UK foreign ministry to raise issue of treatment of minorities with Pakistan

[shahbaz baig]

why O people why dont you think if Islam gave you the complete system of life cycle about each and everything. so why do you have doubts about 5 times prayers.

prayers is for you, yes for you not for God. there is only one thing in Islam for God which is fast in Ramadan, God wants nothing from you except the implementation of sharia on earth. (and sharia is a system to live a life by sharing, earning, research, development, economy, morality, strategy, love & peace, action against occupier/atrocities etc )

let me tell you why prayers is necessary for you. because prayers is to only save you from shetaan (Devil).

when God was going to put vitality/birth inside Prophet Adam's physical body structure in the mean while God ordered to all jinns that bow down infront of Prophet Adam, All the jinns accepted the order except shetan (Devil). when God asked to devil that why didn't you obey the order so he replied why should i obey when i have superiority then the Adam. God said no you are wrong, today i created human and human is the most superior creation which i have ever made (because human has weakness and at the same time strong thoughts to overcome the weakness so that human will be able to implement the law of God in world), so tell me who is superior, who works hard to get the right path (human) or who simply already got a right path(Jinns). A devil replied no i am the superior & Leader of Jin and challenged to God that he will prove himself that he is superior because of more powers then human. Devil said i beg you God give me a chance till the day of judgement, i will provoke to your creation(including human & Jin) so the human would not get the right path by hardworking. then God replied because you had been obeying my order for long time so i accept your challenge otherwise i could punish you now but remember the human who follows my teaching will never come to you. and those will follow you i will punish them along with your Devil Generation. because you and they deserve the punishment.

so my friend! spiritually only prayers can save you from Devil's provocation. forcing is not allowed in islam but only guidance is it's up to you. either you will be a follower of devil or the followers of God.

@Kash_Ninja

 

[Nalini]

There are many like these moron dsr in Pakistan & around the Muslim world. They won't even have valid justification or explanation for their position. If it's mentioned in Quran, it's the right path & that should be the norm. My way or the highway. And even national Tv have such cartoons like Zaid Hamid.

Whatever you explain or try with Zaid Hamid, he will never ever accept there can be peace & brotherhood with Hindus or Jews. Ask him what are all the possibilities of solving Indo-Pak tensions - he will have only & only one option - Attack India. As you sow so you reap. You can't blame India when we have seen such hate filled & extremist mindset which doesn't change. You have to talk their language. That's exactly what the whole world is doing.

Sorry to say, but as long as such people exist in society, as long as the country as a whole won't talk peace you will see Modis, Trumps, Geert Wilders, Pamela Gellers increase in the world. The day such dsr & Zaid Hamids say Hindus are our brothers & if they can pray & participate with other religious people & respect others beliefs & practices there will be some hope, if not Pakistan will fast head towards it dissolution.

Very soon you will hear another accusation & attack by another country against Pakistan. Hope it's not Al Qaeda again. Only peace with India will end your misery.

 

[Wolfhunter]

There are many like these moron dsr in Pakistan & around the Muslim world. They won't even have valid justification or explanation for their position. If it's mentioned in Quran, it's the right path & that should be the norm. My way or the highway. And even national Tv have such cartoons like Zaid Hamid.

Whatever you explain or try with Zaid Hamid, he will never ever accept there can be peace & brotherhood with Hindus or Jews. Ask him what are all the possibilities of solving Indo-Pak tensions - he will have only & only one option - Attack India. As you sow so you reap. You can't blame India when we have seen such hate filled & extremist mindset which doesn't change. You have to talk their language. That's exactly what the whole world is doing.

Sorry to say, but as long as such people exist in society, as long as the country as a whole won't talk peace you will see Modis, Trumps, Geert Wilders, Pamela Gellers increase in the world. The day such dsr & Zaid Hamids say Hindus are our brothers & if they can pray & participate with other religious people & respect others beliefs & practices there will be some hope, if not Pakistan will fast head towards it dissolution.

Very soon you will hear another accusation & attack by another country against Pakistan. Hope it's not Al Qaeda again. Only peace with India will end your misery.

This Zahid hamid fellow is dangerous and clearly has mental health issues, I cannot believe that they give people like him air time on serious news channels. He is akin or Tony Robinson and Paul "Fat Bastard" Goulding, a hate preacher with nothing sensible to say.

 

[Hamza913]

There are many like these moron dsr in Pakistan & around the Muslim world. They won't even have valid justification or explanation for their position. If it's mentioned in Quran, it's the right path & that should be the norm. My way or the highway. And even national Tv have such cartoons like Zaid Hamid.

