Ukraine to supply Turkey with over 500 cruise missile engines worth over $600 mln

[OldTwilight]

Modern jet engine needs rhenium. Russia has the world's largest rhenium deposit on its Iturup island.

https://www.stalkerzone.org/why-russia-will-not-hand-over-the-kuril-islands/

They had strong industrial base ....

Even right now , there are few countries which have industry base in all major fields ...

 

[Ansu fati]

They had strong industrial base ....

Even right now , there are few countries which have industry base in all major fields ...

Only Russia US UK and France can develop any weapon with exclusively domestic means however we can see lots of projects where these 4 states cooperate with other countries

 

[Turan09]

The western never allowed Turks to really develop critical part of their weaponary .. .

Compare Turkey industry with Iran .... Turks produce better weapon but Iran industry has more depth than theirs .... This mean if USA pose sanction on them , they would have to put massive amount of time and money to develop basic and critical parts by themselves

What do you mean by ''Western never allowed'' you think we asked for their approval? There is already an emborgo on us for critical parts and we succesfully rip this embargo a part when we start to replace every part with our own products.
Can you win a war with inferior weapons? Perhaps you can. Soviets did it. But they lost 25 million lives. This is not our way and We are intent to equip our soldiers with superior weapons.
If US put sactions on us like Iran, We can decrease our requirements, but until than, Turkish Army will not compromise on quality.

 

[OldTwilight]

Only Russia US UK and France can develop any weapon with exclusively domestic means however we can see lots of projects where these 4 states cooperate with other countries

The point is here , other are depended on them ....
When they refuse to help or sell anything , then you start to understand hiw much you are behind them ......

 

[Glass]

i think japan is the most underrated country they are far more advanced then uk, france, germany, russia

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Can you win a war with inferior weapons? Perhaps you can. Soviets did it. But they lost 25 million lives.

Are you serious? Russia lost 6 million soldiers in WW2. The rest were civilians butchered by Germans. Russian weaponry was by no means inferior to German weaponry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_the_Soviet_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin-Gorbunov-Gudkov_LaGG-3

 

[OldTwilight]

What do you mean by ''Western never allowed'' you think we asked for their approval? There is already an emborgo on us for critical parts and we succesfully rip this embargo a part when we start to replace every part with our own products.
Can you win a war with inferior weapons? Perhaps you can. Soviets did it. But they lost 25 million lives. This is not our way and We are intent to equip our soldiers with superior weapons.
If US put sactions on us like Iran, We can decrease our recruitments, but until than, Turkish Army will not compromise on quality.

You really don't know what embargo is ...
Do you mine titanium and can produce and form it ?! What about Tangestan ...

If not , then you can't make jet engine on your own ....

 

[Oublious]

You really don't know what embargo is ...
Do you mine titanium and can produce and form it ?! What about Tangestan ...

If not , then you can't make jet engine on your own ....

Oohh we are embargod on that, our jet engines will be using super nickel alloy what they didn't give us. We designed and they didn't give the material, so we invested in and we have our own. Same with titanium, nobody gives you so you should make it yourself.

https://www.tei.com.tr/detay/yakut-...hnology-for-nickel-alloy-plating-in-aviation2

https://www.tei.com.tr/detay/inci-development-project-for-titanium-casting-technology-in-aviation


TS1400 engine is the end product...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Oohh we are embargod on that, our jet engines will be using super nickel alloy what they didn't give us. We designed and they didn't give the material, so we invested in and we have our. Same with titanium, nobody gives you so you should make it yourself.

Still too much western components in Turkey's warships. Including engines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCG_Anadolu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada-class_corvette

 

[Ansu fati]

The point is here , other are depended on them ....
When they refuse to help or sell anything , then you start to understand hiw much you are behind them ......

I understand your point but i think what cabatli posted previously is more detailed and explanatory actually the only thing that turkey lacks at the moment are engines you can see that turkey launched many engine projects but at the same time there are new helicopter drone and many other projects it is suicide to stop this critically important projects and wait until domestic engine is ready as long as cooperation is offered from brotherly nations like ukraine there’s no reason not to use help from them
For example AKINCI drone is a beast everything except for the ukranian engine is turkish (by the way there is domestic engine but it is not powerful enough for the DESIRED/INTENDED capabilities you can lower akinci’s specs and use indigenous engine but it would be very stupid move)

 

[Turan09]

Are you serious? Russia lost 6 million soldiers in WW2. The rest were civilians butchered by Germans. Russian weaponry was by no means inferior to German weaponry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_aces_from_the_Soviet_Union

