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d by non-complying to the crew and the captain instruction to disembark, that Doctor have broken the law already.
A law which was one sided.. This passenger may have booked the flight well in advance with proper planning, payed the airline in full, then how come he may be the random person to be picked up? What is the logic here? And when he resist, he is breaking the law!!! What absurd logic is that?

you are just parroting the law without realizing that you are becoming part of the insane procedure which lead to this blunder by United. Airlines need to change their priorities. When customer is the king, they should be given the privilege over the free travellers. You can have priorities based on the seat class which is fine, but all the paid customers should have priorities over crew etc. It is the airline who did the mis-calcuation by overbooking, then it should be airline who should be disembarking its holiday going crew first rather the customer.

I am seeing UNITED getting into a major lawsuit with hefty compensation paying to this customer because of their inhuman behavior.
 
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The airline will get sue, let the US jury and the court to decide.
 
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It is shameful to the airline to let such thing happened in its plane. What is even MORE SHAMEFUL is to find an excuse to defend it.
 
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The airline will get sue, let the US jury and the court to decide.

The airline will settle as quickly as possible. They don't want to drag this not with dozens of angles of the incident being recorded and unified condemnation.

This isn't Adom Salah.
 
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The passenger's seat was picked at random. 1/2 of a couple was chosen also so both decided to leave.





The man will be solicited by top notch law firms. His Great-Great-Great-Great Grandkids will have paid education to any school in the US, alone with free first class travel. He just made a payday.

No one is defending United not after back to back incidences from their planes running out of fuel, breaking people's Guitars, legging (albeit company dress policy). And the follow on statement by the CEO "I apologize for having to re-accommodate these customers. Our team is moving with a sense of urgency to work with authorities and conduct our own detailed review of what happened." :crazy:



The thread title makes it seem the passenger was targeted for his race/ ethnicity. He was not but chosen at random. Legally the airline can remove a passenger provided they are given 4x one way fare. United messed up. $400 was offered then $800, then the pilot came and started randomly choosing seats. Everyone has a price. I was aboard a Southwest airplane where they came to offer $900 and hotel, I was an idiot in high school and didnt accept.

To be honest, I think the United CEO did what more than we can expect.

This is not a simple thing, as this does not just affect this flight where 4 pax have to disembark, but since the 4 boarding is united crew, that mean it will also affecting other flight operation.

The pilot did screw up, he should have offer more but this is just out of courtesy, but he did offered the minimum compensation set forth by FAA guideline. Delta, on the other hand would go hand over feet just to please the pax

The airline will settle as quickly as possible. They don't want to drag this not with dozens of angles of the incident being recorded and unified condemnation.

This isn't Adom Salah.

Don't think anyone could have a case, United have full right to ask any passenger to leave, the problem is not asking people to leave the aircraft, but rather how heavy handed the Police done to removing that passenger.
If the doctor try to sue United for removing him, he will lose.

The problem is, can that doctor really sue the Police on the heavy handed tactics? That remain to be seen.
 
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My wife was a Flight Attendant for SAS Airline and my brother fix aircraft with Boeing, and NO, THIS CANNOT BE AVOID.

This particular incident cite from 4 United Crew member need to relief another United Flight crew, and this replacement is last minutes. And it cannot be avoided. It's not like they have 225 seat and they sold 229 tickets.

When a flight crew flew over hours and cannot make it back to hub on time, a relief crew was called, in this case, the United had called 4 relief crew to board this flight and go and replace the other crew. And that particular flight are fully booked, so 4 people have to go.

So what if the flight leave without asking anyone to leave? Then the other flight will have to be cancel as they are over the work hours allowed, then you will have to remove 225 pax instead of 4. Now, you do the maths.

Or the plane itself does not go, and you have to remove all 225 pax from this flight.

Also worth notice that the severe weather in East Coast of US in April, flight is overbook to fill cancellation, not to make extra money, in this case, 4 crew want to board that particular flight, they are within their legal right to do so, I honestly don't see why this is a problem.

The only problem in your head is that the doctor is Asian, to be hoenst, I don't think you will care if that pax is white.
From eye-witness on the flight board, the authority did not just drag him but physically punch him on the face as showed with his face injury. This is an assault and they mess with the fucking wrong person as he is a DOCTOR. LOL
 
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The airline will settle as quickly as possible. They don't want to drag this not with dozens of angles of the incident being recorded and unified condemnation.

