Unseen 2nd day video of LCA flight @ Baharin airshow

[TaimiKhan]

Hi,

This is not a true short take off in real sense---it is a FAKE short take off----.

To show off---the aircraft become airworthy---very quick----but supposedly does not have the power to climb----so it flies parallel to the run way for another 10 + seconds to gain speed and power to zoom up---

I hope my indian colleagues don't get mad at my term----the punjabi saying holds true---bund da zor la reyha aiy charhan laiy----in the parallel flight to the runway----to zoom up.

Just to let you indians know---when I comment on pakistani aircraft and their systems---I don't kiss their ar-se----when I comment on the indian systems---actually---I hardly ever criticize them----I don't need to kiss your ar-se either--- .

If you are statisfied with this aircraft----as a pakistabni---I am very happy---actually I am ecstatic----nothing could make me happier at this moment other than a massive lottery win---but if you want me to be critical to what you have been shown and be true to hindustan----then you need to rip your enigineers and babus another a'hole---.

You have been delivered a POS----. At least out of the MIG21 we got the 21st century version of an extremely potent fighter aircraft the JF 17----what did you get out of the Tejas---a frigging Mirage after all this drama----oh kehnday nain---Bhah smeelay kih keeta---oh jee bund marwa kaiy dudh peeta---.

You indians are so fckd up----it is a bloody comedy----you could have gotten the Gripen NG or the next version---or you could have gotten the F16 IN---with all the manufacturing facilities and light years ahead of Tejas---and the rights to produce them----lock stock and barrel in years to come.

The swedes were pi-ssed off at the pakistanis for stealing their design of the gripen and the americas really really wanted to reward you----both of these natios would have given you the product beyond your imagination----but you guys wanted to die by your own sword----.

Many a years ago---on this forum I worte----there are those in the indian bureaucracy who don't want india to get much ahead of pakistan----. Tejas is a living proof of that.

Now you guys can all yell and scream at me---but some of you will stop and think at what I am saying---.

Khoda pahar aur nikla chooha---.

That is one true statement. When it comes to Pak related things and Mastan bhai is pissed, he demolishes it.

 

[mirage]

Hi,

Absolutely---please do rejoice and distribute sweets and congratulate everyone in your group and otherwise---.

If you people are happy and ecstatic with an extremely shi-tty product---as an enemy----who the heck am I to complain---.



Sir---use some brains---make some sense out of your post---. Where does the media or raw come into the picture---Kaho Khait ki---suno Khalian ki----kamal hai--.

chachaji , thand rakho ( thandi thandi lassi peoo ) , imarat abhi zere tamir hai , wese aapji ne video dekhya nava nakoor wala ?

 

[rubyjackass]

Hi,

This is not a true short take off in real sense---it is a FAKE short take off----.

To show off---the aircraft become airworthy---very quick----but supposedly does not have the power to climb----so it flies parallel to the run way for another 10 + seconds to gain speed and power to zoom up---

I hope my indian colleagues don't get mad at my term----the punjabi saying holds true---bund da zor la reyha aiy charhan laiy----in the parallel flight to the runway----to zoom up.

Just to let you indians know---when I comment on pakistani aircraft and their systems---I don't kiss their ar-se----when I comment on the indian systems---actually---I hardly ever criticize them----I don't need to kiss your ar-se either--- .

If you are statisfied with this aircraft----as a pakistabni---I am very happy---actually I am ecstatic----nothing could make me happier at this moment other than a massive lottery win---but if you want me to be critical to what you have been shown and be true to hindustan----then you need to rip your enigineers and babus another a'hole---.

You have been delivered a POS----. At least out of the MIG21 we got the 21st century version of an extremely potent fighter aircraft the JF 17----what did you get out of the Tejas---a frigging Mirage after all this drama----oh kehnday nain---Bhah smeelay kih keeta---oh jee bund marwa kaiy dudh peeta---.

You indians are so fckd up----it is a bloody comedy----you could have gotten the Gripen NG or the next version---or you could have gotten the F16 IN---with all the manufacturing facilities and light years ahead of Tejas---and the rights to produce them----lock stock and barrel in years to come.

The swedes were pi-ssed off at the pakistanis for stealing their design of the gripen and the americas really really wanted to reward you----both of these natios would have given you the product beyond your imagination----but you guys wanted to die by your own sword----.


Many a years ago---on this forum I worte----there are those in the indian bureaucracy who don't want india to get much ahead of pakistan----. Tejas is a living proof of that.

Now you guys can all yell and scream at me---but some of you will stop and think at what I am saying---.

Khoda pahar aur nikla chooha---.

F16 is not much better. I guess single engined aircraft can only do so much. F-22 on the other hand could do vertical climb in about 5 seconds after takeoff.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Hi,

This is not a true short take off in real sense---it is a FAKE short take off----.