Whatever you explain or try with Zaid Hamid, he will never ever accept there can be peace & brotherhood with Hindus or Jews. Ask him what are all the possibilities of solving Indo-Pak tensions - he will have only & only one option - Attack India. As you sow so you reap. You can't blame India when we have seen such hate filled & extremist mindset which doesn't change. You have to talk their language. That's exactly what the whole world is doing.

Sorry to say, but as long as such people exist in society, as long as the country as a whole won't talk peace you will see Modis, Trumps, Geert Wilders, Pamela Gellers increase in the world. The day such dsr & Zaid Hamids say Hindus are our brothers & if they can pray & participate with other religious people & respect others beliefs & practices there will be some hope, if not Pakistan will fast head towards it dissolution.

Very soon you will hear another accusation & attack by another country against Pakistan. Hope it's not Al Qaeda again. Only peace with India will end your misery.

At least have the decency to tag me when you slander me, and not back chat like some old mother in law.

Yes, if it's in the Quran or sahih ahadith then that's that (in Muslim majority countries). If people already believe in Islam, then they must implement it.

Hindus and Jews and any Kafirs (other than apostates) can live in Muslim majority nations so long as they obey the law and the able bodied men among them pay their taxes. I have never said otherwise. However, I will never, EVER call a person outside the Abarahmic faiths my brother nor will I ever participate in any non Islamic festivals, including secular ones such as birthdays or happy new year.

We will never have peace with Hindustan unless and until it leaves Kashmir, stops trying to destroy us and ceases all hostilities against Muslims in general.

 

[Vortex]

Only an idiot would assume you to be correct.



Pakistan is the only country founded on the basis of Islam, one of the few Muslim countries that makes its own weapons, the only Muslim country that has nukes, has the largest active military of any Muslim country, most of its people consider themselves Muslim before anything else and they also want Sharia. Pakistan is suited to be a Caliiphate or at the very least ruled by Sharia, all that is required are a few changes.

The way a Caliphate works has similarities but also differences with democratic states.

Islam does not preach democracy. You have understood Islam wrong. VERY wrong.

Isn't the way of functionning of the governance you described the same as in democracies (agreed that there are some differencies, as in each democraties all over the world) ?
Each democraties vote law thats suit there belief be they are from jewish faith, christian one, and why not muslim one.

if you get rid of Riba (interest from banking system), pronography from current western democracy then you will have a shadow of Sharia but still many things would be there to be reformed to complete the system of life cycle. In Islam both interests in banking system and pronogrpahy in society are prohibited. and you need to understand the core/basics that why they are prohibited.

because interests does not share the loss with poor peoples in business and always get profits no matter if poor has to sale out the property too in order to pay the loans. so the richest can be a more richest and poor can be a more poorest and the human kind cant get the equal treatment and facilities in this world. on the other end Islam suggests the alternative (Sadqa-o-Kherat) that banks and richest themselves should find out the poor people in every corner of the world but first find out them nearest and invest on them and share profit (money,food,gold or future planing for human kind etc) and loss under an agreement. Islam orders to richest that you should always search(Tahqiq) the business and invest, dont keep the heavy amount of money (antihoarding) for your self but only for the poverty. Islam says if you prefer interest on loan you declare a war with God.

Pronography in society is just like cancer for human moralities, spirituality, minds and it can lead you toward disaster of the society where you will have no values for your families, relatives then forget about the rest of world. because you dont value others. that's why it's prohibited in Islam.

now lets talk about Caliphates, God does not like fighting between two nominee of Caliphate rather suggest the debates (Salah-o-Mashwarh) about the sharia system's economy,funding etc but not about the sect infront of audience at any platform (mimber of mosque, TV channel, stage etc). A caliph can be from any sect of Muslims (those believe on God and believe on Muhammad P.B.U.H as last messenger of God) but only on one condition that he should be well educated according to Islamic economical, strategical System, and should have well knowledge of people needs and crises with his own vision and solutions. if one of nominee Caliph get success to inspire other nominee then the problem solve, otherwise they should go through the voting system by the (Shura) audience (audience should be muttaqi no matter if they belong to different sects). the righteous sect will be decided by God on the day of judgment not by you and me in this world.
Islam also allows non-muslims as a policy makers. But not as a leader because non-muslims cant understand the sharia untill study about islam. And if non-muslim study about islamic economy, funding,sharing etc i bet you non-muslim will accept islam that's why non-muslim cant implement sharia system, but at same time they are allowed to participate in a system so you can have brilliant, visionary non-muslims in parliament.

