Unity.

[Stephen Cohen]

Might I mention Sanskrit is also from West. Vedas was composed in the West.

What exactly do you mean by WEST

@Kaptaan

Urdu is a derivative of Hindi ; Hindi existed LONG before Urdu was born

Urdu originated in Gangaland

 

[shahbaz baig]

yes we need unity & visionary thought too, for this we need to get rid of Pakistan's corrupt mafia and exactly we are doing right now.
No Corruption means prosperity and prosperity brings unity otherwise anchary will only produce more differences.

Not only unity as nation but also we need international unity, but we have failed due to our pathetic foreign policies. In my Opinion Pakistan first. so if you have to handshake even with Israel then dont hesitate just like KSA did so why not us? but unfortunately we are strong in democratic revenge within country to fight together but very weak in democratic revenge worldwide to fight with enemy.

 

[Jugger]

One token nigga do not maketh equality. Again look what I said about fancy words, gold lettering and big talk. Reality is over 300 million of your people are living like scum, treated like scume and accept being scum.

It seems you don't understand or don't want to understand what I am saying, it might be because of the age factor.

300 mil might live miserably but this number was much higher decades ago.
It might take few decades or few centuries but India will be a better country as the years progress, this is because of indias secular constitution.

Whereas Pakistan will never change and will always be less united and unstable because of your unjust, non secular and weak Constitution.
Unity in Pakistani will start when your present constitution gets amended.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Before I go lemme tell you about abuse, inequality etc. Extreme inequity creates peace and
quiescence. The victims or groups so subjected become so repressed that they don't even make a sound. They take inequality and abuse up the backside and then turn around to say "thanks please". For example Black people in America in the slave era were quite and compliant living lives of servitude. Look at them now. Try squeezing them now. Or look what happened in 1950s as the grip loosened the results were mass reactions and demonstrations with extreme fringe like Black Panthers taking to terrorism and the gun to extract justice.

In Pakistan most groups will take to gun faster than you can blink if they feel they are being slightly pushed around. Indeed part of the instability you see now in Pakistan is cause of the vortex of social forces released as society transits from the old order to the new. Indeed even the TTP are partly result of the breakdown in the traditional Malik system and role of tribal Khans. Change like breaking of the atom releases mass of instable enegy that rocks society.

Now compare India. It has 300 million living in what can only be described as Hindoo Slavery yet all those victims take it up the backside without making a sound. The ruling establishment in India gives fog leaf of equality by burnishing gold plated letters on fancy papyrus for the consunmption of the incredibly naive Western people.

better country as the years progress,

Most things will get better in time. You think Pakistan will be where it is in 100 years from today? Have you heard the saying - you live today, not tomorrow. Now is reality. Don't purchase tommorow ion credit to look good today.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

We have abolished cast discrimination from our laws. Untouchability and other archaic laws have been totally banned, remember a low cast person was the president of our nation.
Ground realities in Indian villages might seem different but it will change with time.
Your govt first needs to do away with your own archaic laws then properly honour your only Nobel winner before accusing others.
Can Pakistan ever have a president or prime minister that is different from the state religion?

Total Nonsense. Dalits are still fighting against injustice and discrimination as so called high caste people are not ready to give them equal social status in your society because of cultural/religious beliefs as caste system is deep rooted in Indian society . To make one so called dalit as PM don't mean that rest of Muslims or dalit community are not facing any sort of discrimination and inequality on daily basis. Muslims and dalits have worse literacy rate and poorest economic condition in India as compare to others community. Its like saying that you have no poverty in India because Indian like mukesh ambani own 22.7 billion US dollars lol

Btw We have been told you guys dozen times that Abdul kalam was not practising Muslim and he was very much like atheist or agnostics or someone who read all religion and made his own mixture of beliefs that monotheism and polytheism are boht true when they are boht contradictory others example are shak rukh khan, salman khan and amir khan who have their own version of beliefs to please boht Hindus and Muslims

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Now compare India. It has 300 million living in what can only be described as Hindoo Slavery yet all those victims take it up the backside without making a sound. The ruling establishment in India gives fog leaf of equality by burnishing gold plated letters on fancy papyrus for the consunmption of the incredibly naive Western people.

