United Bengal / Greater Bangladesh : Possible?

[Baibars_1260]

If you want to see hindu muslim riots and manslaughter then go for it.

According to muslims, hindus are mushrik or Pagans and according to hindus.,,,

It's just like Muslims and Jews who are arch-enemies of one another.

Muslims and Jews are not arch-enemies. Muslims and Jews are closest in terms of religion and beliefs and the Quran acknowledges Jews as the " People of the Book ".
For 1300 years Jews and Muslims lived mostly in peace with thriving Jewish communities in Muslim majority territories.
The current tensions are not religion based, but linked to control of territory. Zionism is not identical to Judaism. Even the most ardent Zionists acknowledge that Muslims are closest to Jews in beliefs.

 

[IndiaIsBad]

United bengal will the most populous state of india.

 

[Baibars_1260]

How very typical West Pakistani of you.Tres reminscent of the establishmentarians of the Ayub regime.

I would argue otherwise. Pakistan would have been much stronger with East Pakistan at its side.

Firstly, our combined population would be 420 million. A third of India's as opposed to a sixth of India's today. We would be the third largest country in the world. And the de facto leader of the Muslim world.

Secondly our economy would be much much stronger.

You harp on and on like a typical 1960s martial race ideologue (I don't blame you, my dad is also tainted by the same views since he grew up in that time) about how East Pakistan was some indefensible swampland.

Well you forget- India's most vulnerable point is the Siliguri corridor. Tripura is surrounded on all sides by Bangladesh. And the indefensible land excuse wears thin. If a tiny tract of land like Israel can ward off 5 enemies, Bangladesh is still more defensible.

East Pakistan was a strategic treasure for checking any Indian adventures in the West. Cutting off Siliguri (and hence India's northeast) with China's help was no biggie. Hell even starting a rebellion in the Muslim regions of Assam and Malda was a stick you could dangle in front of India.


You may know more about India and Bangladesh than us but your views are not always right. They're clouded by typical West Pakistani establishmentarian bias. Same with how you prophesize all Indian Muslims are going to end up like the Reconquista Moors. Umm no, that's not happening. The reverse will happen. Parts of India are going to turn Muslim majority in the future

Will answer your post in full detail later as I have some work on hand.
- The Pakistan "Indian Muslim Ummah " experiment began to fail in 1948 when Qaid-e-Azam (whom I otherwise admire intensely) declared Urdu as the sole national language of Pakistan. He succumbed to the Liaquat Ali Khan UP lobby despite being ignorant of Urdu himself. A truly inclusive secular Pakistan was a pipe dream.,
However if my West Bengali social scientist experts are correct their theory is that the Bengali Muslim assertion of it's identity precedes the post-Partition movement by at least 100 years. The Bengal Renaissance promoted by the Calcutta bhodralok ( gentry or elite), had little impression on the Bangladeshi peasant since the Renaissance only benefited the Hindu Bengali jagirdar elite who in collaboration with British Imperial Colonialism were to become the Westernized bhodralok.
The economic and commercial power lay in Calcutta not in Faridpur. So the Bengali Muslim peasant's assertion of identity and seizure of economic and political power took on a communal bias, and they seized the moment of the rise of majority communalism elsewhere in India to ride piggyback on the Pakistan movement. The otherwise politically savvy Muslim League and Jinnah had a remarkably myopia in overlooking the true nature of the eagerness of Bengali Muslims to participate in the Pakistan movement and Partition. That was but one step in their dream of a Bengali Muslim Homeland and they cared as little for the Ummah as the Arabs of today ( chest thumping adherence to the faith notwithstanding) .
The West Bengali bhodralok were far more realistic, and they carefully crafted a brilliant Partition seizing the best that Bengal had to offer in terms of resources and geography leaving behind a flat alluvial riverine hinterland that had little to offer in resources and was prone to floods and cyclones. Global warming was not known a century back but with a large better educated scientific community amongst the West Bengali elite they gathered that East Bengal was a climate disaster. They cut their losses giving up their large landholdings in the East to buy choice real estate in Calcutta and invest in trade and industry rather than attempt to control a restive communally polarized peasant population. As can be seen they made a very good choice, Unfortunately the poor Hindu peasants and lower castes in East Bengal faced the brunt of the Bengali Muslim back lash in 1946 when the Bengali Muslims realized ( far too late) that they had got a bad deal.
( to be continued)
@jamahir @mb444 @Bilal9 @TopCat

