Ukrainian AI-222-25F engine may replace Russian RD-93 in JF-17 jets

[Lankan Ranger]

Ukrainian AI-222-25F engine may replace Russian RD-93 in JF-17 jets

The AI-222-25F develops 9,250 pounds (4,200 kg) of thrust at full afterburner, enabling the 21,550-pound (9,800 kg)-mtow L-15 LIFT twinjet to accelerate to Mach 1.6. At a price of $10 million, the Chinese aircraft is expected to sell well in international markets. The LIFT version can potentially carry air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.

Progress general designer Igor Kravchenko told AIN that the AI-222-25F is the first-ever Ukrainian engine to be fitted with an afterburner. “With its development, Progress has mastered reheat technologies, which we are now seeking to apply on a fighter engine in the class of thrust up to 44,000 pounds [20 tonnes],” he said.

In its primary 22,000-pound (10-tonne) version, this engine could replace Russia’s Klimov RD-93 on the FC-1 and its Pakistan air force version the JF-17 Thunder.


Ukraine Wins Engine Contract for Chinese L-15 Jet Trainer Production | Aviation International News

 

[westtowel]

AI-222-25 - 21.58 kN
RD-93 - 84 kN

 

[SpArK]

2 threads on the same title.???

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/138785-ukraine-wins-engine-contract-chinese-l-15-jet-trainer-production.html

 

[alimukhtar]

its good to have ukraniain one coz russia have good relation with India and can stop supplying the same at any time without notice

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

i dont belive it one bit thats for sure

 

[regular]

okay cool...Ukraine is good in military tech too....

 

[ANG]

Hi, currently AI-222-25F, in the 22K lbs version, is on the drawing board, if that. Also, it is not that simple to just slap a new engine into the JF-17 and say there you go. It will set back the JF-17 program back a few years.

How long have we been hearing about the WS-13 engine, and do we have an concrete evidence that the JF-17 is going to use it? Also CATIC just ordered 150 RD-93 engines, so they will still be using this in the JF-17, as the PAF is currently the only customer.

You simply cannot swap different engines in and out of a fighter jet. It is not that easy to do.

 

[ANG]

Hi, did some research on this engine, and have attached the correspnding link for Ivchenko-Progress Engines in Ukraine. They do have some good technology, especially thrust-vectoring. Pakistan at the very least should invest in codeveloping, or simply licensing this technology. However, it would require huge initial investment money, and where would Pakistan get that money from...

http://ivchenko-progress.com/welcome.do?id=144&lang=en

 

[Qasibr]

AI-222-25 - 21.58 kN
RD-93 - 84 kN

I know injuns feel compelled to rain on Pakistan's parade in every forum post, but do you really have to be such a 'tard?

RD-33's full thrust with afterburners is 18,285 lbf. The engine the Ukrainians are developing, is rated at 22,000 ibf according to that AIN article.

That is more than 20% more thrust, than the Russian engine.

 

[westtowel]

I know injuns feel compelled to rain on Pakistan's parade in every forum post, but do you really have to be such a 'tard?

RD-33's full thrust with afterburners is 18,285 lbf. The engine the Ukrainians are developing, is rated at 22,000 ibf according to that AIN article.

That is more than 20% more thrust, than the Russian engine.

I thought they will fit 4 engine in 1 fc-1

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

I thought they will fit 4 engine in 1 fc-1

seriously, what are you gaining from this trolling
please say something relevant to this or dont say anything

 

[mjnaushad]

We have relations with ukrain but in the field of tanks. New engine for jft will be a huge decision and paf wont choose engine by reading specs from wiki. They see lot more factors than that.

 

[SpArK]

If it has more thrust.. its probably a good idea.

It can be done in easy steps.

• Take the RD-93 out.
• Put the AI222-25 in, like a plug and play device.
• Switch on the Ignition.
• And we are good to go.
• VROOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Qasibr]

If it has more thrust.. its probably a good idea.

It can be done in easy steps.

• Take the RD-93 out.
• Put the AI222-25 in, like a plug and play device.
• Switch on the Ignition.
• And we are good to go.
• VROOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

South African French-origin Mirages flew with Russian-origin engines. Atleast in Ukraine's case, the engine vendor and aircraft manufacturer would closely collaborate - for the South Africans, integrating the Russian engine was harder.

F-14s, F-15s, F-16s all have had different types of engines powering seperate fleets of these aircraft. The US has a fleet of F-16s powered with P&W F-100 engines, and another fleet powered by GE F-110. The question is whether the Ukrainian engine makes sense for Pakistan - can it deliver more performance than the WS-13A/B, what's it's reliability like, etc. Ukraine has been making reliable aero-engines for decades, but China can invest alot more money. But reliability has been a problem atleast for earlier models of Chinese WS-10 and WS-13 engines.

It would be interesting if some senior members could share info about Ukraine's contribution in RD-33's development. I remember reading that Ivchenko-Progress had collaborated with Klimov on the development of certain components. I also remember Nabil_05 also mentioning that we're already getting some RD-93 engine maintainance assistance from Ukraine.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

This article only made some baseless speculation.

And JF-17 is going to use WS-13 regardless of what.