Russian weapons were inferior. Russians won the war with their endless man power.
Here, How one Tiger hunted down 22 Russian T34s... ''On 7 July 1943, a single Tiger tank commanded by SS-Oberscharführer Franz Staudegger from the 2nd Platoon, 13th Panzer Company, 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte engaged a group of about 50 T-34s around Psyolknee (the southern sector of the German salient in the Battle of Kursk). Staudegger used all his ammunition and claimed the destruction of 22 Soviet tanks, while the rest retreated. For this, he was awarded the Knight’s Cross.''
http://forum-console.worldoftanks.c...soviet-t-34-most-badarse-tank-commander-ever/
Russians had a massive advantage with their man power and they used it. There is no shame in that. But this is the realty.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Russian weapons were inferior. Russians won the war with their endless man power.
Here, How one Tiger hunted down 22 Russian T34s... ''On 7 July 1943, a single Tiger tank commanded by SS-Oberscharführer Franz Staudegger from the 2nd Platoon, 13th Panzer Company, 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte engaged a group of about 50 T-34s around Psyolknee (the southern sector of the German salient in the Battle of Kursk). Staudegger used all his ammunition and claimed the destruction of 22 Soviet tanks, while the rest retreated. For this, he was awarded the Knight’s Cross.''
http://forum-console.worldoftanks.c...soviet-t-34-most-badarse-tank-commander-ever/
Russians had a massive advantage with their man power and they used it. There is no shame in that. But this is the realty.

Russian counterpart of Tiger was IS-2, not T-34. IS-2 was better than Tiger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS_tank_family

 

[Oublious]

Still too much western components in Turkey's warships. Including engines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCG_Anadolu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada-class_corvette

Of course, you need a industry to make engines cost effective. Countries who made 50 years ago engines have production line, so producing a engine is no problem if you have customers for that. If a Turkish company design a engine only Turkish army or industry is not enough.

 

[cabatli_53]

You really don't know what embargo is ...
Do you mine titanium and can produce and form it ?! What about Tangestan ...

If not , then you can't make jet engine on your own ....

TEI has reached technological maturity to manufacture all sections of turbine engines. Nickel, Aluminium, Titanium alloys and stainless steel with different manufacturing technics...

01/2014, Red dots were the sections that TEI didn’t have capability to produce in 2014. Within 3 years, All defficiencies have been filled with new manufacturing technics...

Dinç Project: 240t melting capacity aviation quality stainless steel and nickel-based alloys required to be used in aerospace platforms for the defense industry and civil purposes.

The Atom project: This program aims to develop nickel metal powder suitable for layered manufacturing for aerospace applications

The Elektron Project: Development of a titanium layer process using the Electron Beam Melting (EBM) method.

The Ayna Project: Development of new generation Aluminum alloydevelopment

İnci Project: Manufacturing capability domestically for the titanium alloy parts needed in air platforms through precision casting method.

Yakut Project: Project aims at acquisition of the Metal Powder Laser Melting (LAM) process as well as the process modeling capability for manufacturing of functional parts that have advanced mechanical features and can operate under challenging conditions such as high pressure and temperature differences in aircraft engines.

The Dilek Project: backed up by the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, is carried out by TAI and TEI in collaboration with the aim of developing superplastic forming process for titanium alloyswhich are used in both platform and engine applications in aviation industry, and as a result reducing dependence on foreign sources.

Müge Project: The purpose of program is to develop Magnesium Alloy Casting technology.



TEI designed 9 stage compressor providing same press/airflow ratio with original HP compressor with 10 stage designed by GE.

TEI designed combustion chamber reached %98+ Combustion efficiency in trials. That is a good indication for compressors and fuel injection working efficienctly to mix optimum amount of air/fuel particulars (1/14) in chamber.

TEI is working on advanced blades cooling technology to minimize the maintenance costs, while improving the efficiency and reliability of national gas turbine engines.

You can see the single crystal blade produced by TEI and domestic partners. Single crystal blades are used on turbines.

This magical alloy for turbine blades have been manufactured with additive manufacturing method by
TEI.

The first FBS module manufactured with titanium moulding process has been seen on image.

Blade Repairing with laser cladding technology is being developed for gas turbine engines.

 

[Ansu fati]

Still too much western components in Turkey's warships. Including engines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCG_Anadolu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada-class_corvette

Wikipedia is not updated on this subject
For example phalanx ciws weapon is used on 2 or 3 ships but the last ship will have domestic version similar situation with radars and missiles
Turkey has bought these things before and certainly won’t throw them away just because it has now indigenous version of them (lots of harpoon missile but there is already domestic counterpart many previously foreign parts are localized as well)
Only the ship engines are foreign