 

[Cliftonite]

The otherwise politically savvy Muslim League and Jinnah had a remarkably myopia in overlooking the true nature of the eagerness of Bengali Muslims to participate in the Pakistan movement and Partition. That was but one step in their dream of a Bengali Muslim Homeland and they cared as little for the Ummah as the Arabs of today ( chest thumping adherence to the faith notwithstanding

You say that as if Sindhis and Punjabis were joining Pakistan out of some love for the mystical Ummah.

Hindus and Sikhs owned the capital in West Pakistan too and the Punjabis and Sindhis both wanted a share of the pie. Why target Bengalis specifically?

The West Bengali bhodralok were far more realistic, and they carefully crafted a brilliant Partition seizing the best that Bengal had to offer in terms of resources and geography leaving behind a flat alluvial riverine hinterland that had little to offer in resources and was prone to floods and cyclones.

I partially agree. But the Muslim population was centered in East Bengal. West Bengal was Hindu majority.

Again you bring in your West Pakistani colored view~ (East Pakistan is just a swampland). Why is the flood prone area doing better than Pakistan economically, given that it's smaller than Sindh?

While it's prone to floods, it's also much more fertile. Half of Pakistan isn't even arable.

If you read Ayesha Jalal's book, she states from British sources that East Bengal was given to Pakistan by the British because West Pakistan did not have the means to sustain itself.

And that rings true because much of West Pakistan below the Panjnad point in South Punjab is barren. Unless we go the South Korea and Japan way of investing in human resource, our land is not very fertile for production.

Global warming was not known a century back but with a large better educated scientific community amongst the West Bengali elite they gathered that East Bengal was a climate disaster. They cut their losses giving up their large landholdings in the East to buy choice real estate in Calcutta and invest in trade and industry rather than attempt to control a restive communally polarized peasant population. As can be seen they made a very good choice, Unfortunately the poor Hindu peasants and lower castes in East Bengal faced the brunt of the Bengali Muslim back lash in 1946 when the Bengali Muslims realized ( far too late) that they had got a bad deal.

Bangladesh, if it floods and goes underwater, is only going to lead to a massive influx of Muslims into India. I see that as a plus point.

Where are Muslims stronger in India? Near Pakistan in the vale of Kashmir and Gujarat, where they are stifled? Or near Bangladesh, in Assam and West Bengal, where they have a political voice and form 30-35% of the population.

You have an inherent bias where you feel only Pakistan is the protector or big daddy of Muslims in South Asia.

 

[Cliftonite]

Big joke. Muslims have problem with every religious groups starting from Zoroastrians, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Buddhists and any religion you name it.

Can you please shut up? We know you're obsessed with us.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Muslims and Jews are not arch-enemies. Muslims and Jews are closest in terms of religion and beliefs and the Quran acknowledges Jews as the " People of the Book ".
For 1300 years Jews and Muslims lived mostly in peace with thriving Jewish communities in Muslim majority territories.
The current tensions are not religion based, but linked to control of territory. Zionism is not identical to Judaism. Even the most ardent Zionists acknowledge that Muslims are closest to Jews in beliefs.

If muslims can have 56 muslim countries then why can't Jews have one Israel?

 

[Baibars_1260]

You have an inherent bias where you feel only Pakistan is the protector or big daddy of Muslims in South Asia.

Pakistan is not the "big daddy" of the Muslim Ummah and on the contrary it should look out solely for itself dumping the Indian Muslims along with the rest of the "Ummah " to its fate. 4 decades of war with superpower involvement nearly broke us. It is high time we took a page out of Turkey's playbook and stopped acting Big Daddy to everyone and in fact gently clap for India if it wallops Bangladesh just as Bangladesh itself does the same for us.
Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass.
Comparing Israel supported by 2.4 billion Christians and every superpower (including NATO) faced with corrupt incompetent Arab kingdoms with Bangladesh is hilarious.
Unlike Israel which faces multiple illiterate camel jockey kingdoms who hate each other more than Israel and care tuppence for Palestinians, Bangladesh is completely surrounded in a pocket by a powerful religiously motivated enemy that cares for its Hindu brethren in Bangladesh. India stands with a sledgehammer ready to pound Bangladesh into the ground. India is not interested in occupying Bangladesh like Kashmir. India wants Bangladesh as a giant fenced in penal colony. The Indian businessmen dominate the Bangladesh consumer market selling every thing from plastic combs to automobiles.
There are no strategic threats and any Bangladeshi threat to the "chickens neck" can easily be dealt with and in any case with the overflights and transit agreements Indian commercial, rail, road and water way traffic has open access to Bangladesh's transport and communications links. The " chickens neck" is only of interest to China and in any case China enjoys military superiority across most of India's North Eastern front.

