UK Trident Submarine - A Nuclear disaster waiting to happen

[Transhumanist]

Not going to happen.... in 100 years nor 1 billions years.
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But they should develop SLBMs,so to be independent toward them,and they have the capabilities to do so.

I don't know if it's accurate @Transhumanist @SvenSvensonov

I don't know much unfortunately, and I don't think @SvenSvensonov would confirm sensitive operational details, command and control setups (like targeting arrangements) or anything that could compromise US and UK operational partnerships. This may be true and some of it is, the UK and US do visit each others docks for servicing, but that's not exclusive to the US. Some nations have basing agreements.

The US and UK joint manage the UK's weapons program, that's true as well. While the UK produces its own warheads, and shares Trident D-5s in a joint pool with the US, the US does provide know-how to the UK on warhead production.

The Trident D-5s, as stated above, are joint owned and shared, they don't belong to the US or UK and they aren't leased, they are shared. They are produced solely by the US though.

As for targeting information, I really don't know.

UK's nuclear deterrent entirely dependent on the US – crossparty report | UK news | The Guardian

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not going to happen.... in 100 years nor 1 billions years.
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But they should develop SLBMs,so to be independent toward them,and they have the capabilities to do so.

I don't know if it's accurate @Transhumanist @SvenSvensonov

It is hard to independently develop the intercontinental SLBM. This one of the biggest diamonds on the crown. I think you need the combine might of France/UK/Germany in order to match the capability of the Trident II.

Otherwise, they wouldn't buy the Trident II missile from the US.

I don't know much unfortunately, and I don't think @SvenSvensonov would confirm sensitive operational details, command and control setups (like targeting arrangements) or anything that could compromise US and UK operational partnerships. This may be true and some of it is, the UK and US do visit each others docks for servicing, but that's not exclusive to the US. Some nations have basing agreements.

The US and UK joint manage the UK's weapons program, that's true as well. While the UK produces its own warheads, and shares Trident D-5s in a joint pool with the US, the US does provide know-how to the UK on warhead production.

The Trident D-5s, as stated above, are joint owned and shared, they don't belong to the US or UK and they aren't leased, they are shared. They are produced solely by the US though.

As for targeting information, I really don't know.

UK's nuclear deterrent entirely dependent on the US – crossparty report | UK news | The Guardian

The Trident II is 100% American technology despite the so-called 'joint development' with the UK.

Just like the PAK FA is also 100% Russian technology despite the so-called 'joint development' with India.

Any doubt with that?

 

[Transhumanist]

The Trident II is 100% American technology despite the so-called 'joint development' with the UK.

OK? I said the US and UK jointly manage the Trident, not that they co-developed it.

Did you read what I wrote?

I think you need the combine might of France/UK/Germany in order to match the capability of the Trident II.

Considering that France has its own, the M51, I highly doubt your claim:

It matches the capability of Trident, and it is French and only French.

Specifications

Weight 52,000 kg
Length 12.0 m
Diameter 2.3 m
Warhead M51.1 = 6 to 10 TN 75 MIRV 107 kiloton (kt) (420 TJ), with penetration aids.
M51.2 (2015) = using the new Tête nucléaire océanique 150 kt / CEP 150-200 m
Engine three stage Solid-fuel rocket(Ammonium perchlorate composite propellant)
Operational range 8,000-10,000 km
Speed Mach 25

Versus Trident II

Specifications
Weight 130,000 lb (59,000 kg)
Length 44 ft 6.6 in (13.579 m)
Diameter 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) (1st stage)
Warhead Multiple W88 or W76thermonuclear weapons
Engine Three Solid-fuel rocket motors; first & second stage -Thiokol/Hercules solid-fueled rocket; third stage - United Technologies Corp. solid-fueled rocket
Propellant Nitrate ester, Plasticized Polyethylene Glycol
Operational range With full load 7,840 kilometres (4,230 nmi); with reduced load approx. 11,300 km (6,100 nmi) (exact is classified)
Speed Approximately 18,030 mph (29,020 km/h) (Mach 24; 8,060 m/s) (terminal phase)

@Gabriel92 does this guy know what he's talking about?

 

[jammersat]

The UK had a nuke submarine crisis when scotland wanted to hold a referendum too , shouldn't take them seriously

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

OK? I said the US and UK jointly manage the Trident, not that they co-developed it.

Did you read what I wrote?



Considering that France has its own, the M51, I highly doubt your claim:

It matches the capability of Trident, and it is French and only French.

Specifications

Weight 52,000 kg
Length 12.0 m
Diameter 2.3 m
Warhead M51.1 = 6 to 10 TN 75 MIRV 107 kiloton (kt) (420 TJ), with penetration aids.
M51.2 (2015) = using the new Tête nucléaire océanique 150 kt / CEP 150-200 m
Engine three stage Solid-fuel rocket(Ammonium perchlorate composite propellant)
Operational range 8,000-10,000 km
Speed Mach 25

Versus Trident II

Specifications
Weight 130,000 lb (59,000 kg)
Length 44 ft 6.6 in (13.579 m)
Diameter 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) (1st stage)
Warhead Multiple W88 or W76thermonuclear weapons
Engine Three Solid-fuel rocket motors; first & second stage -Thiokol/Hercules solid-fueled rocket; third stage - United Technologies Corp. solid-fueled rocket
Propellant Nitrate ester, Plasticized Polyethylene Glycol
Operational range With full load 7,840 kilometres (4,230 nmi); with reduced load approx. 11,300 km (6,100 nmi) (exact is classified)
Speed Approximately 18,030 mph (29,020 km/h) (Mach 24; 8,060 m/s) (terminal phase)

@Gabriel92 does this guy know what he's talking about?

