UPA's Pink Revolution Makes India World's Biggest Beef Exporter

[SarthakGanguly]

Complete falsehood.USA and european populace holds other religions in contempt?No,they have issues with islam but are generally people who are not religious except the core believers every community has.Atheism is on the rise.Christmas is part of their culture.Even here durgapuja is part of our culture.Everyone participates even if they are not religious.Tradition .

None of what u say is true.All the european nations and usa are officially secular.U are living in 1700s,thats when the last wars over religion ended in europe.Treaty of westphlaia 1648 marks the beginning of the end of religion as the prime mover in europe.Why would hindu temples and mosques be favoured in russia,In india what is most favoured?-temples.See the temples whose properties number in billions due to donations.Shiekdoms are based solely on oil not their merit.China is officially athiest,they don't like islam because of xinjiang uighur problem.Christianity it holds in suspect because of problems during colonial era that led to rebellions and potential increase in western influence and that of catholic church.U people live in a world where u believe religion still dictates terms,it doesn't.Economics does.Economics dictated by technology.



I have never not admitted it,the vedic religion is what created bharatvarsha.And i'm proud of our ancient history.Not so proud of the interim **** up due to same religious superstition.But now the age of religion is past.Economic development,poverty reduction,technological advancement ,education ..these things are important.Otherwise we will again fall behind.And time crushes those who fall behind.

True. Mainstream US and Europe are secular, though they have problems with Islam (or rather it's the opposite). They are very tolerant towards Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. In fact rise of Dharmic faiths is enormous there.

Also bro - I don't know about those scriptures much. Pls don't pick me I am just getting to know stuff.
IMO - even if they are not in the Vedas and you do something - it does not make you anti Hindu. This is not 'shirk'. There is no such concept. So chill.
@Manvantaratruti - Please refute those statements with 'proper' translations... waiting

@Skull and Bones - You are still a Hindu Only nastik, but still Hindu You can leave a religion, not a way of life

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

The rise of atheism is mostly in the Scandinavian nations, where the literacy rate is highest in the world. Followed by EU, Canada and US. Notice the one thing, literacy rate and ability for critical thinking. It will take few decades for atheism to get foot hold in South East Asia.
This will provide the idea.
“Nones” on the Rise | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

Europe now is a post-Christian continent in religious sense. Not because they induced false contempt for Christianity based on Hindus writtings on Christianity, but because they observed Christianity was not compatible with modernity. That most of its ideas were too gross for today's life.

That is not the case with Hinduism. None of our religious leaders ever ever interfere politically. None of the Shankracharyas ever issue fatwas or try to topple elected govt.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Wrong reading again. Europeans gradually moved towards irreligiosity, but they still are very clear about their identity as UK has been stressing on its Christian roots, as Switzerland has banned mosque minarets. The contempt for other religions I spoke about was when those countries constitutions were being written. In USA now it is legal to religiously profile people and spy on muslims too. So much for their secularism.

Russia has a huge muslim population so when churches are being built with state money, why not mosques. Even Hindu temples are not allowed to be built as can be seen by the constant news of persecution of ISKCON time and again and the recent demolition of their only temple in Moscow.

None of the temples in India are built by the govt. Most of them are hundreds of years old. Every single one of them is built by private donations. While in Andhra pradesh the govt was sponsoring Churches and officially assisting in their maintenance and repairs. Shiekdoms are based on oil which is their resource just like other countries are based on agriculture as their resource. Depends what they did with their resources. They did not turn away from their identity. China is de facto Buddhist which is why it can build the spring temple, when is Indian govt going to build Ayodhya from state money? For all the excuses you make for China and USA about their not liking Islam, India has 1000 times more reason to not like Islam, but most seculars here are ardent promoters of Islam, and India officially preens about being the second largest muslim country.

Wrong again. The world runs on religion. That is why the Pope received so much coverage and the Western news media is trying to turn him into a new age icon. That is why there are religious wars with mostly Muslim countries being beaten up by Christian countries.

And that is my opinion too,let us be proud of our identity without religion interfering in daily life.USA and muslims have serious problem and are at a state of undeclared war of sorts,so thats not a benchmark - are other religious minorities discriminated there?No.Ur more likely to face occasional racism to the religious discrimination.They don't care.Much of the population.

Because russia has had historic problems with muslim tatars and even now a guerilla war is ongoing in chechnya.Putin even threatened saudis over their support in chechnya.
Is india not dotted with temples everywhere..does it go with ur argument that people have forgotten their identity..rubbish.Then who are making these donations.
Plz show 'ardent promoters of islam' that have asked something at the expense of hindus.They have simply disliked any attempts at segregation and discrimination .It is political parties that play vote bank politics for their own gain and try to blame secular members who want nothing more than to let each one live his life his way.

China is defacto buddhist?Just ask chinese members and their opinion on religion.Most don't care.Some chinese are confucian,buddhist and some christian.