Returning to the Israel Bangladesh comparison, India's Eastern Air Command alone fields double the frontline fighter jet strength than the Bangladesh Air Force, though in a showdown India doesn't even need to use its Air Force. India's Brahmos missiles, and MRLS are sufficient to reduce Bangladesh to the stone age simply with conventional strikes. India will simply leave Bangladesh in its "stone age " state as a lesson taught.
The last thing Pakistan should expect that Bangladesh is any use to it in it's stand off with India. In that kind of "two front" war it will take India literally minutes to crush Bangladesh into a mess. India can fight Bangladesh and Pakistan simultaneously. Fighting China and Pakistan together or stumbling into a nuclear war with Pakistan is what India is ( hopefully) trying to avoid.

If muslims can have 56 muslim countries then why can't Jews have one Israel?

They can. Israel for Jews is fine as long as the indigenous peoples the Palestinian (Muslims and Christians) are allowed to live as equal citizens and not driven off their lands into refugee camps.
Your education leaves much to be desired. It is not a Jew verses Muslim issue but an Arab ( Christian and Muslim) issue with Jewish immigrants from Europe.

Please be better informed and stick to the topic, We are discussing Bengal here in case you noticed.

 

[Cliftonite]

Pakistan is not the "big daddy" of the Muslim Ummah and on the contrary it should look out solely for itself dumping the Indian Muslims along with the rest of the "Ummah " to its fate. 4 decades of war with superpower involvement nearly broke us. It is high time we took a page out of Turkey's playbook and stopped acting Big Daddy to everyone and in fact gently clap for India if it wallops Bangladesh just as Bangladesh itself does the same for us.

Here I agree with you. But the majority viewpoint is quite to the contrary to what you suggest. Obsession with Afghanistan and Kashmir as well as the larger Ummah.

Kashmir I still get. But why Afghanistan? Afghan war ended in 1989. We should have fenced the border by 1992 and let them duke it out.

Also why the undulating love for Palestine?

Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass.

Let's see. It has controlled its population. Right now Pakistan has more of an overpopulation risk, along with a shortage of water.

Sinking landmass is a problem but I see it as a plus point because that means more migration to India and gradual Islamization of eastern India.

Returning to the Israel Bangladesh comparison, India's Eastern Air Command alone fields double the frontline fighter jet strength than the Bangladesh Air Force, though in a showdown India doesn't even need to use its Air Force. India's Brahmos missiles, and MRLS are sufficient to reduce Bangladesh to the stone age simply with conventional strikes. India will simply leave Bangladesh in its "stone age " state as a lesson taught.
The last thing Pakistan should expect that Bangladesh is any use to it in it's stand off with India. In that kind of "two front" war it will take India literally minutes to crush Bangladesh into mess. India can fight Bangladesh and Pakistan simultaneously. Fighting China and Pakistan together or stumbling into a nuclear war with Pakistan is what India is ( hopefully) trying to avoid.

I'm not hoping on any Bangladeshi help. I'm just lamenting at the lack of foresight by West Pakistani leaders when we had East Pakistan.

The sole focus was on West Pakistani defence. While strategically East Pakistan could have proven more dangerous to India.

Stoking an insurgency in Assam and North Bengal would have proven much more painful to India than in Kashmir (that is, iff we had retained East Pakistan). And in fact there are an equal, or maybe more number of Muslims, in Assam than Kashmir.

