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These are not answers of My questions.
In presence of 1200+ T90 & more T90 on possible order. What is point of producing Arjun in small numbers? Why India do not place a big order for more homogeneity and cost effectiveness........

As per you answers....... I can just smile :-)
Arjun was conceived as a consequence of PAs expected procurement of Abraham tanks. Abraham is a heavy tank, to counterweight it IA asked DRDO for a heavy Tank in place of lighter T90s. Over the years Arjun matured but PA failed to procure Abraham.

Long story short, today Arjun is way better than T90 but heavy. Its funny that IA complain of it being overweight considering it was designed that way. Also to some extend they are also influenced by russian lobby.

Army had to reduce many test parameters in favorable to T90 just make it comparable.
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But it is indeed largest contributor in Arjun program..........

m.timesofindia.com/india/Army-DRDO-fight-it-out-again-over-Arjun-and-futuristic-tanks/articleshow/48355161.cms
You should learn the difference between designing and manufacturing... And then comment!!

Why DRDO have troubles with Foreign tank then???
 
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India does not ARMATA

Look at the poor state of our adversary tank fleet

Pakistan has 1500 operational tanks 600 of them modfiedT59 ( OVER 50 years old) they look ancient

300 T80/85
600 aLKHALID a sino pak version of the T72

not a single heavey tank regiment

chinease PLA

less than 300 T99 heavey 55 tonnes plus tanks
over 1500 T96 medium tanks as per indian T90

4000+ OBSELETE T59 T85 etc..

for this reason indian army tank fleet is very capable

1000+ T90 + 650 more to follow license built in india

900 UPGRADED T72 600 IN STORAGE

249 Arjun tanks ( heavbey armour) at 60 tonnes with a massive order for 500+ in next few years

100% certatin by 2025

INDIAN AMY WILL FIELD 500-600 ARJUN MK2 TANKS

OVER 2000 T90 TANKS & 800+ UPGRADED T72

BACK UP BY OVER 150 ATTACK HELICOPTERS LIKE LAC & APACHE GUNSHIPS
 
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When will A mkII be inducted in to the armoured regiments, I would like all T55 And vijayantha tanks replaced by A mkII. Those who complain about weight it seems they have not faced big boys, arguements like due to weight they cant cross canals and bridges are silly, all future tanks will be heavier with thick skin, so IA should learn to handle these from now itself, A mkII is big and fast, not a tortoise, i think there should be a mix of T90 and AmkII during any offensive move, tank lovers like me are eagerly waiting for the Arjun mkII
 
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These are not answers of My questions.
In presence of 1200+ T90 & more T90 on possible order. What is point of producing Arjun in small numbers? Why India do not place a big order for more homogeneity and cost effectiveness........

As per you answers....... I can just smile :-)
India still not a global power, and India doesnt need Main Battle Tank (not medium battle tank) with survivable features beyond South Asia. India need hunter killer tanks only for Pakistan.

BTW, also include 100 LCH equipped with ATGM in Indian OrBat.
 
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And T90S india has is a monkey versions of the Russian original T90's, these tanks are night blind has no good armour, and there is no crew comfort, no digital displays and has problems with its electronic components in hot deserts, and the funny part is the army now wants gadgets which Arjun has in T90'S, and there is also problems procuring ammo for the T90's like there was a huge delays for procuring MANGO rounds for T90's. We should make it and use it even if it is not the best in the field, Arjun's case is like a rifle man complaining that SLR is better than LMG as the LMG is heavier.
 
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Yes.
It will carry ballistic missile :lol:
Its actually 2000 meters I think Typo mistake.
Indian army is already looking for T90MS.
I don't see any room of another tank in Indian arsenal. Inducting local faulty tanks in small numbers ......(118 Mk1, 124Mk2) indicate few lobbies still want to "earn" money by keeping the production lines of DRSO running.....
If Arjun is good enough then India must induct them in large numbers (300 per batch at least)
If it is not then better scrape it and go for more Russian tanks, like Armata........
You are bit correct but you have half knowledge, so it is better not to give your advise.
Mk1 is actually a excellent platform. It outperforms T 90 in fair competition in many parameters, Israel Team checked its performance and Get Impressed, when asked feedback they gave it the name DESERT SAFARI.
Having said that it has many issues considering it as 1st battle tank project its acceptable.
Among many 2 biggest Issues are Heavy weight render it difficult to transport by Indian Railway and also unusable in attack against Pakistan as current Indian support Infra like bridges etc dosent support its weight also it is more then 2 times costly. But it performance is better then T90 in desert area operation.
Now Mk 2 has 89 improved issues oner Mk 1 .
 
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Its actually 2000 meters I think Typo mistake.

You are bit correct but you have half knowledge, so it is better not to give your advise.
Mk1 is actually a excellent platform. It outperforms T 90 in fair competition in many parameters, Israel Team checked its performance and Get Impressed, when asked feedback they gave it the name DESERT SAFARI.
Having said that it has many issues considering it as 1st battle tank project its acceptable.
Among many 2 biggest Issues are Heavy weight render it difficult to transport by Indian Railway and also unusable in attack against Pakistan as current Indian support Infra like bridges etc dosent support its weight also it is more then 2 times costly. But it performance is better then T90 in desert area operation.
Now Mk 2 has 89 improved issues oner Mk 1 .
Frankly, every thing you said is already discussed many times in past on this forum.
Only thing which I still don't know is what "shortcomings" are overcome in Mk2 variant?
Also isn't it too soon to relate those issues "solved" in till and unless the real results of trial come to surface?

