Unwanted: Bangladesh, Malaysia reject rescued Rohingya refugees

[Homo Sapiens]

Why should Rohingya go to China and India?

Because China and India are the direct beneficiary of Rohingya genocide and ethnic cleansing. Because of crime against Rohingyas, Burmese junta is whoring their country to China and India in exchange of protection. Before 2017 episode, Chinese were loosing influence over Myanmar as Myanmar was busy cosying up with the West and had benign relationship with OIC. But Rohingya crisis turn out as a fortune revival for China and India in Myanmar. As China and India are profiting from Rohingya blood, they should suffer some of the consequence of their immoral acts.

Where is the Islamic Ummah? Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries should welcome Rohingya until and unless this problem gets solved.

Islamic ummah is doing it's part as far as sheltering the Rohingyas. Myanmar so far driven out 90-95 percent Rohingyas from their homeland. Vast majority of these people are now residing in Muslim countries. Besides Bangladesh which is hosting 1.1 million, vast majority of remaining Rohingyas have been absorbed by other Muslim countries.

Muslim Maulanas and Imams always stress that that Kafirs are enemies of Islam and islamic ummah Zindabad.

Can you show me any prominent Muslim religious leader ever said, Non Muslims are all kafir and enemy of Islam? You have even misunderstood the term kafir. You think, non Muslim by default are kafir. This is not true. Kafir are only those non Muslim who are actively hostile to Muslim or wage war against Muslim, persecute Muslims or actively seek to obliterate Islam and Muslim. I do not know where you found such Maulana or Imam who says all non Muslims are kafir. I have never heard any Bangladeshi Maulana projecting entire Non Muslim population as Kafir and enemy of Muslim. Please do not give reference of ISIS terrorists as the spokes person of global Muslims. Those terrorist represent no one except for themselves.

But why at the end of the day muslims ask for shelter in non muslim lands instead of muslim countries?

So you want giving shelter or helping human being in distress only based upon on religious criteria? Muslim should help only Muslim, Christian only help Christian, Hindu only help Hindu? etc. etc.? If you want 'Muslim countries should care for only Muslim and Non Muslim countries should care for only Non Muslims' policy then where this policy will stop? Should Muslim countries expel their Non Muslim minority and Non Muslim countries their Muslim minority? Should there be 'great wall' between Muslim and Non Muslim world to prevent all kind of population movement between them? Should a Muslim country only export natural resource to other Muslim countries and vice versa? Should the world become two hostile and mutually exclusive zone namely 'Muslim only countries' and 'Non Muslim only countries'? When you ask only Muslim countries to shelter the Rohingyas you are indirectly advocating all of these hypothetical situations.

I asked China and India to shelter Rohingyas not because they are non Muslim, but because they are profiting from Rohingya genocide and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Tom-tom]

What makes you think Pakistan will never help bangladesh? Do you have proof?

I am a pakistani kashmiri and i feel fool bangladesh and for sure if helping bangladesh and malaysia solves this problem for all then surely we will help.

It is a problem lingering for a while now. If bangla-desh Pakistan and malaysia try together alomg with good books of china are used surely the crisis can be solved with unity with in burmese land.

However if we purposely want the crisis to go on then however it is a different situation and i might not be aware of national interest gains from it.

Are in gov administration in Pakistan? The fact Pakistan making no objections over supplying jf-17 says a lot. That's my proof .

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Are in gov administration in Pakistan? The fact Pakistan making no objections over supplying jf-17 says a lot. That's my proof .

To be honest Pakistan army and Myanmar army relationship is good and healthy since 1947. Even Myanmar was the escape route for many Pakistani soldiers during 1971 war.

Not suprising because both are army run nation close to China.

 

[Robbie]

As already one hundred thousand Rohingyas are living in Malaysia, I think Malaysia has done it's part of sheltering Rohingyas. Now it is the turn of other countries. Specially the enabler of Rohingya genocide who are sheltering Burmese junta and hampering any solution to this problem. Rohingyas need to become a problem for China and India, not Malaysia.

You want India to shelter these terrorists? No thanks.

Myanmar Rohingya militants massacred Hindus, says Amnesty
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44206372

 

[Homo Sapiens]

You want India to shelter these terrorists? No thanks.