This isn't Adom Salah.
The injured man is a doctor, he won't settle this lawsuit for the minimum of 1 millions.

I bet lot of lawyer salvitating to take on this case for him.
 
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From eye-witness on the flight board, the authority did not just drag him but physically punch him on the face as showed with his face injury. This is an assault and they mess with the fucking wrong person as he is a DOCTOR. LOL

Watch the video it shows the man's face hitting the arm rest on the other aisle.

The injured man is a doctor, he won't settle this lawsuit for the minimum of 1 millions.
I bet lot of lawyer salvitating to take on this case for him.

If the doctor try to sue United for removing him, he will lose.
Regardless of who he is, the course of events was heinous.

United wants to put this behind them and present a transparent policy. Not just United by other Airlines too.

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When a flight crew flew over hours and cannot make it back to hub on time, a relief crew was called,
Who problem was that of overflying of the crew? Who prepared their roster? It is the problem of the airline only.

The pilot did screw up, he should have offer more but this is just out of courtesy, but he did offered the minimum compensation set forth by FAA guideline
Slowly and slowly you are coming up to the point of accepting that it is the fault of the pilot who was representing United, which is good.
Rather than using the force, the airline should have come to better negotiation terms. The united airlines screwed it up big time. This is causing major embarrassment for them world over.
 
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Watch the video it shows the man's face hitting the arm rest on the other aisle.
doesnt matter how he got injured, when the excessive used of force that caused body injury you will be sue and the court will compensate the victim nicely.
 
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A law which was one sided.. This passenger may have booked the flight well in advance with proper planning, payed the airline in full, then how come he may be the random person to be picked up? What is the logic here? And when he resist, he is breaking the law!!! What absurd logic is that?

you are just parroting the law without realizing that you are becoming part of the insane procedure which lead to this blunder by United. Airlines need to change their priorities. When customer is the king, they should be given the privilege over the free travellers. You can have priorities based on the seat class which is fine, but all the paid customers should have priorities over crew etc. It is the airline who did the mis-calcuation by overbooking, then it should be airline who should be disembarking its holiday going crew first rather the customer.

I am seeing UNITED getting into a major lawsuit with hefty compensation paying to this customer because of their inhuman behavior.

Have you work in aviation industry?

The prospect is always safety come first, you know if the pilot is feeling unwell before a flight, a WHOLE flight can get cancel if there are no available pilot available, whether or not the pilot is actually sick, all they have to do is say "I am unwell, I need to off the clock" and under ICAO rules, he/she cannot be on the pilot seat just because he said so.

Now, I am not talking about safety to passenger on that particular aircraft. The need to have a replacement crew, whether or not the request is actually suit the need, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PASSENGER RIGHT. Because at the other end, people dies if the crew were not deliver on time.

So the question now is, how you balance the safety of other passenger and YOU. While everyone would most certainly think I am above all, I would have to take care of myself first, so why I am required to leave so 4 crew can board a flight in my place when I have planned all the vacation for months or maybe years.

The problem is what you think or who you are, DOES NOT MATTER. WHAT MATTER IS THE PASSENGER SAFETY IN GENERAL. That law is designed to protect the safety quality of passenger, ALL PASSENGER, not just you. Think about it like this, you are on the flight that needed that 4 crew, you want to get home for whatever business, now someone tell you some Doctor is not giving up his seat so the replacement crew cannot be here, and they will have to cancel that flight, now you tell me what would you think? Or worst, because that doctor did not give up his seat, we decided to fly you home in a tired crew. What would you think?

From eye-witness on the flight board, the authority did not just drag him but physically punch him on the face as showed with his face injury. This is an assault and they mess with the fucking wrong person as he is a DOCTOR. LOL

So? I never said the Authority did not go heavy hand on him, in fact, I would suggest the doctor to try and have a litigation to the authority.

The argument I made is that United have no choice on this. I am defending the action by United Airline, not the local LEA.

Who problem was that of overflying of the crew? Who prepared their roaster? It is the problem of the airline only.

Who's fault is to blame for dropping 12 inch of snow that aircraft needed to deice 7 times before flight. Or Who's fault is that because of the turbulence, the aircraft have to diverted?

There are millions reason a flight got delay or cancelled. Are they all airlines fault? Bear in mind this happen when US was covered with Extreme Weather. Delay and Cancellation is quite common for extreme weather, and whose fault is it that US East Coast is covered with Extreme Weather?

