Unification of HIT & Pakistan Steeles Mills

[blueazure]

back in the 90s, PSM actually made a test barrel for the smooth bore 125mm cannon for the al khalid.

i have no idea why AK designers went with the Ukrainian gun later on

 

[Fawadqasim1]

and still patwaris can't see signs of naya Pakistan they are blind aren't they.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The large industrial complex we have at Steels mill has tremendous potential to provide the Steel which can power the nation into Industrial revolution

a) We are now extracting our own coal, so powering up the furnace should be discounted rate until the facility is 100% on it's feet

• Federal Grant must be given in term of free supply of coal to immediately take the burden off the Organization. There should be a 10 year grant

b) The experience to run a Manufacturing base has been successfully done at KAMRA and also with great Professionalism at HIT , why are these two institute above rest. For one the Human Resource quality is high best of best get to work there. There is Merit and their is very high penalty for any corruption , i.e military court marshal.

c) Then the Last portion is how can this become our Saudi Aramco , Siemens , GM etc
Very simple.......

• Give it Exclusive contract access to Defense contracts where Steel is Needed
• Give it Priority access to make Railway Tracks , so railway tracks can be upgraded
• Give it Priority access to Providing CPEC Project Steel for manufacturing buildings / bridges
• Give it Priority access to Federal Construction Projects
• Give it Priority access to Navy's demand for Steel for Ship making & Shipyard

Priority Projects = 100% Money Making Deal


Make it Mega Profitable:

• Create a Unit which makes commercial goods like Cars , Buses and Trucks fire trucks , ambulances
• Every Pakistani will prefer , vehicles which comes with high standard such as HIT
• If we can put together a Tank, APC , And Military Missile trucks , we can sure make a alternative for mass produced cars

The Financial Math behind it is tremendous

10,00000 (10 Lakh cars , replaced or sold ) @ 3 Lakh price = 300,000,000,000 Billion Rupee = 2.4 Billion Dollars

This money instead of going out of country could technically remain inside Pakistani economy if we reapply the lessons learned in HIT/KAMRA for auto manufacturing Unit at HISM (Heavy Industry Steel & Manufacturing)

Ask a very simple question what we import looks like this !
Whole Idea of importing from outside is when you cannot make it at Home , that is you import it from foreign company

What we make locally

Same manufacturing mind can make civilian vehicles

• Car/Trucks/ Pickups / Buses

 

[MBT 3000]

good idea, should happen

 

[Maarkhoor]

But, its good that Steel Mill chapter is close. Now next is PIA.

So what you suggest merger of PIA and PAF

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

Noonay will commit suicide on this news ..after an overdose of Khota Biryani

You mean choke on it

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well world wide I have noticed , such Large Units are supported 100% by Governments for exclusive excess to Federal / Defense projects

Priority Consideration to hand over project to it in Construction & Steel Needs

Example:

• USA supports Boeing in All defense purchases
• 1-2 Preferred companies Supply Services to US government sector

Also availability of Coal in Sindh , means 100% free power , alternatively Nuclear electricity could also be used for industralization

 

[HAIDER]

So what you suggest merger of PIA and PAF

PIA is hijack by Unions and siyasi bhartian ....either save the PIA or keep on paying the deficit to save the jobs of lazies and harmkhoor workers.

 

[syed_yusuf]

PIA is hijack by Unions and siyasi bhartian ....either save the PIA or keep on paying the deficit to save the jobs of lazies and harmkhoor workers.

Don't merge pia but make it coorporation that is run on business grounds kill the money leak trap

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the issue with PIA / KAMRA is completely different both sectors are 100% functional with PIA , the company and organization is suffering from bad management and lack of modern concepts to be Profitable even with a Large population with Travel requirements both internally and Travel to overseas location.

KAMRA = FUNCTIONAL WITH DISTINCTION 10/10
PIA = Dysfunctional , but it can be functional under right Management & Policy

There is no gain to merge these two groups

The issue with HIT and Steeles / Auto Manufacturing is that Manufacturing of Civilian Auto/ Bus / Truck is an unexplored areas, while the Largest Industrial Complex of Steeles Mills is not used

HIT = FUNCTIONAL WITH DISTINCTION 10/10
STEELS = Dysfunctional , but for National Defense hold a prominent Value
Auto Manufacturing Unit = New Unit

In theory HIT/STEELS/ Auto Manufacturing could live side by side with transfer of knowledge and expertise between three groups

There are strategic gains for merging HIT/STEELES/AUTO Manufacturing Unit




Question to People?
If you had a choice to Buy a vehicle (Compact Car) which was made with quality and released from HIT (HISM : Heavy Industry Steeles & Manufacturing) , holding the Made in Pakistan Tag would you buy it as a consumer in Pakistan?