@Vortex @dsr478 @Kash_Ninja

Impechment in USA, snap elections in others democraties are what is called "take over by force", force of law.

Discussions, same as in parliments and differents bodies of democracies, and in last resort in case if someone is not agreed he could send a request to the State Council body (France) which is independant body to check if the law is "constitution" compliant or not... and no discrimintions.


The riba (interest rate) is not linked to Democratic system because it also existed in the monarchic systems... but i agreed its not good system.
I read sometimes ago an article about islamic banking system being more stable than western banking system, and specifically during the subprimes crisis of 2008. It's more like stock exchange were you share the loss/profit with the companies.

Agreed also about all kind of pornography... but forbid it wont eradicate it. It will just push it in hidden underground. What is needed is education. And Education of girls who some of them are going there on there own will, and some others are "hijacked"... Help them to get degrees and honest jobs and treat them with respect and they won't go there anymore. But sure it is not as simple as i said. there are many factors pushing girls and boys going there. Who want its sister, mother or wife go there ? nobody. But if not everyone, at east most of people accept sisters of others, mothers of others , and wifes of others go there. Sad but very true.




Is there any website who conducted a comparative study of the democracy sytem and sharia driven system ? Because according to me (my knowledge is limited) the more we discussed and more i believe that democratic system is the system of Islam.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Impechment in USA, snap elections in others democraties are what is called "take over by force", force of law.

Discussions, same as in parliments and differents bodies of democracies, and in last resort in case if someone is not agreed he could send a request to the State Council body (France) which is independant body to check if the law is "constitution" compliant or not... and no discrimintions.


The riba (interest rate) is not linked to Democratic system because it also existed in the monarchic systems... but i agreed its not good system.
I read sometimes ago an article about islamic banking system being more stable than western banking system, and specifically during the subprimes crisis of 2008. It's more like stock exchange were you share the loss/profit with the companies.

Agreed also about all kind of pornography... but forbid it wont eradicate it. It will just push it in hidden underground. What is needed is education. And Education of girls who some of them are going there on there own will, and some others are "hijacked"... Help them to get degrees and honest jobs and treat them with respect and they won't go there anymore. But sure it is not as simple as i said. there are many factors pushing girls and boys going there. Who want its sister, mother or wife go there ? nobody. But if not everyone, at east most of people accept sisters of others, mothers of others , and wifes of others go there. Sad but very true.

Is there any website who conducted a comparative study of the democracy sytem and sharia driven system ? Because according to me (my knowledge is limited) the more we discussed and more i believe that democratic system is the system of Islam.

No there is not any website who conducted a genuine comparative study of Democratic and sharia system. the study conducted either by European christians (those don't fully understand Islam) or either by stupid Maddarsa Molvies (those seek benefits for themselves and excluded the rights of woman, Non-Muslims in Islam, and described whatever suits to extremist Mulla'a Group & co in every sects of islam). basically those narrow minded Molvis are the biggest reason, they are not willing to understand the basic point of Islam that in islam the enforcement cant be allowed to implement the sharia from the beginning. i.e.. people used to throw the stones on Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H when P.B.U.H started the preaching of Islam in a peaceful manner and he never forced any one to accept islam, he only used the force in order to retaliate against the haters of sharia system against occupier/atrocities. so therefore it is called "take over by force", force of law in European or any country, just because of those pathetic narrow minded so called Islamic molvies. and the people like you and me are not allowed to publish without their permission you have to have certificates otherwise you will get sanctioned with the label of kafir.

as you said about interest rate that you agreed its not good system. but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.

now pornography, when our society is teaching about sexuality to the unmatured children from the begging as part of their education then i dont see any betterment. our society will further disobey the elders with such educational system. when a society it self cant even ban the pornography, the society is applying unmature, unhealthy implementation just like parental lock. i mean seriously is this our solution ? no it cant be a solution because childs will find out other-way the way which we have provided in the society. we need to eradicate the provided source of sexutily within the society. and yes i agree first start from educational system and introduce religious spiritual way of Christianity, Judaism ,Hinduism,Islamic for this specific purpose only.

as i said before we should get rid of interest rate and pornography for the betterment of humankind then it will be similar to sharia system. forget about the rest first implement this two core points first.

there are few true Islamic scholar those can tell us the prefect system.