 

[mb444]

Pakistan is not the "big daddy" of the Muslim Ummah and on the contrary it should look out solely for itself dumping the Indian Muslims along with the rest of the "Ummah " to its fate. 4 decades of war with superpower involvement nearly broke us. It is high time we took a page out of Turkey's playbook and stopped acting Big Daddy to everyone and in fact gently clap for India if it wallops Bangladesh just as Bangladesh itself does the same for us.
Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass.
Comparing Israel supported by 2.4 billion Christians and every superpower (including NATO) faced with corrupt incompetent Arab kingdoms with Bangladesh is hilarious.
Unlike Israel which faces multiple illiterate camel jockey kingdoms who hate each other more than Israel and care tuppence for Palestinians, Bangladesh is completely surrounded in a pocket by a powerful religiously motivated enemy that cares for its Hindu brethren in Bangladesh. India stands with a sledgehammer ready to pound Bangladesh into the ground. India is not interested in occupying Bangladesh like Kashmir. India wants Bangladesh as a giant fenced in penal colony. The Indian businessmen dominate the Bangladesh consumer market selling every thing from plastic combs to automobiles.
There are no strategic threats and any Bangladeshi threat to the "chickens neck" can easily be dealt with and in any case with the overflights and transit agreements Indian commercial, rail, road and water way traffic has open access to Bangladesh's transport and communications links. The " chickens neck" is only of interest to China and in any case China enjoys military superiority across most of India's North Eastern front.

Returning to the Israel Bangladesh comparison, India's Eastern Air Command alone fields double the frontline fighter jet strength than the Bangladesh Air Force, though in a showdown India doesn't even need to use its Air Force. India's Brahmos missiles, and MRLS are sufficient to reduce Bangladesh to the stone age simply with conventional strikes. India will simply leave Bangladesh in its "stone age " state as a lesson taught.
The last thing Pakistan should expect that Bangladesh is any use to it in it's stand off with India. In that kind of "two front" war it will take India literally minutes to crush Bangladesh into a mess. India can fight Bangladesh and Pakistan simultaneously. Fighting China and Pakistan together or stumbling into a nuclear war with Pakistan is what India is ( hopefully) trying to avoid.

They can. Israel for Jews is fine as long as the indigenous peoples the Palestinian (Muslims and Christians) are allowed to live as equal citizens and not driven off their lands into refugee camps.
Your education leaves much to be desired. It is not a Jew verses Muslim issue but an Arab ( Christian and Muslim) issue with Jewish immigrants from Europe.

Please be better informed and stick to the topic, We are discussing Bengal here in case you noticed.

You have been feed culcutta revisionist nonsense. Apart from murshidad and nalda we did not want any other part of bengal to what we have now.

The pakistan movement started from Bengal we did not co-opt ourselves to pakistan movement.

As to culture where is hindu bengali literature pre so called renaissance and now?

You lack fundamental understanding of bangal and Bangla as a language. Bangla as a language was partronised and sustained by muslim Bengal aristrocracy. Advent of british colonial rule heralded for a tiny period of time the supremacy of the hindu clerical caste facilatated to supplant the muslim elite.

A rather irrelevant by product is the so called hindu bengali anti islamic renaissance allowed by the british to their ever loyal hindu lieutenants. Just because you do not know anything about muslim bengali culture does not mean it does not exist.

Post independance bengal has produced nothing.... the anti-muslim hindu renaissance was a flash in the pan event most suited to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

West bengal is irrelevant to Bangladesh. BD tourists penchant to go on shopping trips to culcutta for sub standard junk does not create any dependancy.

It is fine for you to false flag and continue to believe the nonsense you have been brainwashed to believe. It really does not matter....

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Pakistan is not the "big daddy" of the Muslim Ummah and on the contrary it should look out solely for itself dumping the Indian Muslims along with the rest of the "Ummah " to its fate. 4 decades of war with superpower involvement nearly broke us. It is high time we took a page out of Turkey's playbook and stopped acting Big Daddy to everyone and in fact gently clap for India if it wallops Bangladesh just as Bangladesh itself does the same for us.
Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass.
Comparing Israel supported by 2.4 billion Christians and every superpower (including NATO) faced with corrupt incompetent Arab kingdoms with Bangladesh is hilarious.
Unlike Israel which faces multiple illiterate camel jockey kingdoms who hate each other more than Israel and care tuppence for Palestinians, Bangladesh is completely surrounded in a pocket by a powerful religiously motivated enemy that cares for its Hindu brethren in Bangladesh. India stands with a sledgehammer ready to pound Bangladesh into the ground. India is not interested in occupying Bangladesh like Kashmir. India wants Bangladesh as a giant fenced in penal colony. The Indian businessmen dominate the Bangladesh consumer market selling every thing from plastic combs to automobiles.
There are no strategic threats and any Bangladeshi threat to the "chickens neck" can easily be dealt with and in any case with the overflights and transit agreements Indian commercial, rail, road and water way traffic has open access to Bangladesh's transport and communications links. The " chickens neck" is only of interest to China and in any case China enjoys military superiority across most of India's North Eastern front.