Slowly and slowly you are coming up to the point of accepting that it is the fault of the pilot who was representing United, which is good.
Rather than using the force, the airline should have come to better negotiation terms. The united airlines screwed it up big time. This is causing major embarrassment for them world over.

No, the United did nothing wrong, it have the right to expel the passenger to fly its own crew in.

Again, what will you think if you are on the other side of the country WAITING ON THAT FLIGHT TO BRING YOU THE RELIEF CREW SO YOU CAN GO HOME? AND THEN SOMEONE TELL YOU THEY AREN"T COMING BECAUSE SOME DOCTOR REFUSED TO GIVE UP HIS SEAT TO THE CREW THAT GONNA FLY YOU HOME?
 
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To Chinese PDF Brigade,

If you have any point to discuss, you are welcome to discuss Aviation rules with me, all these I am a shill for whatever, and banana blah blah will be directly reported, and deleted by mod in a timely manner.

save you and us some time, and most possibly save yourselves from getting thread or actual ban. If this is all you are going to say, please leave it to yourself.

I can argue with you in any possible legal way, but I am not going to descent into name calling. If that is what you want, then I would love to see your name in pink.
Let me ask you, is there an aviation rule that
Have you work in aviation industry?

The prospect is always safety come first, you know if the pilot is feeling unwell before a flight, a WHOLE flight can get cancel if there are no available pilot available, whether or not the pilot is actually sick, all they have to do is say "I am unwell, I need to off the clock" and under ICAO rules, he/she cannot be on the pilot seat just because he said so.

Now, I am not talking about safety to passenger on that particular aircraft. The need to have a replacement crew, whether or not the request is actually suit the need, IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PASSENGER RIGHT. Because at the other end, people dies if the crew were not deliver on time.

So the question now is, how you balance the safety of other passenger and YOU. While everyone would most certainly think I am above all, I would have to take care of myself first, so why I am required to leave so 4 crew can board a flight in my place when I have planned all the vacation for months or maybe years.

The problem is what you think or who you are, DOES NOT MATTER. WHAT MATTER IS THE PASSENGER SAFETY IN GENERAL. That law is designed to protect the safety quality of passenger, ALL PASSENGER, not just you. Think about it like this, you are on the flight that needed that 4 crew, you want to get home for whatever business, now someone tell you some Doctor is not giving up his seat so the replacement crew cannot be here, and they will have to cancel that flight, now you tell me what would you think? Or worst, because that doctor did not give up his seat, we decided to fly you home in a tired crew. What would you think?



So? I never said the Authority did not go heavy hand on him, in fact, I would suggest the doctor to try and have a litigation to the authority.

The argument I made is that United have no choice on this. I am defending the action by United Airline, not the local LEA.
Like I said, he got a great case as many eyewitnesses said he was being assault. We do not know whether the assault is motivated because he was Asian or not but he got a great case. Not only that but he is a doctor who is urgently need to fly home so he can operate on his patient. I do not know what doctor he is but if he is a surgeon, he will win it as he can argue that he has a patient in life threaten situation.
 
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United wants to put this behind them and present a transparent policy. Not just United by other Airlines too.

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Depends, I will ask my wife will United Win a court case when she came back, as she is a lawyer and former flight attendant.

But people need to think about Airlines Operation in general, sometime shit just happen and it's nobody fault, but then someone have to take the heat, and that sucks, but that's nothing anyone can do.
 
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I hope the doctor finds a good law firm, maybe one with zealous Jewish attorneys, because this case is a jackpot.

He can not only sue for breach of contract and assault, but also punitive damages from the unfair and unlawful process of ejection, as well as outrageous and serious bodily harm he suffered.
 
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Let me ask you, is there an aviation rule that

Like I said, he got a great case as many eyewitnesses said he was being assault. We do not know whether the assault is motivated because he was Asian or not but he got a great case. Not only that but he is a doctor who is urgently need to fly home so he can operate on his patient. I do not know what doctor he is but if he is a surgeon, he will win it as he can argue that he has a patient in life threaten situation.

As I said, he can sue the Local Authority for assault, that's depending on two things.

1.) Would you be able to sue local authority when they have public indemnity
2.) Was the altercation warranted.

You and I were both not in the flight, or fight, we don't know if the heavy hand is needed, all we know is that he is a doctor, he don't want to give up his seat, the police was called, and the police drag him off the flight.

WE don't have a full picture of the incident, so everything we can claim is a hearsay, which I am not in a mood to dip into this "Guessing" business.
 
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