1. Dr. Zakir Naik for preaching according to sharia.
2. Dr. Tahir ul Qadri for legislation, laws in sharia.
3. Imran N. Hosein for economic system, world politics, and modern socio-economic/political issues in sharia.
4. Late Dr. Israr Ahmed Guidelines to understand the way of forward to sharia.

i am the follower of all above mentioned Islmic scholars and we need to study perfect education of Islam by those mentioned islamic scholors for the specific field. but know what our pathetic madrassas Molvies dont consider them as an Islamic scholars because all the mentioned Islamic scholars never went to their Pathetic KSA/Iran funded madrassas. but fortunately the mentioned Islamic scholars have their own educational system & network.

@dsr478

 

[Vortex]

No there is not any website who conducted a genuine comparative study of Democratic and sharia system. the study conducted either by European christians (those don't fully understand Islam) or either by stupid Maddarsa Molvies (those seek benefits for themselves and excluded the rights of woman, Non-Muslims in Islam, and described whatever suits to extremist Mulla'a Group & co in every sects of islam). basically those narrow minded Molvis are the biggest reason, they are not willing to understand the basic point of Islam that in islam the enforcement cant be allowed to implement the sharia from the beginning. i.e.. people used to throw the stones on Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H when P.B.U.H started the preaching of Islam in a peaceful manner and he never forced any one to accept islam, he only used the force in order to retaliate against the haters of sharia system. so therefore it is called "take over by force", force of law in European or any country, just because of those pathetic narrow minded so called Islamic molvies. and the people like you and me are not allowed to publish without their permission you have to have certificates otherwise you will get sanctioned with the label of kafir.

as you said about interest rate that you agreed its not good system. but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.

now pornography, when our society is teaching about sexuality to the unmatured children from the begging as part of their education then i dont see any betterment. our society will further disobey the elders with such educational system. when a society it self cant even ban the pornography, the society is applying unmature, unhealthy implementation just like parental lock. i mean seriously is this our solution ? no it cant be a solution because childs will find out other-way the way which we have provided in the society. we need to eradicate the provided source of sexutily within the society. and yes i agree first start from educational system and introduce religious spiritual way of Christianity, Judaism ,Hinduism,Islamic for this specific purpose only.

as i said before we should get rid of interest rate and pornography for the betterment of humankind then it will be similar to sharia system. forget about the rest first implement this two core points first.

Many thanks for your well written answer with which I agree totally except 2 points.

1st point which i didn't got what you mean. Please can you develop it if you have time ?

...[he only used the force in order to retaliate against the haters of sharia system.]...


Second point :

..[
but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.]...

The interest rate is also forbidden in christian faith I think. In the past, the jewish peoples were discriminated and banned to have "normal" jobs. They were left with working with money, and thus they used the interest we call riba. Since the monarchies were eliminated, this practice (interests) was not eliminated as the banking system was at in its infancy and it was in the hand of the same people which had worked only with money as way to earn their life. So even if the riba is accepted by these societies, we can't say that the riba is linked with democracies. I may be wrong in my analysis as my knowloedge is limited.

 

[shahbaz baig]

Many thanks for your well written answer with which I agree totally except 2 points.

1st point which i didn't got what you mean. Please can you develop it if you have time ?

...[he only used the force in order to retaliate against the haters of sharia system.]...


Second point :

..[
but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.]...

The interest rate is also forbidden in christian faith I think. In the past, the jewish peoples were discriminated and banned to have "normal" jobs. They were left with working with money, and thus they used the interest we call riba. Since the monarchies were eliminated, this practice (interests) was not eliminated as the banking system was in the hand of the same people which had only money as way to earn their life. So even if the riba is accepted by these societies, we can't say that the riba is linked with democracies. I may be wrong in my analysis as my knowloedge is limited.

i updated the my previous comment please read it.

he only used the force in order to retaliate against the haters of sharia system against occupier/atrocities.

when we know that interest rate, pornography are not good for human kind and it is prohibited in sharia. so yes islam allows the strict rules to eradicate such system that can be a cancer for the society. force means take action against prostitute academies those are responsible of making pornography. force does not only means a military offensive attack.

but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.

you are talking about faith yes interest rate are forbidden in Christianity/Islam/Judaism but dont forget there is another modern jewish sect called Zionist who rules the world. in Christianity and in Islam the interest rate is forbidden for all the humankind but in Judaism the interest rate is forbidden only for Jewish peoples. and the democratic system controlled by Zionist and they prefer interest rate.

there are few true Islamic scholar those can tell us the prefect system.