That is just your opinion and not a fact

caste barriers and discrimination are fast breaking up

Because of Affirmative action ; Millions of people
belonging to backward castes are rising and growing
economically and socially

You really do not understand Indian society

Never mind ; The fact is that Pakistan was always United against India

So what unity are you alluding to

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Hindi existed LONG before Urdu was born

You know take away Persian/Arabic from Hindi and it is not Hindi anymore.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Kaptaan If Indian society was so " Divided and Unequal " as you suggest
There would be No peace and economic development

Our Rapidly growing economy is proof of the social stability that persists

 

[LURKER]

Agreed but that culture you refer to or at least the bits that make it 'civilized' were inputs recieved from invasions from the West. It was the sediment left behind by the invaders (mostly Muslim) from the West. Take that away and you have aboriginals. Might I mention Sanskrit is also from West. Vedas was composed in the West. Non is Ganga. All that is as alien to Ganga as the British built public building in New Delhi.

The invaders from the west settled and became civilised in the Ganga plains. The 'civilised' part was gained by interacting with the people who already lived here, and the rich culture of Ganga plains is the culmination of interaction between different cultures. Neither these settlers share language nor culture from the barbarians that dwell in those lands now. They are different people now. Gangadeshis as you say.

The aboriginals were building universities, receiving scholars from abroad when barbarians came and spread mayhem and distruction. Many settled and got civilised with time.

Sanskrit and Vedas are antithetical to the idea of Pakistan. They were developed by the Brahmins and not central Asian barbarians.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

You know take away Persian/Arabic from Hindi and it is not Hindi anymore.

That is today's Hindi

Hindi has always amalgamated all possible languages to the extent possible
and has only enriched itself

Without Urdu ; Arabic ; Persian ; Hindi would still have existed

But without Hindi there would never have been Urdu

Languages evolve over several centuries

That is what has happened to Hindi too

 

[LURKER]

Before I go lemme tell you about abuse, inequality etc. Extreme inequity creates peace and
quiescence. The victims or groups so subjected become so repressed that they don't even make a sound. They take inequality and abuse up the backside and then turn around to say "thanks please". For example Black people in America in the slave era were quite and compliant living lives of servitude. Look at them now. Try squeezing them now. Or look what happened in 1950s as the grip loosened the results were mass reactions and demonstrations with extreme fringe like Black Panthers taking to terrorism and the gun to extract justice.

In Pakistan most groups will take to gun faster than you can blink if they feel they are being slightly pushed around.

Are you talking about Ahmedis here?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

You know take away Persian/Arabic from Hindi and it is not Hindi anymore.

They have habit to claim and classify everything as Indian whther we are talking about foods which include plenty of meat dishes, dresses i.e salwar kameez, languages , music, civilisation etc

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Whereas Pakistan will never change and will always be less united and unstable because of your unjust, non secular and weak Constitution.

Laws of evolution of society presumably don't apply in Pakistan. In time as society matures it will evolve and the constitution will reflect that change. Have a look at the change in US in regars to Black people. Change is inevitable. You of course think Pakistan is some frozen matrix. In fact Pakistan is going through more change then India with higher urbanization releasing massive force into cityscape by bringing vastly differant ethnic groups/social groups in close proximity creating a vortex of change.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

They have habit to claim and classify everything as Indian whther we are talking about foods which include plenty of meat dishes, dresses i.e salwar kameez, languages , music, civilisation etc

Anything that has ORIGINATED on or after 14 August 1947 is Pakistani

Before that this whole SUB continent was called India / Hindustan and
And Before Islam Arrived in South Asia ; This Sub Continent was called BHARAT

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

@Kaptaan If Indian society was so " Divided and Unequal " as you suggest
There would be No peace and economic development

Our Rapidly growing economy is proof of the social stability that persists

Well Indian were divided where local ruler/raja maharaja were oppressing their own people that's why India got conquered easily by invaders