I would imagine the ability for Civilian Sector to buy from HIT is an unexplored area , and this can only happen with a Civilian Manufacturing Unit which makes

a) Cars (Compact Car)
b) Buses (Used in Metro Projects Across Pakistan)
c) Ambulances (Make proper Ambulances in side Pakistan)
d) Trucks (Make Trucks with Lessons learned from Military Truck projects)

We can save tones of Money buy having our own Auto Manufacturing Sector
Commercialization of Car sales in Pakistan could indirectly fuel funding for Defense sector



Sales Question
HIT :
Makes 10-100 Tanks/APC/Trucks , sells to Military the profit /revenue is limited by order
The army will never order 50,000 Tanks etc so profit figures are limited


HISM: (HISM : Heavy Industry : Steeles & Auto Manufacturing)
Would have market of possible 1,000,000 Vehicles inside Pakistan , generating tones of additional revenue. The potential to go over this figure can happen with export to international destination

These vehicles would need replacement every 5 years to drive continued growth

Money will exchange from Hand of One Pakistani, to Another Pakistani and remain inside Pakistan's own borders

No one will be wiring cash from Pakistan to Japan for used cars

Now there are many Private companies in Pakistan who make Auto Parts
Interceptor concept vehicle while not a civilian vehicle shows what kind of solid product can be made in Pakistan (This is built on Toyota however there is no reason the whole vehicle could not have been made in Pakistan)

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What is the point to allow import of old car from Japan into Pakistan?

What is the point to allow Pakistani consumers to buy Suzuki Mehran like low quality stuff?

Literally we are filling Truck load of cash from Pakistan and shipping it out to Japan for old used items and low quality products , the cars delivered to Pakistan don't even qualify to be exported to Europe or North America​

 

[Bossman]

Debt is no issue State can clear it out consider it done

If we can transfer the Engineering High Excellence attained at KAMRA or HIT , and take that professionalism into Steels Production / and Civilian Auto sector that would a great commercial success.

How many Tanks does HIT sells ? 100-200

But how many Automotives can be sold inside Pakistan ?? 1 Lakh cars or 7 lakh cars
1,000,000 (10 lakh car sold) x 3 Lakh rupee sale per vehicle = 3,000,000,000,000 rupees ~ 24 Billion Dollar game

How much Steels can be sold , as a PREFERRED vendor for
a) All Defense construction
b) For all Federal Projects / CPEC
c) For all railway construction
d) For all Metro Projects


We need to take that high PERFORMANCE , High Professionalism gained from KAMRA/HIT and push that into Steel Industry / Civilian Auto sector

Steel Mills is suffering due to "Decay" in Human Resource

Success for KAMRA/HIT is due to High Calibre in Human Resource & Training

I know you mean well but please focus on educating yourself and growing up.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Importance of Steel in Nation Building


China
Communist party dictator Mao Zedong disdained the cities and put his faith in the Chinese peasantry for a Great Leap Forward. Mao saw steel production as the key to overnight economic modernization, promising that within 15 years China's steel production would surpass that of Britain.

With economic reforms brought in by Deng Xiaoping, who led China from 1978 to 1992, China began to develop a modern steel industry by building new steel plants and recycling scrap metal from the United States and Europe. As of 2013 China produced 779 million metric tons of steel each year, making it by far the largest steel producing country in the world. This is compared to 165 for the European Union, 110 for Japan, 87 for the United States and 81 for India. China's 2013 steel production was equivalent to an average of 3.14 cubic meters of steel per second


Japan
Yonekura shows the steel industry was central to the economic development of Japan. The nation's sudden transformation from feudal to modern society in the late nineteenth century, its heavy industrialization and imperialist war ventures in 1900–1945, and the post-World War II high-economic growth, all depended on iron and steel. The other great Japanese industries, such as shipbuilding, automobiles, and industrial machinery are closely linked to steel. From 1850 to 1970, the industry increased its crude steel production from virtually nothing to 93.3 million tons (the third largest in the world).

The government's activist Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) played a major role in coordination. The transfer of technology from the West and the establishment of competitive firms involved far more than buying foreign hardware. MITI located steel mills and organized a domestic market; it sponsored Yawata Steel Company. Japanese engineers and entrepreneurs internally developed the necessary technological and organizational capabilities, planned the transfer and adoption of technology, and gauged demand and sources of raw materials and finances.


The role of Steel is crucial from Defence / Strategic growth prespective

Railway Tracks

Usage of Steel bridges offers easy transport of people across busy interactions

Also used in construction as it is Faster to make homes with Steel and Fire resistant and weather resistant

100% Steel Station

 

[Arsalan]

A brilliant step taken by govt. That's only way to keep this asset under govt supervision and turn this while elephant steel mill into profit making entity.

Noonay will commit suicide on this news ..after an overdose of Khota Biryani

Yeh hoty hein wo bahi jo bs title daik k comment thook dyty hein, opening post b ni read krty!!


Dear, it is just a SUGGESTION, its not a NEWS. The opening post clearly presents this as a proposal/suggestion and debates the pros and cons (most pros) of such a merger.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Not a good idea
Army is already making enough money through other civilian markets like askari cement ,fauji fertilizers etc
We really do not want to see one institution getting stronger at the expense of several others.

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi just a thought why not why not Pakistan defence forces take over PS they can buy
This establishment or invest and have there own management run this project
From this way all the three services can fulfill their requirements and supply to outside
Their hierarchy, as they are investing in different projects daily commodities I think
This will be a win win situation for defence projects and GOP also
Any memeber can put up some more idea about my thought
Thank you