1. Dr. Zakir Naik for preaching according to sharia.
2. Dr. Tahir ul Qadri for legislation, laws in sharia.
3. Imran N. Hosein for economic system, world politics, and modern socio-economic/political issues in sharia.
4. Late Dr. Israr Ahmed Guidelines to understand the way of forward to sharia.

i am the follower of all above mentioned Islmic scholars and we need to study perfect education of Islam by those mentioned islamic scholors for the specific field. but you know what our pathetic madrassas Molvies dont consider them as an Islamic scholars because all the mentioned Islamic scholars never went to their Pathetic KSA/Iran funded madrassas. but fortunately the mentioned Islamic scholars have their own educational system & network.

 

[Vortex]

@shahbaz baig

Many thanks for your very clear reply.

 

[Solomon2]

but only democratic system keeps the interest rate intact with the system, so it's indirectly a part of democratic banking system.

you are talking about faith yes interest rate are forbidden in Christianity/Islam/Judaism but dont forget there is another modern jewish sect called Zionist who rules the world. in Christianity and in Islam the interest rate is forbidden for all the humankind but in Judaism the interest rate is forbidden only for Jewish peoples. and the democratic system controlled by Zionist and they prefer interest rate.

"Zionist who rules the world"? Seriously? Believing that because I'm a Jew I don't pay interest on loans? Or that what's written in religious laws is always how Jews believe or practice today? Or that Zionism is a "Jewish sect"?

It's all cr*p. Whoever taught you this stuff was perpetrating ignorance - at least that's what you're doing right now. Pakistan's freedom of speech may currently be so limited that you can't disseminate the truth but at the very least you can refrain from the slanders.

 

[Vortex]

Jewish have strong control over media, over politicians in Europe and in USA.
As an example example, look at french politicians, when a french Jewish is attacked by some french arabs, every politicians is out ontv saying " an attack on french Jewish, it is an attack on FRANCE, an attack on the french republic."

But i never heard them when same people attacked non-jewish french people !? So who control whom in Fance at least ?

About the nterest paid or not paid by jewish people,may it was the case at the start, but nowadays maybe its not the case for all. But for sure whenever a jewish want to start a busness, financing its business is very easy... Yes they are friends of other jewishs business owners so they can lend money without interest.. but that could happen also within others communities...

 

[shahbaz baig]

"Zionist who rules the world"? Seriously? Believing that because I'm a Jew I don't pay interest on loans? Or that what's written in religious laws is always how Jews believe or practice today? Or that Zionism is a "Jewish sect"?

It's all cr*p. Whoever taught you this stuff was perpetrating ignorance - at least that's what you're doing right now. Pakistan's freedom of speech may currently be so limited that you can't disseminate the truth but at the very least you can refrain from the slanders.

Yup according to your religion the chosen people are jewish people.. And you should not take it as "superiority". You should have translated the word "chosen" like this way for example: you to do the work; you are my ‘chosen’ child.” In this way, all people are chosen for something. Jews specifically have been chosen to, or have chosen to, be of service for all haman kind without interest rate but on behalf of profit and loss, so that the world may be a more just place.

but unfortunailty your whole implementation indicates that you people take this word "chosen" as a suprior creation of God.

ISRAEL CENTRAL BANK TO KEEP INTEREST RATE AT 0.1 PERCENT

Now dont say that IMF or any other biggest banking systems are not controlled by jews people. Those are your banks and dictates, maintain "interest rate" for all, Why dont you people exclude this cancer from the society and why dont you people work on behalf of profit and loss ?

0.1 intrest rate is nothing which your banks chosen for israel only, i am not saying because of jealousy. No i dont have jealousy at all. I am saying the way you people implement the "interest rate" in this world it indicates that only a jewish people are really a superior creation.

 

[Solomon2]

Yup according to your religion the chosen people are jewish people.. And you should not take it as "superiority". You should have translated the word "chosen" like this way for example -

Oh, we Jews should "translate" a word the way you demand just so it can fit into your desire and continue to divert from the thread topic?

 

[shahbaz baig]

Oh, we Jews should "translate" a word the way you demand just so it can fit into your desire and continue to divert from the thread topic?

I am not habitual of talking but with some logics only and mostly comment to person according to his reply to me anyway this is not a demand but suggestion. Well by ignoring this suggestion.. Are you accepting that jews are supiror among all human kind ?

 

[Solomon2]

I am not habitual of talking but with some logics only and mostly comment to person according to his reply to me anyway this is not a demand but suggestion. Well by ignoring this suggestion.. Are you accepting that jews are supiror among all human kind ?

You're still trolling, shabaz.