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ISLAMABAD: The United Nations has taken up with the government of Pakistan allegations of human rights violations on the part of the state in the militancy-plagued areas of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and the tribal areas.
UN Special Envoy for Pakistan Ambassador Jean Maurice Ripert has raised the alleged abuses by military personnel in separate meetings with state officials such as President Asif Ali Zardari, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and other military commanders and government ministries. During these meetings, Mr Ripert has discussed issues such as arbitrary detentions, extra-judicial killings and the safety of the civilian population, including abductions and the use of violence against them, during military’s operations in Fata and parts of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa.

The allegations backed by specific instances, the envoy said, were taken up by him as part of his mandate. “Practically what is important is to ensure and promote respect for humanitarian and human rights rules and principles,” he said while talking to Dawn.

The army, after years of piece-meal and half-hearted attempts at rooting out the Taliban and other militant groups from the tribal areas and parts of the province, launched decisive military operations in 2009 to dismantle and destroy the militant networks. The military action resulted in massive displacement of the civilian population. This caused great concern among local and human rights organisations. Later when the people were allowed to return, in places such as Swat in particular, media reports and rights organisations highlighted violations, including extra-judicial killings and illegal detentions.

Just last week Amnesty International, an international human rights group, pointed out similar alleged abuses in its report saying: “The Pakistani military at times used indiscriminate or excessive force in attacks on suspected Taliban hideouts, leading to high numbers of civilian casualties. Security forces detained family members of suspected insurgents, including children, to force them to surrender.” Additionally, the report noted that the security forces … “carried out suspected extra-judicial executions”.

However, Special Envoy Ripert’s disclosure to Dawn is surprising as it is in contrast to the UN’s usual practice of avoiding public discussions on human rights for fear of touching a raw nerve as far as the government is concerned. Islamabad is so wary of the issue that it has, in the past, hindered the establishment of the UN Office of High Commissioner for Human Rights in the country.

However, it now seems that the UN and the international community are making efforts to address the issue. This, observers say, is linked to the general perception that an insurgency cannot be defeated until the hearts and minds of the civilian populations are won over — an impossible task in the face of human rights violations. Perhaps this is what he had in mind when the envoy said that some of the violations were so troubling that the world community would have to provide tools to address them; though he was not willing to explain this further.

Mr Ripert did not, in the interview, doubt the commitment of the government to uphold human rights, but felt that some local situations prevented the administration from complying with relevant international conventions.

The government functionaries, he told Dawn, were forthcoming and promised to address the complaints. He particularly praised President Zardari for encouraging him to raise the issue with other organs of the state and other officials.

One of the UN official’s big concerns was the fact that the civilian government had failed to adequately replace the military in the areas that had been cleared of militants.

This is not an unusual concern. Many rights organisations and media reports have commented that such abuses and the continuing presence of the military is widening the gulf between the state and the civilian population in areas such as Swat; recently Taliban resurgence had been noticed in several previously cleared areas.

Military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas, however, rejected the UN official’s statement. He told Dawn that the military’s counter-terrorism operations enjoyed massive public support and that this would not have been possible if the armed forces indulged in human rights abuses.

Foreign Office spokesman Mr Abdul Basit provided a more ambiguous response: “the government is fully committed to improving the human rights situation in Pakistan. Having said that I would like to say that GoP is sparing no effort to ensure that human rights of all our citizens are in accordance with the Constitution of Pakistan.”DAWN.COM | Front Page | UN alleges rights violation in dealing with militants
 
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So wait a minute, all the soldiers, police officers and civilians who were captured, decapitated or shot in the open... What about their rights?

I am not surprised by some nonsense statement like this coming out of Geneva, considering they are yet to even discuss the issue of non-combatant prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan or the issue of un-limited detention and military tribunals...

Disgusting double standards, what’s new?
 
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What about the human rights of the people in Afgyhanistan and Iraq, who is going to help them.

Dubious double standards by some organisations that do not have much clout anyhow. If there are violations, we will tackle them but the army has to do what it can to stop the taliban menace from gaining roots again.