World runs on religion.....well sorry to burst ur bubble.NO. Not since the industrial and scientific revolution it hasn't.World wars weren't on religion,neither are today's outstanding issues which are all economics/geopolitical based.The WTO the only religion based issue was a reactionary assault to a group of fanatics that has now gone out of control due to influence of a greedy military industrial complex.Do you see the UN discussing major issues based on religion?Nope.The pope is mostly a figurehead these days.The new pope is getting much publicity as he is a very moderate and polite man whose humble activities have revitalized many catholics and improved the falling image of the church.
Its not the fault of people like me that some of u continue to live in the past.Hare ram hare ram boli aurane se kuch nehi hoga,Us se ek baccha ko education milega toh desh ka bhala hoga.If all the donations on temples had gone to children's education,this country would have been saved.Ofcourse this applies to donations to mosques and churches as well.God ,doesn't need donations of money or mantras.Doing good is enough.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

I have never not admitted it,the vedic religion is what created bharatvarsha.And i'm proud of our ancient history.Not so proud of the interim **** up due to same religious superstition.But now the age of religion is past.Economic development,poverty reduction,technological advancement ,education ..these things are important.Otherwise we will again fall behind.And time crushes those who fall behind.

This is really a strawman argument. Hinduism never opposed science. More than 50% of our scientists are extremely religious Hindus. I have never seen a Hindu religious leader issue statements against stem cell research or abortion or genetics. In fact it was the Hindu religious mutts in India which gave its lands first for medical and engineering colleges to be set up when higher education in India was languishing from govt apathy and neglect.

Also it is false to say that Hindu temples holds lot of property in India. Most of it was confiscated by the govt. In India today the Church is the biggest holder of property after Indian Railways.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

This is really a strawman argument. Hinduism never opposed science. More than 50% of our scientists are extremely religious Hindus. I have never seen a Hindu religious leader issue statements against stem cell research or abortion or genetics. In fact it was the Hindu religious mutts in India which gave its lands first for medical and engineering colleges to be set up when higher education in India was languishing from govt apathy and neglect.

Also it is false to say that Hindu temples holds lot of property in India. Most of it was confiscated by the govt. In India today the Church is the biggest holder of property after Indian Railways.

Not land,gold.And i'm not saying that's illegal because our political leaders loot the country inside out.At least some part of this wealth goes into maintainence of our historic heritage.Still better it would have been if we had invested our wealth on education.
I didn't say hinduism is against science,i oppose ur contention that religion is more important than science in the current wordl and that 'religion drives the world'.It doesn't .Economics and politics does.

 

[Skull and Bones]

True. Mainstream US and Europe are secular, though they have problems with Islam (or rather it's the opposite). They are very tolerant towards Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. In

@Skull and Bones - You are still a Hindu Only nastik, but still Hindu You can leave a religion, not a way of life

True. Mainstream US and Europe are secular, though they have problems with Islam (or rather it's the opposite). They are very tolerant towards Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. In fact rise of Dharmic faiths is enormous there.

Also bro - I don't know about those scriptures much. Pls don't pick me I am just getting to know stuff.
IMO - even if they are not in the Vedas and you do something - it does not make you anti Hindu. This is not 'shirk'. There is no such concept. So chill.
@Manvantaratruti - Please refute those statements with 'proper' translations... waiting

@Skull and Bones - You are still a Hindu Only nastik, but still Hindu You can leave a religion, not a way of life

I beg to diffe, my lifestyle or way of life is in stark contrast with Hinduism, or what my parents taught me. Anyway, I don't even bother about it. As long as it doesn't interfere in my way of life.

Being born in a Hindu family doesnt make one a Hindu, same goes for Muslims and Christians. The question is, do I buy the pile of horse shyte which we were being taught in our childhood?

No

I'm as much as Hindu as not collecting coins is a hobby.

 

[Hindustani78]

True. Mainstream US and Europe are secular, though they have problems with Islam (or rather it's the opposite). They are very tolerant towards Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. In fact rise of Dharmic faiths is enormous there.

US and Europe doesn't have problem with Islam or even with Muslims and they are aware that Muslims consider Christians as people of the book .

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

And that is my opinion too,let us be proud of our identity without religion interfering in daily life.USA and muslims have serious problem and are at a state of undeclared war of sorts,so thats not a benchmark - are other religious minorities discriminated there?No.Ur more likely to face occasional racism to the religious discrimination.They don't care.Much of the population.

Other religious minorities are not discriminated overtly because they blend into the masses. All Hindus there have Christmas trees in their house on Christmas. Likewise the other minorities. None of the other minorities try to subvert the Christian character of USA. Also opposition to Hindu temples is there, but just disguised.

Because russia has had historic problems with muslim tatars and even now a guerilla war is ongoing in chechnya.Putin even threatened saudis over their support in chechnya.

So Russia has had historic problems with muslims and India has not had?

Is india not dotted with temples everywhere..does it go with ur argument that people have forgotten their identity..rubbish.Then who are making these donations.

I am talking about the state which supports native religion, not about private public.

Plz show 'ardent promoters of islam' that have asked something at the expense of hindus.They have simply disliked any attempts at segregation and discrimination .It is political parties that play vote bank politics for their own gain and try to blame secular members who want nothing more than to let each one live his life his way.

