighten me.@SaG E Jillani88
What is the meaning of Sag e Jillani, Allah Pak ney apko insan banaya hey ashraf ul mahloqaat but app animal banna chahtey ho ? Better to be student or follower of Shiekh Abdul Qadir Jillani rather then Sag.
Khuda ka khouff kero! Jiss cheez say mana kiya giyea tha wahin shuru?well yes, there is a place to worship in shrines, and its easily identified and usually called a Mosque. there is one in every shrine.
Surah Zumar verse 3:
Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him [say], "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever.
Surah Anbiya verse 66:
He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?
Surah Nisa, verse 48:
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.
Surah Hajj, verse 73:
O people, an example is presented, so listen to it. Indeed, those you invoke besides Allah will never create [as much as] a fly, even if they gathered together for that purpose. And if the fly should steal away from them a [tiny] thing, they could not recover it from him. Weak are the pursuer and pursued.
Kindly give any reference from Quran. in Quran Allah said insan ko asharaf al mahloqaat banaya hey. Any sahabi R.A titled himself Sag e Rasool in his life time?The important question is "Whether it is allowed in Shariah or not". I have not seen any Nas of Quran or Hadith prohibiting this. If you are aware of anything like that then kindly enlighten me.
Kalam of Aulia is full of terms like that whether they are for Rasool Allah, Ameer ul Momeneen Ali R.a or Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani. Just two examples
Sag e Dargah e Jillani, Bahauddin Multani
Laqa e Deen e Sultani, Muhaiuuddin Jillani (Hazrat Khwaja Bahauddin Zakriya Multani)
Sag e Dargah e Meeran Shu, Chu Khwahi Qurb e Rabbani
K bar Sheran Sharaf Dard Sag e Dargah e Jillani (Sultan Bahu)
I am talking about wali-allah and prophets...I am talking about dead people not Prophet in his life!