UEFA admits Kosovo as 55th member, entry to 2018 World Cup next

[bosanski vojnik]

What different issue ? The Serbs are a different ethnicity in BH and if they want to stop being part of that state they should be supported.Unlike the kosovars they probably won't support their independence by organ trafficking on the black market either.What's the point in keeping them within a state they don't want to be part of ?

If Republica Srpska gets independence we could make up the numbers lost in BH by deporting all our gypsies in the Sarajevo areea and you'll all live happy ever after.Sounds good ? For a few coins I'm sure that they'll convert to,the gypsies are like that...just like your ancestors did for an easy life.Tough people like the Serbs weathered out the storm and kept their faith.

You and the greater part of Albanians are the disgrace of Europe by throwing your heritage to the garbage and selling your faith and culture-the only nations in here who did that.I'm not hatefull but I truly despise your lot.It's not even about what religion you chose,just the fact that an entire nation could betray its heritage in such a short span of time for material benefits ,turns my stomach upside down.

Yeah they will be supporting it by Genocide, rape and torture instead.

Nobody betrayed their heritage. Bosnians/Albanians converted to Islam. Some people to Catholicism and others to Orthodox.

It's just people like yourself are so blind with your hatred of Islam that you forget that Christianity also came from the semetic middle east and not from Europe. Anyway you really need to look in the mirror. Your hatred of Islam is no different to some of the propaganda put out to disgrace Romanians in the UK when they were given work entry in 2013.

Most Romanians I know of personally are nice level headed people. Mostly because they don't indulge in medieval nationalist myths like the serbs do. You unfortunately seem to be a stand out.

Serbia was a country that liberally engages in murder and rape and also aides and abets those that do.

Anyway, it was Blair that persuaded a reluctant Clinton to intervene in Kosovo. Blair may be a low-life but Kosovo was one thing he did right.

During the war in Bosnia it was not uncommon for Serb forces to burn Bosniaks alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Višegrad_massacres

In the Pionirska Street fire on the Serb holiday of "Vidovdan", on 14 June 1992, a group of 70 Bosniak civilians, mainly from the village of Koritnik, were locked en masse in a house on Pionirska Street, Višegrad. Some of the women were taken out and raped before being returned to the house. A grenade was then thrown inside, killing some. The house was then set ablaze and the occupants were left to burn to death. 59 people were killed but a handful survived. All of the survivors who were still alive came to testify before the ICTY Trial Chamber at the trial of Lukić's cousins.[11]

In the Bikavac fire on 27 June 1992, approximately 70 Bosniak civilians were forced into one room in a house in the settlement of Bikavac, near Višegrad. After the captives were robbed, the house was set on fire and the occupants were burned alive

Alot of the torture was gruesome as well. For example a childs father was killed and then his genitals would be cut off and the Serbs would then force the child to eat it.

 

[UKBengali]

Yeah they will be supporting it by Genocide, rape and torture instead.

Nobody betrayed their heritage. Bosnians/Albanians converted to Islam. Some people to Catholicism and others to Orthodox.

It's just people like yourself are so blind with your hatred of Islam that you forget that Christianity also came from the semetic middle east and not from Europe. Anyway you really need to look in the mirror. Your hatred of Islam is no different to some of the propaganda put out to disgrace Romanians in the UK when they were given work entry in 2013.

Most Romanians I know of personally are nice level headed people. Mostly because they don't indulge in medieval nationalist myths like the serbs do. You unfortunately seem to be a stand out.

This is the same as Indian Hindus accusing us Muslims of "betraying" our heritage by converting to Islam.
These idiots do not realise that there is no native religion as such since nearly every religion in existence now did not exist at the beginning of human history.

Serbs are a low-life people and they will live with the stigma of their orgy of murder and rape in the Balkans for many generations to come.

 

[Immortan.Joe]

This is the same as Indian Hindus accusing us Muslims of "betraying" our heritage by converting to Islam.
These idiots do not realise that there is no native religion as such since nearly every religion in existence now did not exist at the beginning of human history.

And how is this poster ( @flamer84 ) wrong in this regard?

You people did converted like Bosniaks for coin and comfort, and did betrayed your heritage for an objectively inferior religious ideology. In a way, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Turks and Persians are to Asia what Bosniaks are to Europe.

And Hinduism is oldest religion, probably as old as civilization itself, so this line of "no native religion" excuse is also invalid.

 

[vostok]

Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight.
Despite centuries of occupation, they have kept the faith of their fathers.

 

[Penguin]

Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight.
Despite centuries of occupation, they have kept the faith of their fathers.

Hahaha, a fairly one dimensional assessment, with a high blah level.