Myanmar Rohingya militants massacred Hindus, says Amnesty
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44206372

Just a few days ago, RSS goons killed 40 Muslims in Delhi, many more in the past. Should we ban entry of all Indian Hindus in Bangladesh? May be you will say, Indian Hindus do not need to go to Bangladesh, should gulf Muslim countries ban entry of Indian Hindus(all terrorists as per your logic) in their country?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Because China and India are the direct beneficiary of Rohingya genocide and ethnic cleansing. Because of crime against Rohingyas, Burmese junta is whoring their country to China and India in exchange of protection. Before 2017 episode, Chinese were loosing influence over Myanmar as Myanmar was busy cosying up with the West and had benign relationship with OIC. But Rohingya crisis turn out as a fortune revival for China and India in Myanmar. As China and India are profiting from Rohingya blood, they should suffer some of the consequence of their immoral acts.

Islamic ummah is doing it's part as far as sheltering the Rohingyas. Myanmar so far driven out 90-95 percent Rohingyas from their homeland. Vast majority of these people are now residing in Muslim countries. Besides Bangladesh which is hosting 1.1 million, vast majority of remaining Rohingyas have been absorbed by other Muslim countries.

Can you show me any prominent Muslim religious leader ever said, Non Muslims are all kafir and enemy of Islam? You have even misunderstood the term kafir. You think, non Muslim by default are kafir. This is not true. Kafir are only those non Muslim who are actively hostile to Muslim or wage war against Muslim, persecute Muslims or actively seek to obliterate Islam and Muslim. I do not know where you found such Maulana or Imam who says all non Muslims are kafir. I have never heard any Bangladeshi Maulana projecting entire Non Muslim population as Kafir and enemy of Muslim. Please do not give reference of ISIS terrorists as the spokes person of global Muslims. Those terrorist represent no one except for themselves.

So you want giving shelter or helping human being in distress only based upon on religious criteria? Muslim should help only Muslim, Christian only help Christian, Hindu only help Hindu? etc. etc.? If you want 'Muslim countries should care for only Muslim and Non Muslim countries should care for only Non Muslims' policy then where this policy will stop? Should Muslim countries expel their Non Muslim minority and Non Muslim countries their Muslim minority? Should there be 'great wall' between Muslim and Non Muslim world to prevent all kind of population movement between them? Should a Muslim country only export natural resource to other Muslim countries and vice versa? Should the world become two hostile and mutually exclusive zone namely 'Muslim only countries' and 'Non Muslim only countries'? When you ask only Muslim countries to shelter the Rohingyas you are indirectly advocating all of these hypothetical situations.

I asked China and India to shelter Rohingyas not because they are non Muslim, but because they are profiting from Rohingya genocide and ethnic cleansing.

"Myanmar was busy cosying up with the West and had benign relationship with OIC"

Myanmar and OIC? Myanmar is a Buddhist country and OIC is an Islamic organisation. They never had any common grounds to form a relationship.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

"Myanmar was busy cosying up with the West and had benign relationship with OIC"

Myanmar and OIC? Myanmar is a Buddhist country and OIC is an Islamic organisation. They never had any common grounds to form a relationship.

By OIC, I meant Muslim countries, not the organization itself. After this crisis, Myanmar suffered a reputation crisis among the Muslim countries. Now, Global Muslims have only one impression about Myanmar, that is 'Muslim killer and persecutor'. As far as I know, Aung San Suu Kyi could not travelled to Malaysia and Indonesia till date, although she travelled to all other ASEAN countries. Even in distant Egypt, Burmese embassy was attacked, Maldives broke off trade relationship. Muslim countries may not openly took position against Myanmar, but there are certainly a 'disgust' about Myanmar which will hamper Myanmar's 'friendly' relation with Muslim countries. Even OIC organization was instrumental at bringing Myanmar to the tribunal at The Hague. This has massively damaged Myanmar and Suu Kyi's reputation in global consciousness. Now even Western democracies hesitate dealing with Myanmar due to this bad reputation. Which can be seen by declining FDI and tourist arrival from the Western countries in Myanmar.

And do not forget Bangladesh. Bangladesh is part of OIC, direct neighbor, due to this crisis, relation with Myanmar is freezed. Myanmar could have exported many things in Bangladesh. But now trade relation between Bangladesh and Myanmar is almost non existent. Only a couple of million dollar trade happen between this two close neighbors which are connected by both land and maritime border.