Returning to the Israel Bangladesh comparison, India's Eastern Air Command alone fields double the frontline fighter jet strength than the Bangladesh Air Force, though in a showdown India doesn't even need to use its Air Force. India's Brahmos missiles, and MRLS are sufficient to reduce Bangladesh to the stone age simply with conventional strikes. India will simply leave Bangladesh in its "stone age " state as a lesson taught.
The last thing Pakistan should expect that Bangladesh is any use to it in it's stand off with India. In that kind of "two front" war it will take India literally minutes to crush Bangladesh into a mess. India can fight Bangladesh and Pakistan simultaneously. Fighting China and Pakistan together or stumbling into a nuclear war with Pakistan is what India is ( hopefully) trying to avoid.

They can. Israel for Jews is fine as long as the indigenous peoples the Palestinian (Muslims and Christians) are allowed to live as equal citizens and not driven off their lands into refugee camps.
Your education leaves much to be desired. It is not a Jew verses Muslim issue but an Arab ( Christian and Muslim) issue with Jewish immigrants from Europe.

Please be better informed and stick to the topic, We are discussing Bengal here in case you noticed.

"Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass"

Bangladesh's economy will always be ahead of that of Pakistan's for more years to come.

Pakistan's economy is in turmoil because of its India centric policies. Pakistan's entire establishment, administration and policies are India centric. In order to compete against India, Pakistan had spent and is still spending huge money on defence which completely obliterated it's economy.

Even during Corona pandemic, the Pakistani army generals said that the defence expenditure will not be curbed.

Bangladesh on the other hand have always been neutral, never allied with China nor Russia not the West. This has enabled Bangladesh to focus on increasing the economy entirely instead of spending big on defence equipments.

Bangladesh's current GDP is around 350 to 400 billion meanwhile Pakistan's economy is not more than 250 billion.

 

[Baibars_1260]

You say that as if Sindhis and Punjabis were joining Pakistan out of some love for the mystical Ummah.

Hindus and Sikhs owned the capital in West Pakistan too and the Punjabis and Sindhis both wanted a share of the pie. Why target Bengalis specifically?

Of course not! No one joined Pakistan for the "Ummah" except perhaps the wretched "Bihari" and United Provinces refugees from the communal carnage in India. They sincerely believed that they would be welcome in Pakistan ( East or West) ignoring the brutal realities of ethnic and linguistic chauvinism that would push them into oblivion.
The residual "left behind " Indian Muslim population long realized the myth of the Ummah when their relatives fled Bangladesh across the border in 1972 desperately seeking help in getting repatriated to Pakistan. We can share the stories of how this migrant displaced population made it back to Pakistan later in this thread. The present Indian Muslims are grimly resigned to their fate and have no expectations from Pakistan.

Let's stick to the topic.

We can discuss Sindhi nationalism separately ( in fact there is a thread for that). Yes, the West Pakistanis were no more a business community than their former East Pakistani counterparts. So in both wings there was an economic basis.
India wrestled with linguistic chauvinism in its Southern states also, but being more democratic ( in that era) with no Martial Law there was a safety valve to vent those passions.
The Pakistani experiment with the Ummah has been as much of a disaster as India's experiment with Secularism ( of the Hindu variety " Vasudeva Kutumbhakam ). Pakistan has realized that forging a national cultural identity from its diversity is only possible if each entity is given it's space. Religion cannot be the sole binding factor. India is doing today what Pakistan attempted to do in the 1950's using religion as prime drum to beat. We can wish India best of luck !

