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UK Cannot Strip Returning Islamic State Fighters Of British Citizenship: Cameron And Clegg


The UK, which is looking for ways to prevent the return of its citizens fighting Islamist wars in the Middle East, cannot confiscate their passports or revoke their citizenship as it would mean a breach of international law, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said Tuesday, according to the Guardian.

The British government is examining the possibility of keeping British jihadis, fighting wars alongside organizations like the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, from returning to the country for fear they could pose a threat to national security. However, Prime Minister David Cameron, who raised the terrorist threat level in the country to 'severe' said on Monday that there were legal issues in implementing previously suggested plans, and instead introduced a set of new measures to deal with the re-entry of such citizens, the Guardian reported.

Clegg reportedly defended Cameron's anti-terrorism measures while speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today program, saying, that "taking people's passports away temporarily at the British borders if they want to leave, drafting legislation so that we can protect existing powers on passport confiscation under so-called royal prerogative … those are significant, specific and targeted measures which he announced yesterday to fill the gaps that clearly do exist.

"What the prime minister equally said is that we need to have a discussion and examine how we can and whether we can do more to stop people returning in the first place," he said, adding: “We're not going to do anything which clashes with both our international and domestic legal principles and obligations.”

David Anderson, the UK’s independent reviewer of terrorism, reportedly said there would be problems in giving police the powers to take away the passports of UK citizens and leaving them stateless.

On Friday, government sources had indicated they would try to make it easier to revoke the passports of jihadis returning to the country even as Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, repeated his call to strip British jihadis of their citizenship.

Addressing parliament on Monday, Cameron reportedly said that the UK needed “clear discretionary power to allow us to exclude British nationals from the UK." Under the new rules, proposed by Cameron, UK police can revoke a passport for up to 30 days, but this will be subject to judicial review.

While Cameron admitted there were legal difficulties in preventing jihadis from returning to the country, he added that measures to prevent their return were necessary.

Addressing members of parliament, Cameron reportedly said: “It is abhorrent that people who declare their allegiance elsewhere can return to the United Kingdom and pose a threat to our national security. We are clear in principle that what we need is a targeted, discretionary power to allow us to exclude British nationals from the UK."

Dominic Grieve, a former attorney general, had previous warned the government that taking away the passports of UK citizens returning to the country would break international as well as UK common law, the Guardian reported. "Even taking such powers on a temporary basis is likely to be a non-starter," Grieve reportedly said, and suggested the best course of action was to prosecute returning jihadis in UK courts.

There are as many as 500 UK citizens engaged in fighting for the Islamic State in Syria or northern Iraq, and their return would represent the single greatest threat to the country, Cameron reportedly told parliament. He had also refused to commit to the UK’s involvement in the conflict in Iraq and Syria, saying there was no request from Washington for the same, after the U.S. launched air strikes against Islamic State targets.

However, he reportedly said: “We should ask ourselves how we best help those people on the ground who are doing vital work in countering [Islamic State],” and added that in Libya “the British government must reserve the right to act immediately and inform the House of Commons afterwards," the Guardian reported.
 
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Sure they can. Declare them a threat to state security and whoops they are persona non grata.
 
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This was the plan the entire time. Let the terrorists into the country then take away whatever freedom is left to the people by scaring the shite out of them.

If you try and take someones freedoms away by force. Most times they will fight you. But if you plant a fear so great in their hearts they will willingly give you everything if you promise to keep them safe.

Its how you control stupid weak minded people. The uk has killed millions during its and the mi6s reign of terror on the world. And the uk people benefitted from the rape pillage and colonization their goverments commited. One day it will be time to pay the piper. That day is fast approaching. The world wont shed a tear for you when its your turn.
 
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WTH, i dont understand our politicians. They always try to be too politically correct, and quoting 'human rights' on every things. Even against terrorists who endanger the lives of british citizens they are still quoting their 'human rights' bullshits? Unbelieveable. :angry:

Thats one reason i like/respect the U.S if it was in the U.S these scums will be executed or sent to Guantanamo or just disapear. These scums dont give a shit about civilians, old people, children,women or whatever. They will kill/behead/stab/massacre any of them as far as it means they are fighting their Jihad against 'infidels' they think they are doing the world a favour. So our governments quoting human rights for them is all but laughable/unbelievable. Its because of this mentality that the U.K has become a safe heaven for muslim terrorists/extremists in Europe and the world now. Since they know when they come/land in this country, they will protected with every laws available and their 'human rights' will be protected even when they commit treason/crimes/indoctrinate/preach hate.