 

[atan651]

Wealth and power rule the day, it's really quite simple.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

By OIC, I meant Muslim countries, not the organization itself. After this crisis, Myanmar suffered a reputation crisis among the Muslim countries. Now, Global Muslims have only one impression about Myanmar, that is 'Muslim killer and persecutor'. As far as I know, Aung San Suu Kyi could not travelled to Malaysia and Indonesia till date, although she pretty much travelled to all other ASEAN countries. Even in distant Egypt, Burmese embassy was attacked, Maldives broke off trade relationship. Muslim countries may not openly took position against Myanmar, but there are certainly a 'disgust' about Myanmar which will hamper Myanmar's 'friendly' relation with Muslim countries. Even OIC organization was instrumental at bringing Myanmar to the tribunal at The Hague. This has massively damaged Myanmar and Suu Kyi's reputation in global consciousness. Now even Western democracies hesitate dealing with Myanmar due to this bad reputation. Which can be seen by declining FDI and tourist arrival from the Western countries in Myanmar.

And do not forget, Bangladesh. Bangladesh is part of OIC, direct neighbor, due to this crisis, relation with Myanmar is freezed. Myanmar could have exported many things in Bangladesh. But now trade relation between Bangladesh and Myanmar is almost non existent. Only a couple of million dollar trade happen between this two close neighbors which are connected by both land and maritime border.

Nothing will happen. Myanmar still has trade and military ties with numerous muslim countries.

Myanmar is not like Israel. Unlike Israel- Palestine conflict, Muslim sentiment is not strong when it comes to the Rohingya conflict.

Pakistan sold jf-17 to Myanmar, many Muslim countries are still trading with Myanmar.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Nothing will happen. Myanmar still has trade and military ties with numerous muslim countries.

Myanmar is not like Israel. Unlike Israel- Palestine conflict, Muslim sentiment is not strong when it comes to the Rohingya conflict.

Pakistan sold jf-17 to Myanmar, many Muslim countries are still trading with Myanmar.

China sold JF-17 to Myanmar, not Pakistan. Although Pakistan probably also would have sold if Myanmar requested. For Pakistan, finding customer for JF-17 is paramount importance.

And it would be foolish to expect all Muslim countries will completely broke off relation with Myanmar or any other country. International diplomacy do not work in such extreme ways. Otherwise you would have seen the world countries are completely compartmentalized in line of religion, ideology or political loyalty. Even during the height of cold war, the ideological enemy USA and USSR maintained healthy trade relation. India and Pakistan fought four full fledged war and numerous skirmish, still they never cut-off diplomatic relation or trade relation. So Myanmar will continue to interact with Muslim world but the engagement may not be as straight forward as if Rohingya crisis had not happened. I have already told you Suu Kyi still could not visit Indonesia and Malaysia, although she visited every other ASEAN countries. Is it just coincidence?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Pakistan will never help Bangladesh on this issue, they don't stand to gain. International geopolitics and diplomacy is all about gains and losses.

Myanmar is an ally of China and Rakhine state has billions dollars of Chinese investment. China wants to keep their investments safe, and for the time being that means keeping the baboon regime in Burma in power.

Any attempts made by Pakistan, will not be reciprocated by China.

Rakhine state and CHT was once one region. The British divided it and gave 1/4th to Bangladesh and 3/4 to Myanmar.

Rakhine state and CHT are both very very important to both Bangladesh and Myanmar but Rakhine state has more to offer as it is 3 times bigger than CHT and is not landlocked like CHT.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Rakhine state and CHT was once one region. The British divided it and gave 1/4th to Bangladesh and 3/4 to Myanmar.

Rakhine state and CHT are both very very important to both Bangladesh and Myanmar but Rakhine state has more to offer as it is 3 times bigger than CHT and is not landlocked like CHT.

What are the ethnic groups native to Rakhine? Any tribes from CHT live in Rakhine as well ?

 

[Buddhistforlife]

What are the ethnic groups native to Rakhine? Any tribes from CHT live in Rakhine as well ?

Some tribal people can be found in both Bangladesh and Myanmar while there are tribal exclusive to both the countries.

Chakmas can be found only in Bangladesh and in India. Marma people can be found in Bangladesh and Myanmar. Rakhine people can be found in both Bangladesh and Myanmar. Thet people and Kamein people can be found only in Myanmar.

There are Barua people in Myanmar too both in the Rakhine state and elsewhere in Myanmar. I know two or three Barua people who live in Myanmar. But barua are called Marmagri in Myanmar and are among the 135 races in Myanmar.

The Rohingyas unfortunately are one such race who are not being accepted neither in Bangladesh or Myanmar.