Ayesha Jalal's contention about the economic importance of East Pakistan only held true up to the seventies when Pakistan's chief exports were tea and jute. The loss of East Pakistan did impact the economy of post-1971 Pakistan but only slightly as Pakistan rapidly diversified into textiles, sugar, and engineering goods. The founders of Pakistan and the British as mentioned by Ayesha Jalal never envisaged that Pakistan would be manufacturing jet fighters and exporting them. Four decades of war and facing a powerful enemy has crippled us but Pakistan has seen far worse. We shall come through.
So to stick to the subject of Bengal look forward to my next post.

 

[Bambi]

"Bangladesh was an economic "basket case" for five decades and before. It's recent prosperity is going to be short lived given the population pressures, and sinking landmass"

Bangladesh's economy will always be ahead of that of Pakistan's for more years to come.

Pakistan's economy is in turmoil because of its India centric policies. Pakistan's entire establishment, administration and policies are India centric. In order to compete against India, Pakistan had spent and is still spending huge money on defence which completely obliterated it's economy.

Even during Corona pandemic, the Pakistani army generals said that the defence expenditure will not be curbed.

Bangladesh on the other hand have always been neutral, never allied with China nor Russia not the West. This has enabled Bangladesh to focus on increasing the economy entirely instead of spending big on defence equipments.

Bangladesh's current GDP is around 350 to 400 billion meanwhile Pakistan's economy is not more than 250 billion.

264 billion. https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pak-economy-size-shrinks-to-264-bn.667119/page-2

 

[Cliftonite]

The loss of East Pakistan did impact the economy of post-1971 Pakistan but only slightly as Pakistan rapidly diversified into textiles, sugar, and engineering goods. The founders of Pakistan and the British as mentioned by Ayesha Jalal never envisaged that Pakistan would be manufacturing jet fighters

While I agree with the rest of your post, this is where I disagree.

Pakistan has not bounced back after 1971 economically. For most of that period after that, we were surviving on US and Gulf Arab aid. We didn't develop a self sustaining economy after 1971.

The combined economy of Pakistan and Bangladesh (had we not separated) would have been quite larger, giving us more clout internationally.Better than divided in two. India is the 6th largest economy because of its huge population. Otherwise, it doesn't have much manufacturing ability.

Aaah but what's done is done. I'm just lamenting our weird way of looking things.

Four decades of war and facing a powerful enemy has crippled us but Pakistan has seen far worse. We shall come through.

The biggest source of our problems. Our obsession with war.

And this war obsession is not just restricted to India. We seek adventurism even to our west. As if Kashmir wasn't enough, we had to jump into Afghanistan as well. You'll say we were dragged into it. No, we weren't.

We seek war even when there are political avenues available. East Pakistan. Balochistan.

We got a country where we could be Muslims in peace. We should have focused on the well being of our people after that. We got nukes, that was enough to offset any threat from India. But we had to go around involving ourselves in war.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Here I agree with you. But the majority viewpoint is quite to the contrary to what you suggest. Obsession with Afghanistan and Kashmir as well as the larger Ummah.

Kashmir I still get. But why Afghanistan? Afghan war ended in 1989. We should have fenced the border by 1992 and let them duke it out.

Also why the undulating love for Palestine?

All good points and I will add Indian Muslims and Rohingyas to the mix.
Pakistan has already started fencing the Afghan border. Afghanistan is important to Pakistan ( far more important than Bangladesh! ) but we need to keep the Afghan's happy instead of riling them up.
Afghan was the only country that did NOT recognize Pakistan when it was established in 1947, outdoing even our Indian friends. I also favor a carrot and stick policy with Afghanistan. Any attack from Afghan soil on Pakistan must meet with a befitting response. I am glad Pakistan has developed drone capabilities to deal out the punishment and the Super Tucanos of the AfAF will be dealt with just as we dealt with their Su-22s and Mig 21s earlier.