To show off---the aircraft become airworthy---very quick----but supposedly does not have the power to climb----so it flies parallel to the run way for another 10 + seconds to gain speed and power to zoom up---

I hope my indian colleagues don't get mad at my term----the punjabi saying holds true---bund da zor la reyha aiy charhan laiy----in the parallel flight to the runway----to zoom up.

Just to let you indians know---when I comment on pakistani aircraft and their systems---I don't kiss their ar-se----when I comment on the indian systems---actually---I hardly ever criticize them----I don't need to kiss your ar-se either--- .

If you are statisfied with this aircraft----as a pakistabni---I am very happy---actually I am ecstatic----nothing could make me happier at this moment other than a massive lottery win---but if you want me to be critical to what you have been shown and be true to hindustan----then you need to rip your enigineers and babus another a'hole---.

You have been delivered a POS----. At least out of the MIG21 we got the 21st century version of an extremely potent fighter aircraft the JF 17----what did you get out of the Tejas---a frigging Mirage after all this drama----oh kehnday nain---Bhah smeelay kih keeta---oh jee bund marwa kaiy dudh peeta---.

You indians are so fckd up----it is a bloody comedy----you could have gotten the Gripen NG or the next version---or you could have gotten the F16 IN---with all the manufacturing facilities and light years ahead of Tejas---and the rights to produce them----lock stock and barrel in years to come.

The swedes were pi-ssed off at the pakistanis for stealing their design of the gripen and the americas really really wanted to reward you----both of these natios would have given you the product beyond your imagination----but you guys wanted to die by your own sword----.


Many a years ago---on this forum I worte----there are those in the indian bureaucracy who don't want india to get much ahead of pakistan----. Tejas is a living proof of that.

Now you guys can all yell and scream at me---but some of you will stop and think at what I am saying---.

Khoda pahar aur nikla chooha---.

This video itself graphics by bollywood animators from the movie called "Tejas whipped your ***"

Hi,

You are one stupid guy----it is not a fake video---it is a real video---.

But a faked short take off by the pilot-----. The video has nothing to do with being faked or anything but only showing what is recorded in real time----.

You are dumber than a door knob.

Indian airforce is itself fake... Rumours hope you don't believe in Stories.

That is one true statement. When it comes to Pak related things and Mastan bhai is pissed, he demolishes it.

Not wonder he is. Because first they said Pakistan is superior to Indians... Seems wrong

Pakistan army better than Indian army. Seems fake too

Pakistan missile systems are superior to Indians seems lie

Now their wonder troll object Tejas ripped apart their one and only hope for front line Fighter jet...

 

[Rahil khan]

F16 is not much better. I guess single engined aircraft can only do so much. F-22 on the other hand could do vertical climb in about 5 seconds after takeoff.

J-10s vertical climb in under 5 seconds......!

 

[cerberus]

J-10s vertical climb in under 5 seconds......!

Really Plane was already Moving From the starting of the Video Secondly It only Sustain Its Vertical lift for just 4 seconds or so

 

[ANPP]

Beef burger for me.

Aray koi btay ga iss jet ki approximate cost kitni hay? Double the cost of JF-17?

I can provide pork burger with subsidy, if you want.

Welll, what is the cost of JF17. Offcourse, LCA price is higher than JF. Quality comes with value. Dont you know that?

 

[Ind4Ever]

Terrific display of TEJAS capabilities!!! Most intense demo I have ever seen for a very long time. I got same goosebumps feeling when I watched Su35 demo for the first time.

Look at what we have pulled off here? Honest cheers from very enthusiastic crowd at Bahrain.

One thing is for sure. This video will shut up those who give loose talks about Tejas. It's far beyond F16 or gripin. Let alone JF17. I don't think it's so wise to compare jf17 with Tejas.

Reasons?

1) Tejas will get out of trouble if there it has to to face F16 in a dog fight. Tejas turning radius is I belive much more smaller than F16 or even many high cost 4.5 jets.

2) Tejas upgrades is not just a hope but a real work on progress for the first customer IAF. This mean little Fighter with EW, reduced weight, improved AESA radar and advanced weapon systems basically Israeli Russian and Indian would make it most feared Fighter jet in Indian subcontinent and beyond.

3) Tejas has Naval variant too. Unlike JF17 Tejas Naval variant will be capable of short takeoff landing, High angle of attack and tuned for taking on harsh Sea conditions and carrier operations could put this Fighter in a very different league.

Massive amounts of upgrades waiting for Naval Tejas which I believes will be known as MK2. With more wing space, more bigger fuselage, bigger Engine optimization and never the less better space management and built-in EW systems.

Wow wow wow....

Tejas team you just surprised us. It's high time this June July live weapon systems will be tested as planned along with Bramos A test from modified Sukois MKI.

No comparison between Tejas and JF17 please.

Really Plane was already Moving From the starting of the Video Secondly It only Sustain Its Vertical lift for just 4 seconds or so

Tejas turning out to be F16 beater already. Still lots more upgrades to come. At current form it better be inducted into iaf. Mk1p should be even better.