If we take action, they will find fault, if we do not take action,thay will moan and cry.

Also may I ask why did you put a smiley up there. Clearly I have noticed indians finding such news and then posting them with evident delight.

Pathetic if you were to ask me, I could go and find countless articles on india but I do not do so. There are many that can be posted and when some are posted, you people start to cry foul.
 
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Human Rights,(i stress on word HUMAN) for the people openly slaughter people nondiscriminatory & then distribute the videos of their slaughter

There was, is & never will be a war where people won't suffer & in this case Jerks deserve suffering
 
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Why the big smily in the first post..?? shows your intentions of opening a thread...Anyway

The US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt taliban bodies after killing them which is clear voilation of jeneva convention. So its happening everywhere.

And as far voilence is concerned which in urdu we call "CHITROL". Do you think we'll ask them and they'll tell us so easily. NOpe......Its harder than these HR thekedar thinks.
 
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Why the big smily in the first post..?? shows your intentions of opening a thread...Anyway

The US soldiers in Afghanistan burnt taliban bodies after killing them which is clear voilation of jeneva convention. So its happening everywhere.

And as far voilence is concerned which in urdu we call "CHITROL". Do you think we'll ask them and they'll tell us so easily. NOpe......Its harder than these HR thekedar thinks.


If we treat Taliban the same way that Taliban treat PA soldiers than what is the difference between Taliban and PA?

Giving example of USA burning bodies in Afghanistan is out of line for three reasons.

1. It is just hear say.
2. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It is US Gov’t’s job to take care of HR violations by US troops, this example is totally irrelevant. What has this got to do with PA?
3. UN is not US. US may have great influence on UN Security Council but to cite violation of HR by US troops and condemn UN HR Department is irrational in the extreme.

Pakistan is a member of the UN and it is about time that we realize this. We should therefore not dismiss this report altogether. Is it ironic that while we ask UN to investigate BB’s murder, but don’t give a fig to UN HR report! What are we turning into?

IMO PA leadership should look into these allegations seriously and set an example of human decency. We call ourselves Muslims but totally ignore the fact that our Holy Prophet (PBUH) was exemplary in his fair treatment of the enemy. Suppose most people just worry about the rituals of Islam but forget the real message.
 
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Pakistan is a member of the UN and it is about time that we realize this. We should therefore not dismiss this report altogether. Is it ironic that while we ask UN to investigate BB’s murder, but don’t give a fig to UN HR report! What are we turning into?

Well i for one have a major bone to pick with the UN, for me this international body has zero credibility and henceforth anything it produces regarding human rights should be redirected to case-studies such as Bagram and Gitmo!

Lead by example!
 
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Well i for one have a major bone to pick with the UN, for me this international body has zero credibility and henceforth anything it produces regarding human rights should be redirected to case-studies such as Bagram and Gitmo!

Lead by example!


Hon Sir,

Many people have problems with the UN. Nevertheless it is there. In any forum, you won’t have all the decisions in your favor. However you still refer to 1948 Resolution of the UN on Kashmir. Palestinians still refer to the UN for their problems and so do all others. Therefore with all its faults, UN is still the only international body which is accepted arbitrator of all disputes.

Switzerland was not a member of the UN until 2002, but she also decided to finally join it and became the 190 member. Pakistan has a choice of opting out of the UN. However, as long as she is a member, Pakistan should abide by UN rules and laws.
 
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Meet the UN gentlemen

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now u care about rights of soldiers,then the same is applicable in kashmir also to the indian soldiers,when they r attacked and killed by ur jehadis then that is a good thing,when they react then all sorts of human rights violation,freedom suppression ,kashmiri suppression,:blah::blah::blah: and more:blah::blah: came of

Listen to me... I have personally never advocated any such thing, so please do not take my quote out of context we are discussing Pakistan and Pakistani affairs... Indian Affairs have their own forum post there.

If you can't stick to the topic, please stop trying to derail the thread and refrain from posting. Thank you very much.
 
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