I am amused at PDF posts here imagining Assamese Muslims, Bangladeshis and Indian Muslims will fight for the "Ummah "
The Germans tried this trick in Yugoslavia hoping to turn religious and ethnic divisions to their advantage. They armed Catholic Croats and Bosnians against Slavic Serbs ( Cetniks) hoping to disable the Communist Soviet supported partisan resistance under Tito. The move failed because no matter how well armed a minority remains a minority and is ultimately overwhelmed. Pakistan's attempt to arm Chakmas and get them to fight the Mukti Bahini in Bangladesh ended in a disaster for the Chakmas leading to a carnage and displacement. India attempted the same arming and training the Chakma Shanti Bahini to fight the Bangladesh Army with more success because unlike 1971 the Chakmas now were fighting under Indian patronage and had safe havens in India to train and recoup losses. The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were secretly armed by the Allies , and rose up against the German Nazi occupation in the summer of 1944 and were slaughtered by the Germans. The Polish population with latent anti- semitism did not help. Pakistan also armed a small group of "Biharis" ( refugees from India's eastern provinces) to fight the Mukti Bahini in 1971. These "Biharis" paid a fearful price. Most fought to the last bullet and last man for Pakistan, their last battle being the Mirpur bridge which controlled the access to the Mirpur refugee camps. In a different battle some were captured wounded but still alive, and dragged to an island on the Padma river where they were bayoneted by the Mukti Bahini. A LIFE magazine photographer vividly captured the event on camera and published his award winning pictures. Forum rules prohibit such uploads but a search in Google on the line "Mukti Bahini Gurillas bayonet Biharis " will reveal some very historical pictures.
No minority can survive in a hostile majority environment no matter how well armed.
Bangladesh in a larger sense is a "minority" in a much larger majority India. Risking a war with India on behalf of Pakistan is the last thing on the minds of the Bangladesh Army which suffered heavy casualties even when fighting Shanti Bahini Chakmas.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

All good points and I will add Indian Muslims and Rohingyas to the mix.
Pakistan has already started fencing the Afghan border. Afghanistan is important to Pakistan ( far more important than Bangladesh! ) but we need to keep the Afghan's happy instead of riling them up.
Afghan was the only country that did NOT recognize Pakistan when it was established in 1947, outdoing even our Indian friends. I also favor a carrot and stick policy with Afghanistan. Any attack from Afghan soil on Pakistan must meet with a befitting response. I am glad Pakistan has developed drone capabilities to deal out the punishment and the Super Tucanos of the AfAF will be dealt with just as we dealt with their Su-22s and Mig 21s earlier.

I am amused at PDF posts here imagining Assamese Muslims, Bangladeshis and Indian Muslims will fight for the "Ummah "
The Germans tried this trick in Yugoslavia hoping to turn religious and ethnic divisions to their advantage. They armed Catholic Croats and Bosnians against Slavic Serbs ( Cetniks) hoping to disable the Communist Soviet supported partisan resistance under Tito. The move failed because no matter how well armed a minority remains a minority and is ultimately overwhelmed. Pakistan's attempt to arm Chakmas and get them to fight the Mukti Bahini in Bangladesh ended in a disaster for the Chakmas leading to a carnage and displacement. India attempted the same arming and training the Chakma Shanti Bahini to fight the Bangladesh Army with more success because unlike 1971 the Chakmas now were fighting under Indian patronage and had safe havens in India to train and recoup losses. The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were secretly armed by the Allies , and rose up against the German Nazi occupation in the summer of 1944 and were slaughtered by the Germans. The Polish population with latent anti- semitism did not help. Pakistan also armed a small group of "Biharis" ( refugees from India's eastern provinces) to fight the Mukti Bahini in 1971. These "Biharis" paid a fearful price. Most fought to the last bullet and last man for Pakistan, their last battle being the Mirpur bridge which controlled the access to the Mirpur refugee camps. In a different battle some were captured wounded but still alive, and dragged to an island on the Padma river where they were bayoneted by the Mukti Bahini. A LIFE magazine photographer vividly captured the event on camera and published his award winning pictures. Forum rules prohibit such uploads but a search in Google on the line "Mukti Bahini Gurillas bayonet Biharis " will reveal some very historical pictures.
No minority can survive in a hostile majority environment no matter how well armed.
Bangladesh in a larger sense is a "minority" in a much larger majority India. Risking a war with India on behalf of Pakistan is the last thing on the minds of the Bangladesh Army which suffered heavy casualties even when fighting Shanti Bahini Chakmas.

Shanti Bahini is not an army it is an insurgent group. You cannot defeat an insurgent group but contain it.