J10 is old Israeli f16 ripoff.

From Bharat Karnad

three technical/performance aspects relating to the Indian LCA’s display have really impressed everybody in Bahrain:

(2) The turning radius of roughly 350 meters compared say to the US F-16’s 426-428 meters and the F-16, mind you, is virtually the gold standard for agility in combat aircraft. This means that in a dogfight Tejas could get inside of F-16’s loop and get on its tail more effectively than the US aircraft could do anything to avoid getting blown out of the skies.

(3) The low-speed handling characteristics of the LCA (necessary for effective prosecution of air-to-ground missions) has been a standout attribute, courtesy its compound delta wing (see

). This is what the
experts are talking in hushed tones about, especially as it is manifestly better than those in the same mission profile of the French Mirage 2000 in the IAF fleet, and comparable to the French Rafale IAF is pining for and which Prime Minister Modi, with little forethought, has committed himself to buying at an exorbitant price of some Rs. 63,000 crores for 36 aircraft with weapon load, i.e., Rs 1,750 crores per aircraft with NO technology transfer whatsoever!! In other words, the country could buy 14 Tejas Mk-1 for the cost of JUST ONE Rafale!! So, what are IAF’s reasons again for hitching a good part of India’s defence acquisitions budget to this buy? Go figure!!!

This hate Rafale deal so leave that part alone. Rafale is a must which can do lots more than just taking sharp turns. His love for Russian mal is well known. But what he says does makes sense no wonder. JF17 was take out of Bahrain.

 

[mirage]

J-10s vertical climb in under 5 seconds......!

yea , but i never saw it halt and then accelerate . not complete start up video sir , nice try though ! .

 

[MastanKhan]

F16 is not much better. I guess single engined aircraft can only do so much. F-22 on the other hand could do vertical climb in about 5 seconds after takeoff.

Hi,

That is a good video to compare----if I had not seen otherwise.

Now---you may see these on videos----but me---living close the hill afb----one could go and sit on the south side of the runway on 193 in their vehicle and see the F16's take off----.

And wonder what---on a given day one could see an F16----lift off---tuck its wheels in and rocket straight up without all that parallel flying----that was the early 80's.

But a nice video to counter----.

 

[rubyjackass]

J-10s vertical climb in under 5 seconds......!

Simple physics tells us that aircraft need a minimum velocity before then can climb. Otherwise all aircraft would be launching and landing like rockets. Whether they velocity is attained after take off or before takeoff is immaterial. The time before climb seems to be roughly same for F16, Tejas and J-7. And all these comparable engines, so if it is possible for J7 to climb super fast, I am sure they would have tuned F16s as well to the same performance or if the airframe does not support it, made another aircraft with same engine which can do the same magic.

Hi,

That is a good video to compare----if I had not seen otherwise.

Now---you may see these on videos----but me---living close the hill afb----one could go and sit on the south side of the runway on 193 in their vehicle and see the F16's take off----.

And wonder what---on a given day one could see an F16----lift off---tuck its wheels in and rocket straight up without all that parallel flying----that was the early 80's.

But a nice video to counter----.

That must be a great experience, at hill AFB.

I found an F-15 video here. Takes about 10s to climb, but the vertical climb is not exactly vertical.

I think the purpose of Tejas demo was to show that it can
1. take off from a really short runway and then
2. show a vertical climb as quickly as possible after liftoff.

The time taken from the moment the aircraft started to move and to achieve vertical climb seems to be comparable to that of F-16 and J-7.

 

[Nilgiri]

also the short takeoff was amazing on the first day. is it me or its short take off is even shorter to that of F-16 and gripen??

I found this graph to very predictive in actual combat scenario. can someone rate tejas in this graph?

The biggest question is what altitude and speed are these figures at?

Taking points and judging whole curves by them is quite an incomplete analysis.

Take a look at what I mean with Mirage 2000 for example:

 

[I.R.A]

I can provide pork burger with subsidy, if you want.

I don't trust every other Noora Kasai for my beef sorry, and specially with the ones who offer subsidy well I am always conscious who knows they may be selling cow instead what they promise.

Welll, what is the cost of JF17. Offcourse, LCA price is higher than JF. Quality comes with value. Dont you know that?

Ha ha ha again ha ha ha. Really.............................

 

[dadeechi]

I declare whoever refuses to induct LCA into IAF in good number is a treacherous fellow consumed with kickbacks from foreign vendors . Period .
You can't fool us with silly excuses now.

Whether they were excuses or genuine concerns, they have turned into a blessing in disguise by setting the bar so high.

 

[AyanRay]

Ha ha ha again ha ha ha. Really.............................

Yes, Really. The engine of Tejas costs almost double that of The Russian engine, which is a magnet of sorts for heat seeking missiles and cannot fly for too long in afterburner role. Then carbon composites costs a lot more than steel or aluminum. Further AESA radar also increases the cost when compared to manually controlled radars.