You will find that opportunities for (succesful) armed resistance correlates the physical features of terrain in various nations. There are no mountains or swamps or forrests in the Netherlands, for example, where you could hide and have a base for partisan activity. Hence, our resistance is much more oriented towards 'espionage / intel ' like activity in and urban setting, hiding people and making sure they get food and the right papers. Hence, emphasis on forgery, printing, on destroying municipal registrations in urban areas, stealing rationing cards and stamps etc. A different ball game.

Incidentally, our Dutch troops were not broken, but Hitler pulled a terror bombardment on the City of Rotterdam while ceasefire negiotiations were on-going. Dutch troops fought with antiquated equipment, sometimes dating back to 1870 era. We could not expect troops or support from England and France, as they were having their hands full. Hitler had planned to conquor our country in less than a day. Holding out to numerically and qualitatively superior force 4 times longer, with what they had available is good performance. Esp. when you consider our 'strategic depth' is limited (it takes 2 hours and 3 hours to drive through the our country east-west and north south respectively). We held out long enough and inflicted sufficient damage by capturing and moving to Britain a substantial portion of Germany's elite para and airborn troops, and destroying 350 Ju-52 transports, a loss that would hamper Nazi Germany's capability all the way down to and including the invasion of Crete in May-June 1941. Our government and head of state evacuated to UK in order to prevent our colonies (All of today's Indonesia, Surinam, some Carribean isles) from coming under nazi rule. Resources were made available untill occupied by Japan in 1942. And lets not forget which pact with whom made it possible for Hitler to begin war in Western Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manstein_Plan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_resistance

 

[vostok]

Hahaha, a fairly one dimensional assessment, with a high blah level.

You will find that opportunities for (succesful) armed resistance correlates the physical features of terrain in various nations. There are no mountains or swamps or forrests in the Netherlands, for example, where you could hide and have a base for partisan activity. Hence, our resistance is much more oriented towards 'espionage / intel ' like activity in and urban setting, hiding people and making sure they get food and the right papers. Hence, emphasis on forgery, printing, on destroying municipal registrations in urban areas, stealing rationing cards and stamps etc. A different ball game.

Incidentally, our Dutch troops were not broken, but Hitler pulled a terror bombardment on the City of Rotterdam while ceasefire negiotiations were on-going. Dutch troops fought with antiquated equipment, sometimes dating back to 1870 era. We could not expect troops or support from England and France, as they were having their hands full. Hitler had planned to conquor our country in less than a day. Holding out to numerically and qualitatively superior force 4 times longer, with what they had available is good performance. Esp. when you consider our 'strategic depth' is limited (it takes 2 hours and 3 hours to drive through the our country east-west and north south respectively). We held out long enough and inflicted sufficient damage by capturing and moving to Britain a substantial portion of Germany's elite para and airborn troops, and destroying 350 Ju-52 transports, a loss that would hamper Nazi Germany's capability all the way down to and including the invasion of Crete in May-June 1941. Our government and head of state evacuated to UK in order to prevent our colonies (All of today's Indonesia, Surinam, some Carribean isles) from coming under nazi rule. Resources were made available untill occupied by Japan in 1942. And lets not forget which pact with whom made it possible for Hitler to begin war in Western Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manstein_Plan

By the middle of 1943 partisan resistance to the Germans and their allies had grown from the dimensions of a mere nuisance to those of a major factor in the general situation. In many parts of occupied Europe the enemy was suffering losses at the hands of partisans that he could ill afford. Nowhere were these losses heavier than in Jugoslavia.[33]

— Basil Davidson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans
And what Pact? Pact of Pilsudski-Hitler? Or Anglo-German Naval Agreement? Or Declaration on mutual non-aggression pact between the UK and Germany, 1938? Or declaration on mutual non-aggression pact between France and Germany 1938?
The USSR was the last country to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler. It happened only after the collapse of the Soviet Union's attempts to form an alliance with Britain and France against Hitler.

 

[Penguin]

By the middle of 1943 partisan resistance to the Germans and their allies had grown from the dimensions of a mere nuisance to those of a major factor in the general situation. In many parts of occupied Europe the enemy was suffering losses at the hands of partisans that he could ill afford. Nowhere were these losses heavier than in Jugoslavia

— Basil Davidson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans

Indeed. And your statement "Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight." remains misplaced and offensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(World_War_II)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_resistance_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_resistance_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_resistance_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistance_in_German-occupied_Czechoslovakia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_in_World_War_II#Resistance_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism

The Molotov-Ribbentrop, inclusive secret protocols on Poland, of course. Polish resistance got treated nicely too 1945.

But of course, here in Western Europe, we all welcomed the Nazi German occpiers and kissed their little star.

 

[vostok]

Indeed. And your statement "Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight." is still misplaced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Resistance

The Molotov-Ribbentrop, inclusive secret protocols on Poland, of course.

