Unknown helicopter bites dust in Afghanistan

[YeBeWarned]

if an Afghan is Flying it than i won't be surprised that it Crashes, Hashish Army can't even stand still .. let alone fly anything

 

[SIPRA]

Taliban statement

Taliban are also not claiming a shoot down, but a crash.

 

[American Pakistani]

This is what happen when you get training in India.

 

[Meliodas]

it was a US CH 47 Chinook helicopter being used for a night raid against taliban, carrying ANA special forces. most probabally made a hard landing and wreckage later detroyed by airstrike.

Wreckage doesn't look like Chinook at all

 

[Imran Khan]

dint banya gift two helicopters to aghan forces few days back? is this the one?

they were scrap as previous batch these choppers are good for photo shot only

 

[Ghost 125]

Wreckage doesn't look like Chinook at all

wreckage look like nothing at all becoz it has been deliberately destroyed by airstrike as standrd procedure of US and NATO forces. the heli fell in taliban area and could not be salvaged so they destroyed it.

 

[Meliodas]

wreckage look like nothing at all becoz it has been deliberately destroyed by airstrike as standrd procedure of US and NATO forces. the heli fell in taliban area and could not be salvaged so they destroyed it.

There is a video which shows sizable parts of the heli

 

[Ghost 125]

There is a video which shows sizable parts of the heli

According to Colonel David Butler, a spokesman for US Forces Afghanistan, a CH-47 Chinook helicopter “hit the ground hard on the way to drop passengers off” during a mission in Helmand province.

Butler said the helicopter had been totally destroyed during the landing.

“Both Afghan and US personnel were injured but all are stable and expected to recover,” he told AFP.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...r-destroyed-in-Afghanistan-hard-landing-.html

 

[khail007]

Is this news confirmed? Media is reporting that a US helicopter destroyed, during hard landing, due to some technical fault. Crew injured.

Yes, any US plane/heli shot down in war zone is always subject to technical glitch - that is usual.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Heard it was a gifted Mi 24 from india

 

[LeGenD]

Yes, any US plane/heli shot down in war zone is always subject to technical glitch - that is usual.

Not necessarily, helicopters which are struck are reported as such, but every incident cannot be attributed to ground fire without evidence.

Afghanistan is noted for its harsh geographical features and hot climatic conditions, and these factors can influence the course of operations at times. YOU can overcome people, but YOU cannot beat nature.

 

[khail007]

Not necessarily, helicopters which are struck are reported as such, but every incident cannot be attributed to ground fire without evidence.

Afghanistan is noted for its harsh geographical features and hot climatic conditions, and these factors can influence the course of operations at times. YOU can overcome people, but YOU cannot beat nature.

In this case, let's agree to disagree. USA got proven track records of lies.
Just note in Kargil and 27/02; Indians also staged the same dramas of technical glitches - here our brothers do extensive analysis and proven the claims wrong and even details are clearing thru Indian authorities themselves as the investigation goes on, specifically downing of MI-17.

 

[LeGenD]

In this case, let's agree to disagree. USA got proven track records of lies.
Just note in Kargil and 27/02; Indians also staged the same dramas of technical glitches - here our brothers do extensive analysis and proven the claims wrong and even details are clearing thru Indian authorities themselves as the investigation goes on, specifically downing of MI-17.

Refer to you this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/no-evidence-of-the-loss-of-an-f-16.618802/

In the absence of the Western Information Machine debunking Indian state-driven propaganda in relation to developments on February 27, 2019, Pakistan stood no chance at countering it on its own because we do not have comparable reach, and Think Tanks with excellent tools and resources.

If the helicopter in question was shot down, this reality will become known, but if not, then futile narrative-building. Helicopter-related crashes can be due to pilot error, heated conditions, lot of dust, or due to hostile fire - can be anything.

NATO military-related reporting is normally accurate, politics notwithstanding.

This might also surprise you: Taliban's most recent Spring Offensive have flopped - not much to show. All these accounts of civilian deaths popping up recently - ANA took the fight to Taliban's so-called shadow regions and killed many with support from USAF.

First hint: https://www.tolonews.com/afghanistan/taliban’s-spring-offensive-has-failed-khalid

Russia have scheduled a meeting between the Taliban and the Afghan government in Moscow: https://www.tolonews.com/index.php/...ticians-taliban-members-attend-meeting-moscow

Now the Taliban will talk.