Compared to the 150/150 launch spree of the Trident II, how many times the M51 has been successful so far?

As i remember so far, the M51 has failed its last launch two years ago, and the problems haven't been solved yet.

 

[Transhumanist]

Compared to the 150/150 launch spree of the Trident II, how many times the M51 has been successful so far?

As i remember so far, the M51 has failed its last launch two years ago, and the problems haven't been solved yet.

You remember wrong. One failure after 5 successful launches and you deem the program in trouble?

Sorry, it's in service (it has been since 2010) and isn't having problems.

Oh and the Russian Bulava failed 4 out of 7 times in its first 7 launches, what do you think of it?

Trident D-5's first launch was a failure too:

M51 isn't having problems and you've no supporting evidence to claim it is.

 

[Gabriel92]

Compared to the 150/150 launch spree of the Trident II, how many times the M51 has been successful so far?

As i remember so far, the M51 has failed its last launch two years ago, and the problems haven't been solved yet.

The M51.1 has been launched 6 times and failed only once,anyway it will be (starting in 2015) progressively replaced by the M51.2. (To be equipped with new TNO warheads, the M51.2 will have an intercontintental range.)
Fails happen sometimes,and better to fail in exercise so we can improve it,than fail in real mission.
Fails happen everywhere,just like how the Bulava failed many times.

You remember wrong. One failure after 5 successful launches and you deem the program in trouble?

Sorry, it's in service (it has been since 2010) and isn't having problems.

Oh and the Russian Bulava failed 4 out of 7 times in its first 7 launches, what do you think of it?

Trident D-5's first launch was a failure too:

M51 isn't having problems and you've no supporting evidence to claim it is.

Man,the day a chinese missile fails,you won't hear him for years...

 

[Transhumanist]

Man,the day a chinese missile fails,you won't hear him for years...

You mean like this?

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Case and point: everyone fails, it happens.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You remember wrong. One failure after 5 successful launches and you deem the program in trouble?

Sorry, it's in service (it has been since 2010) and isn't having problems.

Oh and the Russian Bulava failed 4 out of 7 times in its first 7 launches, what do you think of it?

Trident D-5's first launch was a failure too:

M51 isn't having problems and you've no supporting evidence to claim it is.

USA/Russia/China's SLBMs haven't been failed in the recent time.

Whilst France has failed in the most recent and haven't been redeemed its failure because they haven't fully mastered it.

 

[Gabriel92]

USA/Russia/China's SLBMs haven't been failed in the recent time.

Whilst France has failed in the most recent and haven't been redeemed its failure because they haven't fully mastered it.

Bulava failed at the same year M51 failed. (2013) Genius.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Bulava failed at the same year M51 failed. (2013) Genius.

Well, the Bulava has already redeemed the previous failure in the following year, while the M51 hasn't done that yet.

 

[Penguin]

Re. the last item on that list. ... what coverup?
HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant submarine collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear submarines collide in Atlantic | UK news | The Guardian
BBC NEWS | UK | Nuclear subs collide in Atlantic
etc

 

[Indus Falcon]

UK serviceman in custody over nuclear subs safety ‘flaws’ leak
McNeilly said he was expecting to face jail
Published: May 19, 2015
AFP

LONDON: A junior British serviceman who published allegations of safety and security lapses around Britain’s submarine-based nuclear missile defence system is now in military police custody, the Royal Navy said Tuesday.

William McNeilly, 25, claimed Britain’s nuclear deterrent was a “disaster waiting to happen” and vulnerable to a terror attack.

The newly qualified engineer published an 18-page report on the internet entitled “The Nuclear Secrets” last week then went absent without leave.

He said he intended to hand himself in and is now being detained at a military establishment.

McNeilly said he was expecting to face jail.

“We can confirm that Able Seaman McNeilly was apprehended last night and is now in the custody of the Royal Navy Police at a military establishment in Scotland where he is being afforded the duty of care that we give to all of our people,” a Royal Navy spokeswoman said.

“The Royal Navy disagrees with McNeilly’s subjective and unsubstantiated personal views but we take the operation of our submarines and the safety of our personnel extremely seriously and so continue to fully investigate the circumstances of this issue.”

A Facebook post understood to be from McNeilly’s brother said the serviceman handed himself in.

McNeilly’s report alleged 30 safety and security flaws surrounding the submarines, which are based on the west coast of Scotland.

McNeilly claimed there were fire risks and leaks on board and that security checks were rarely conducted on personnel and contractors working on the submarines in dock.

He also alleged that alarms had been muted because they went off so often, missile safety procedures had been ignored and top secret information was left unguarded.

The current Trident missile-based nuclear weapons system is reaching the end of its operational shelf life and debate about whether to renew it was one of the key topics in the British general election earlier this month.

Prime Minister David Cameron’s Conservatives, which formed a majority government after the May 7 vote, are committed to replacing the four submarines “to provide the ultimate guarantee of our safety”.

UK serviceman in custody over nuclear subs safety ‘flaws’ leak | GulfNews.com