The U.K is already the hub/refuge for jihadists in Europe as witnessed by the number of british now fighting their Jihad in Syria and Iraq. Soon we will be hub of these extremists/fanatics in the world overtaking even countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.:disagree:
 
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WTH, i dont understand our politicians. They always try to be too politically correct, and quoting 'human rights' on every things. Even against terrorists who endanger the lives of british citizens they are still quoting their 'human rights' bullshits? Unbelieveable. :angry:

@mike2000

But from a legal perspective, one country's judicial authority has no jurisdiction over foreign soil
 
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This was the plan the entire time. Let the terrorists into the country then take away whatever freedom is left to the people by scaring the shite out of them.

If you try and take someones freedoms away by force. Most times they will fight you. But if you plant a fear so great in their hearts they will willingly give you everything if you promise to keep them safe.

Its how you control stupid weak minded people. The uk has killed millions during its and the mi6s reign of terror on the world. And the uk people benefitted from the rape pillage and colonization their goverments commited. One day it will be time to pay the piper. That day is fast approaching. The world wont shed a tear for you when its your turn.

You are one hundred percent correct on this matter. They can easily do so, but they prefer not to. Partially to strip the people of more rights but also some other thing.

They may even allow an attack or two to occur.
 
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Sure they can. Declare them a threat to state security and whoops they are persona non grata.

Appearently you dont know the meaning of persona non grata. It can only be applied to people with a foreign mission. In this case, no.

These fighters are UK citizens. You cant ship them to other countries just because UK gov. Or UK citizens wanted so. First of all, these terrorists originated from UK. It was UK responsibility to stop such acts. UK didnt do anything. Now if they come back somehow whether alive or in coffin, UK takes them according to Int. Law.
 
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You are one hundred percent correct on this matter. They can easily do so, but they prefer not to. Partially to strip the people of more rights but also some other thing.

They may even allow an attack or two to occur.
no, they cant do it....
other countries will retaliate and do the same for UK, that will leave UK nowhere.
Your citizens are your citizens, there is no way you can shy away from responsibility.
 
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no, they cant do it....
other countries will retaliate and do the same for UK, that will leave UK nowhere.
Your citizens are your citizens, there is no way you can shy away from responsibility.

Yes they can. Those individuals don't want to come back. Even if they try to, it will get them prison in life. I guarantee if those men joined Hezbollah or Hamas the UK would strip their citizenship. Even though Hezbollah and Hamas are nationalist movements. While ISIS is a radical movement that goes beyond several borders in the ME.
 
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Yes they can. Those individuals don't want to come back. Even if they try to, it will get them prison in life. I guarantee if those men joined Hezbollah or Hamas the UK would strip their citizenship. Even though Hezbollah and Hamas are nationalist movements. While ISIS is a radical movement that goes beyond several borders in the ME.
what will stripping citizenship involve? not allowing in?
that will piss off the country where these people are, dont you think?

Imagine India refuses to take the illegal migrants to UK saying its your problem.. will it work?
People who dont take decision ( or in opposition in politics) say all random stuff, once in power they know there are legal hurdle and international treaties to adhere to. Breaking them might be much more dangerous.
 
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This was the plan the entire time. Let the terrorists into the country then take away whatever freedom is left to the people by scaring the shite out of them.

If you try and take someones freedoms away by force. Most times they will fight you. But if you plant a fear so great in their hearts they will willingly give you everything if you promise to keep them safe.

Its how you control stupid weak minded people. The uk has killed millions during its and the mi6s reign of terror on the world. And the uk people benefitted from the rape pillage and colonization their goverments commited. One day it will be time to pay the piper. That day is fast approaching. The world wont shed a tear for you when its your turn.
You hate UK a lot mate,do you realise that ?
 
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what will stripping citizenship involve? not allowing in?
that will piss off the country where these people are, dont you think?
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Piss who off? Those individuals don't plan on returning. They are part of local organization in Iraq/Syria. They don't care about citizenship in UK. It's not a vacation trip to go to a place where war is raging.
 
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Piss who off? Those individuals don't plan on returning. They are part of local organization in Iraq/Syria. They don't care about citizenship in UK. It's not a vacation trip to go to a place where war is raging.
and what if they plan to return.. there was a news item about many kids who went to fight for ISIS are disillusioned and want to return.
If they dont return, UK does not face any threat anyway, so what are we arguing about.

Imagine an Indian terrorist sneaks into UK. India refuges to take him/her back. Or in case of Abu qatada, imagine jordan refuses to let him in because its UKs problem and they dont want problem in their country.
Everybody can play the same game, right?
 
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