I got a friend from DRDO, as per him, IA is not interested in Arjun 2 as much as much it is in Armata...... gate of arjun will not be decided by IA, but by higher ups of Defense ministry who want Arjun in IA as it is matter of pride even if it is rejected by IA.....!
 
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@Oscar

Sir on Mk2 after mk1.
Yes it was decided to go for mk2 quickly because mk1 had some shortfalls.
No, no upgrade to mk2 is being worked upon as of now. Actually , as soon as the first 40 are operational, army will give another follow on order of about 90-100 tanks. In total about 250-300 mk2 would be built over a period of 5 years, starting 2015-2020.
Why we will not go for more than 300? Because by 2020, a lot will change and we will have access to better and improved technology.
Now coming to the shortfalls of mk2.....
You are free to believe me or not,
There are 2 problems, as of now, as explained to me by someone who was linked to mk1 and mk2 initial testings.
1. Its cost, the cost of Arjun is high, much more than T90, also its operational costs till now have been higher. Indian Army, (don't go for 40billion defence budget) have very little to spend on new purchases. Very little, so the scarce resources are being used for 1. Upgrading remaining T72s, 2. Buying new T90s and 3 . Buying new Mk2s.

2. The second problem with mk1, was spares.The spares were late, resulting in half of the mk1 unoperational at any given time. This has been worked upon, and significant improvements will be seen in next 6 months when the reports about operations of mk2 start coming.

And one more thing about its weight, let me be frank, yes its more. So what.... are Merkeva and M1 not working?


On Tejas, our nation was lagging. Nothing more nothing less. Dassault helped us to make an excellent platform, we ruined time again and again. We wasted about 20 years doing nothing about it, not even its screw and nuts.... It was always to be delayed. But all said, it is a very capable platform and quick production and subsequent upgrades will help, also getting in an private partner.
Thanks.

@Tipu7

Sir, T90MS, 300 of them are being provided for MSC only.
Moral of the story being, that both the programs are now ever closer to their "use by" date thanks to this mismanagement.
 
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thats what you are nade to beleve by your pak fauj but .... khair jane do sanu ki :sarcastic:
Nahin chutiye... Google Bhagwan is there to educate yiu

India does not ARMATA

Look at the poor state of our adversary tank fleet

Pakistan has 1500 operational tanks 600 of them modfiedT59 ( OVER 50 years old) they look ancient

300 T80/85
600 aLKHALID a sino pak version of the T72

not a single heavey tank regiment

chinease PLA

less than 300 T99 heavey 55 tonnes plus tanks
over 1500 T96 medium tanks as per indian T90

4000+ OBSELETE T59 T85 etc..

for this reason indian army tank fleet is very capable

1000+ T90 + 650 more to follow license built in india

900 UPGRADED T72 600 IN STORAGE

249 Arjun tanks ( heavbey armour) at 60 tonnes with a massive order for 500+ in next few years

100% certatin by 2025

INDIAN AMY WILL FIELD 500-600 ARJUN MK2 TANKS

OVER 2000 T90 TANKS & 800+ UPGRADED T72

BACK UP BY OVER 150 ATTACK HELICOPTERS LIKE LAC & APACHE GUNSHIPS

BS from a fanboy with "jero" knowledge of tanks or ground realities.

India does not ARMATA

Look at the poor state of our adversary tank fleet

Pakistan has 1500 operational tanks 600 of them modfiedT59 ( OVER 50 years old) they look ancient
Global fire power puts them around 2500?

300 T80/85

325 UD/T-84.

600+ upgraded Type 90s
600+ upgraded Type 85IIMs
600+ AZs

AK-II under development

Oplot M or T99a2 planned.

600 aLKHALID a sino pak version of the T72
Phunny clown .. T-90 is an upgraded variant of T-72.. AK has nothing to do with t-72.

not a single heavey tank regiment
Like the obsolete 124 Arjuns



for this reason indian army tank fleet is very capable

1000+ T90 + 650 more to follow license built in india
Only 500 in service as of yet...:lol:

900 UPGRADED T72 600 IN STORAGE
Only a few hundred upgraded -- coz of night blindness and tendencies to burst barrels using pathetic Indian ammi with low penetration.
249 Arjun tanks ( heavbey armour) at 60 tonnes with a massive order for 500+ in next few years
Only 124 Arjuns produced -- all grounded... 124 on order ...:rofl:
100% certatin by 2025

INDIAN AMY WILL FIELD 500-600 ARJUN MK2 TANKS

OVER 2000 T90 TANKS & 800+ UPGRADED T72

BACK UP BY OVER 150 ATTACK HELICOPTERS LIKE LAC & APACHE GUNSHIPS
No wonder Indian military ordered 1400 T-90s from Russia instead..:lol:
 
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India still not a global power, and India doesnt need Main Battle Tank (not medium battle tank) with survivable features beyond South Asia. India need hunter killer tanks only for Pakistan.

BTW, also include 100 LCH equipped with ATGM in Indian OrBat.
No Indian tank has hunter killer or even survivability.. The best tank in Indian service is T-90..

Talk sense,dude

From May 2015

India Grounds Most of Original Arjun Tanks

Army's fleet of Arjun tanks face technical issues; major proportion of 124 tanks in service not operational - The Economic Times

124 mk2s on order ?
 
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