Of course, Haj subsidies, mullah pensions, madrassa support, Muslim educational institutions being tax free while Hindu educational trusts being taxed. I can go on and on. These are de facto realities of India. Do not try to hide under the guise of political parties doing it. I do not see the secular ever opposing these or getting as agitated as they do when they see Hindus ask for any consideration.

China is defacto buddhist?Just ask chinese members and their opinion on religion.Most don't care.Some chinese are confucian,buddhist and some christian.

Yes a lot of Chinese are atheists but it is going back to Taoism and Buddhism. Otherwise give me a reason why the largest Buddha statue was built in China and that too by the govt.

World runs on religion.....well sorry to burst ur bubble.NO. Not since the industrial and scientific revolution it hasn't.World wars weren't on religion,neither are today's outstanding issues which are all economics/geopolitical based.The WTO the only religion based issue was a reactionary assault to a group of fanatics that has now gone out of control due to influence of a greedy military industrial complex.Do you see the UN discussing major issues based on religion?Nope.The pope is mostly a figurehead these days.The new pope is getting much publicity as he is a very moderate and polite man whose humble activities have revitalized many catholics and improved the falling image of the church.
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Yeah right. That is why in UN the muslim countries tried to pass a resolution making it a crime to criticize Islam or their prophet. That is why it is mostly Muslims countries which are being beaten down to pulp by mostly Christian countries. Sure give it any label you want, but the people are very very clear about the truth.

The pope had been a figurehead, only now they are trying to resurrect him by heavy promotion. All the pope talks is basic socialistic policies rehashed as new Christianity.

Its not the fault of people like me that some of u continue to live in the past.Hare ram hare ram boli aurane se kuch nehi hoga,Us se ek baccha ko education milega toh desh ka bhala hoga.If all the donations on temples had gone to children's education,this country would have been saved.Ofcourse this applies to donations to mosques and churches as well.God ,doesn't need donations of money or mantras.Doing good is enough.

Then you obviously are living in a parallel universe. There are any number of schools being run by the Hindu religious organizations. The rest of your quote is just communist garbage.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Not land,gold.And i'm not saying that's illegal because our political leaders loot the country inside out.At least some part of this wealth goes into maintainence of our historic heritage.Still better it would have been if we had invested our wealth on education.
I didn't say hinduism is against science,i oppose ur contention that religion is more important than science in the current wordl and that 'religion drives the world'.It doesn't .Economics and politics does.

Typical secular mentality. Sub kuch kha pee ke hazam karlega aur phir kangal banke doosre ke ghar ke paise lootein dekhega. All that blinds your eye is the temple gold and causes a lot of dyspepsia. Well good you cannot touch the temple gold ever.

 

[Hindustani78]

Europe now is a post-Christian continent in religious sense. Not because they induced false contempt for Christianity based on Hindus writtings on Christianity, but because they observed Christianity was not compatible with modernity. That most of its ideas were too gross for today's life..

Christians are returning back to their roots in Europe and are very actively engaged in spreading the word of God.

That is not the case with Hinduism. None of our religious leaders ever ever interfere politically. None of the Shankracharyas ever issue fatwas or try to topple elected govt

Hindu religious leaders do interfere in politics actively and time to time issue statements. Even Hindu sadhus and Saints are asking to vote on the basis of religion.Dharam Sansad has openly endorsed for BJP.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

I didn't say hinduism is against science,i oppose ur contention that religion is more important than science in the current wordl and that 'religion drives the world'.It doesn't .Economics and politics does.

I never said religion is more important than science. Just like I wont get into a debate about whether air is more important for living or water.

 

[Hindustani78]

True. Some Islamists have that issue.
But why are you worked up?You are a Hindustani in India, right?

In reality there are no issues but just its similar like vote bank politics or foreign policies related to other countries.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

I beg to diffe, my lifestyle or way of life is in stark contrast with Hinduism, or what my parents taught me. Anyway, I don't even bother about it. As long as it doesn't interfere in my way of life.

Being born in a Hindu family doesnt make one a Hindu, same goes for Muslims and Christians. The question is, do I buy the pile of horse shyte which we were being taught in our childhood?

No

I'm as much as Hindu as not collecting coins is a hobby.

Agreed you are not a Hindu.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I beg to diffe, my lifestyle or way of life is in stark contrast with Hinduism, or what my parents taught me. Anyway, I don't even bother about it. As long as it doesn't interfere in my way of life.

Being born in a Hindu family doesnt make one a Hindu, same goes for Muslims and Christians. The question is, do I buy the pile of horse shyte which we were being taught in our childhood?

No

I'm as much as Hindu as not collecting coins is a hobby.

Now THAT is downright offensive and that makes you no different from this guy.

You can keep your views to yourself, please.

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Christians are returning back to their roots in Europe and are very actively engaged in spreading the word of God.

No they are not. The ones who feel the need for religion are seeking alternate religions like Buddhism or paganism or Wicca.

Hindu religious leaders do interfere in politics actively and time to time issue statements. Even Hindu sadhus and Saints are asking to vote on the basis of religion.Dharam Sansad has openly endorsed for BJP

Nope. They never did ever. But if they are doing it now, they kudos to them. High time they found their voices back again.