Partisans Army of Yugoslavia were up to 250,000 people. In 1943 13 (!) Divisions of the Reich fought against it!
At the same time, the countries of Western Europe worked humbly for the benefit of the Reich, producing tanks, planes, trucks, ammunition, artillery, and so on.
Military resistance as such did not exist in Western countries.
Greece - was not a western country in those days. And there really was a significant guerrilla movement.

 

[bosanski vojnik]

Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight.
Despite centuries of occupation, they have kept the faith of their fathers.

ermm a large number of serbs fought for the nazis too

btw your analysis of WW2 is dead wrong. It was the combined effort of Western Countries and Soviet Union that managed to defeat Hitler. Let's not forget it was the UK and France who declared state of war against Germany first whilst at the same time the Russians were secretly negotiating with Hitler on the division of Poland.

Partisans Army of Yugoslavia were up to 250,000 people. In 1943 13 (!) Divisions of the Reich fought against it!
At the same time, the countries of Western Europe worked humbly for the benefit of the Reich, producing tanks, planes, trucks, ammunition, artillery, and so on.
Military resistance as such did not exist in Western countries.
Greece - was not a western country in those days. And there really was a significant guerrilla movement.

The successes of the Partisans were way overstated

If it was not for RAF support and the Rapid advance of the Soviets in late 1944 to early 1945 in the fields of Poland which the Germans were more interested in they would not have liberated much territory. Also the bulk of the forces they faced consisted of Hungarian, Slovene and Croatian collaborationist. This was not the cream of the Reich. Also the combined number of partisans from other nationalities were more numerous than the Serb members. If it was just a Serbian effort the successes would have been minimal.

 

[vostok]

ermm a large number of serbs fought for the nazis too

btw your analysis of WW2 is dead wrong. It was the combined effort of Western Countries and Soviet Union that managed to defeat Hitler. Let's not forget it was the UK and France who declared state of war against Germany first whilst at the same time the Russians were secretly negotiating with Hitler on the division of Poland.

The Soviet Union was making great efforts to create an alliance with Britain and France against Nazism. All of these efforts have been rejected in the years 1938-1939.
80% of German soldiers were killed in the war against the Soviet Union.

The successes of the Partisans were way overstated

If it was not for RAF support and the Rapid advance of the Soviets in late 1944 to early 1945 in the fields of Poland which the Germans were more interested in they would not have liberated much territory. Also the bulk of the forces they faced consisted of Hungarian, Slovene and Croatian collaborationist. This was not the cream of the Reich. Also the combined number of partisans from other nationalities were more numerous than the Serb members. If it was just a Serbian effort the successes would have been minimal.

The Serbs were a majority in the Yugoslav partisan movement.

 

[bsruzm]

Serbs are proud and brave people. They fought fiercely with Hitler and did not stop the armed resistance, in contrast to Western countries, bowed to Hitler almost without a fight.
Despite centuries of occupation, they have kept the faith of their fathers.

Go learn some history,and not Russian romanticism though it isn't as emotional as that:

"The Malković was a warrior family of Christian Serb origin, which became Muslim. Malkoç, the eponymous founder, is alleged to have been one of the commanders of Sultan Murad I and Bayezid I, fighting at Kosovo (1389) and at Nicopolis (1396). They served mainly in the Balkan conquest of the empire. The members of the family usually served as beys, sanjak-beys,beylerbeys, pashas and castle commanders. Later on they joined the ranks of the Ottoman Army in various missions, and one of the descendants became a Grand Vizier."

 

[vostok]

Go learn some history,and not Russian propaganda though it isn't as emotional as propaganda:

"The Malković was a warrior family of Christian Serb origin, which became Muslim. Malkoç, the eponymous founder, is alleged to have been one of the commanders of Sultan Murad I and Bayezid I, fighting at Kosovo (1389) and at Nicopolis (1396). They served mainly in the Balkan conquest of the empire. The members of the family usually served as beys, sanjak-beys,beylerbeys, pashas and castle commanders. Later on they joined the ranks of the Ottoman Army in various missions, and one of the descendants became a Grand Vizier."

There are traitors in every nation.

 

[Penguin]

The Soviet Union was making great efforts to create an alliance with Britain and France against Nazism. All of these efforts have been rejected in the years 1938-1939.
80% of German soldiers were killed in the war against the Soviet Union.

Nobody here denies or has denied the role of the Soviet Union in defeating Germany during WW2. Hence, I don't see why there is a need to make a gratuitous and insulting remark about Western European nations, many of whom paid the highest price in WW2.

The Netherlands is one of those nations. Relatives of mine suffered, just many a Soviet citizen suffered. I take personnal offence in your ill-considered remark. If you see fit to do so, then do not be surprised to get slapped with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

It is the new Russian revisionist historiography that attempts to describe the pact as a necessary measure. But do not forget that the existence of the secret protocol was denied by Soviet leadership until 1989, when it was acknowledged and denounced. In August 2009, in an article written for the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin himself condemned the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact as "immoral." As for the relation with Britain and France, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Post-war_commentary_regarding_the_motives_of_Stalin_and_Hitler

Anyway, it is not any personal merit of yours that 80% of German soldiers were killed in the war against the Soviet Union (which, incidentally, is not the same as 'by the Soviet Union'.)