 

[khail007]

Refer to you this thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/no-evidence-of-the-loss-of-an-f-16.618802/

In the absence of the Western Information Machine debunking Indian state-driven propaganda in relation to developments on February 27, 2019, Pakistan stood no chance at countering it on its own because we do not have comparable reach, and Think Tanks with excellent tools and resources.

If the helicopter in question was shot down, this reality will become known, but if not, then futile narrative-building. Helicopter-related crashes can be due to pilot error, heated conditions, lot of dust, or due to hostile fire - can be anything.

NATO military-related reporting is normally accurate, politics notwithstanding.

This might also surprise you: Taliban's most recent Spring Offensive have flopped - not much to show. All these accounts of civilian deaths popping up recently - ANA took the fight to Taliban's so-called shadow regions and killed many with support from USAF.

First hint: https://www.tolonews.com/afghanistan/taliban’s-spring-offensive-has-failed-khalid

Russia have scheduled a meeting between the Taliban and the Afghan government in Moscow: https://www.tolonews.com/index.php/...ticians-taliban-members-attend-meeting-moscow

Now the Taliban will talk.

Respect for your opinion but not convinced. USA/West have the more disinformation mechanism in the world and proved while finding WMD in Iraq. They propagate lies in such blatant and forceful manner that people like us with no resources started to believe it is truth. Whatever they want to hide/unhide, it depends upon on their interests.
For example, how we know the truth as today everything revolves against lies. Who knows Taliban/USA winning the war in Afghanistan or loosing. But your actions tell, when you release ex-terrorists from Guantanamo and start to negotiate them on table, even a blind could predict, who got the upper hand.
When one claim that these are handful of miscreants in Afghanistan and suddenly you go to the table after hitting your head against the wall with all state of the art weapons at your disposal then one could understand what is actually going on the ground though propaganda war is else.

 

[LeGenD]

Respect for your opinion but not convinced. USA/West have the more disinformation mechanism in the world and proved while finding WMD in Iraq. They propagate lies in such blatant and forceful manner that people like us with no resources started to believe it is truth. Whatever they want to hide/unhide, it depends upon on their interests.
For example, how we know the truth as today everything revolves against lies. Who knows Taliban/USA winning the war in Afghanistan or loosing. But your actions tell, when you release ex-terrorists from Guantanamo and start to negotiate them on table, even a blind could predict, who got the upper hand.
When one claim that these are handful of miscreants in Afghanistan and suddenly you go to the table after hitting your head against the wall with all state of the art weapons at your disposal then one could understand what is actually going on the ground though propaganda war is else.

Go through this post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tipu...ollaborators-of-the-day.616761/#post-11426714

Since a Republican President was responsible for building a case against Iraq and subjecting it to 'regime change' agency, Democrats capitalized on this rather unpopular development for political gains, and spread the word that Iraq had no WMD; some of the most powerful Western media outlets are pro-Democrats.

At present, you might have noticed how Democrats almost convinced the public of Donald Trump having relations with Russia and the two colluded to crash the Clintons in the elections. However, FBI-led investigation found these accusations baseless, but the damage was done as witnessed in Mid-term elections.

American politics is increasingly polarized due to which information outflows can be self-contradictory in regards to certain US-led developments. And people all over the world pick those bits which conform to their belief - and the cycle continues.

Furthermore, various countries including Russia, Iran and China have their respective interests and give their own spin to various developments around the world.

I just try to unmask facts from beneath the vast layers of narratives, counter-narratives, propaganda, information-warfare and such.

Back to the helicopter-related incident, so far the information is that a CH-47 crash-landed during a course of an operation. Nothing unsual or out-of-ordinary, and I am surprised that this rather inconsequential incident created much debate.

A Mexican Mi-17 helicopter crashed recently: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thedef...-navy-mi-17-helicopter-crash-forest-fire/amp/

- must be drug dealers, right?

Come on.

These stories are good propaganda-coup materials in short. Let us hope that Afghanistan steer itself towards the path of stability which is also essential for lasting peace in Pakistan. Heavy-handed tactics of either Taliban or ANA is road to nowhere.