Partisans Army of Yugoslavia were up to 250,000 people. In 1943 13 (!) Divisions of the Reich fought against it!
At the same time, the countries of Western Europe worked humbly for the benefit of the Reich, producing tanks, planes, trucks, ammunition, artillery, and so on.
Military resistance as such did not exist in Western countries.
Greece - was not a western country in those days. And there really was a significant guerrilla movement.

As I indicated, when you live in an essentially flat country measuring 175km x 300km, without any remote large swamps, forests, or mountains, partisan-like open armed resistance is not viable but rather suicidal. However, there were other ways to resist nazi occupation, these were taken up, and it is insulting to the memories of the people that died in such efforts to suggest what you did about Western European people. As if all of the Eastern European or Southern European were all active armed resistors. Or as if only the Soviet Union contributed to Nazi-Germany's defeat (mmm, and what about Japan?). Or as if the many many millions of Russians that died, died because they chose of their own free will to fight the Germans (i.e. had those kind of losses of human live possibly also something to do with e.g. the machinegun equipped NKVD behind the troops, or the slave labor of Gulags).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_the_Axis_Powers_during_World_War_II

Russians (Osttruppen) were stationed with the occupying forces in the Netherlands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostlegionen

Americans, Brits, Belgians, Canadians, Czechs and Poles played important roles in liberating The Netherlands from the occupier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Day_(Netherlands)

 

[vostok]

Nobody here denies or has denied the role of the Soviet Union in defeating Germany during WW2. Hence, I don't see why there is a need to make a gratuitous and insulting remark about Western European nations, many of whom paid the highest price in WW2.

The Netherlands is one of those nations. Relatives of mine suffered, just many a Soviet citizen suffered. I take personnal offence in your ill-considered remark. If you see fit to do so, then do not be surprised to get slapped with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

It is the new Russian revisionist historiography that attempts to describe the pact as a necessary measure. But do not forget that the existence of the secret protocol was denied by Soviet leadership until 1989, when it was acknowledged and denounced. In August 2009, in an article written for the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin himself condemned the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact as "immoral." As for the relation with Britain and France, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact#Post-war_commentary_regarding_the_motives_of_Stalin_and_Hitler

Anyway, it is not any personal merit of yours that 80% of German soldiers were killed in the war against the Soviet Union (which, incidentally, is not the same as 'by the Soviet Union'.)

USSR signed a pact of non-agression with Germany much later than Poland, Romania, England, France. We did it only after France and Britain rejected an alliance against Hitler with us.
Western Europeans work for the Reich at the same time when Russians fought in the war of survival. If you want, I can bring a lot of numbers about the production of military equipment in Western countries. In little Belgium alone, the Germans captured 350,000 trucks - almost as much (400000) as the Allies gave to the USSR during 4 years of the war (and this is the biggest contribution of the Lend-Lease).
Older brothers of both my grandfathers were killed in the war. The elder sister of my grandfather was hijacked to work in Germany as osterbayter.
I feell a personal insult when countries surrendered to Reich almost without a fight try to pretend they fought against Hitler. You have nothing common with Victory. England and the United States are related to it. And Serbs too. But you are not.

 

[bsruzm]

There are traitors in every nation.

This is romanticism, not history.

"President Pál Schmitt stated that he considered being under Ottoman rule for 200 years as an opportunity. He added that had his country remained under the rule of another nation, his country would have been forced to convert to another religion and speak another language and thus would ultimately be assimilated.

According to Hungarian author Kald Nagy; Hungarian documents show that Ottoman Empire collected tax 7 million akçe and invested 21 million akçe in Hungary."

As what former president said, had Balkans and Central Europe remained under the rule of another nation, they would simply have been forced to convert to another religion and speak another language and thus would ultimately be assimilated.

Those are countries and how long they remained under Ottoman rule, order:

Bulgaria: 545 years
Greece: 400 years
Serbia: 539 years
Montenegro: 539 years
Bosnia: 539 years
Crotia: 539 years
Macedonia: 539 years
Slovenia: 250 years
Romania: 490 years
Hungary: 200 years
Moldova: 490 years
Ukraine: 308 years
Georgia: 400 years
Kosovo: 539 years

We have seen what Schmitt means in the discoveries of Christianity around the world. Expectedly, world's most democratic, free, developed country USA has around 200 years of history but only in the last 30 years race relations improved. I didn't mention the natives, so you guess and people of this country, around 60-70 percent in favor of Trump today. Calling people names and a traitor for their free will is a sign of undevelopment.