“Udhar tum, idhar hum”: When Bhutto pushed Bangladesh to the edge of Pakistan

[American Pakistani]

No, western Pakistan was an economic burden to eastern Pakistan. Read the article thoroughly and try to understand it and do not keep on talking on false premises. Your kind of people will only be biting your fingers with the loss of eastern wing but it was caused by your own leaders.

Bhutto was too busy to promote himself up. He destroyed Ayub Khan's rule by a continuous street agitation although this greedy was the FM in his time. He was not willing to accept any other post in 1971 except the Prime Ministership of Pakistan even it meant to divide Pakistan into five. He was much worse than today's Hasina of Bangladesh.

That is just your dream and imaginations. We excelled in several fields only after bangladesh was gone. That papart never belongs to us at first place. As for biting our nails, I'm sorry...no offense but if you call a Pakistani "hey are you a bengali..."he would think as if you have cursed him. Try it yourself.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is just your dream and imaginations. We excelled in several fields only after bangladesh was gone. That papart never belongs to us at first place. As for biting our nails, I'm sorry...no offense but if you call a Pakistani "hey are you a bengali..."he would think as if you have cursed him. Try it yourself.

Are those the same Pakistanis who think that you have cursed them if you call them [... some other south Asian nationality]?

 

[American Pakistani]

1. Islamabad was founded in 1960.

Economist just released a report saying that BD will average 7% GDP per capita growth for the next 5 years.
Pakistan is predicted to be 2% at most.

Islamabad could be founded in 7th century for all we care. What matters is when was it developed and that was after 71 when the burden was gone.

Analysts says bangladesh will always remain under the thumb of India. It is just an Indian authorized satellite republic. I feel ashamed even to compare Vietnam, let alone Pakistan.

See how I used your bangli game on you?

Are those the same Pakistanis who think that you have cursed them if you call them [... some other south Asian nationality]?

Why so curious?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Islamabad could be founded in 7th century for all we care. What matters is when was it developed and that was after 71 when the burden was gone.

Analysts says bangladesh will always remain under the thumb of India. It is just an Indian authorized satellite republic. I feel ashamed even to compare Vietnam, let alone Pakistan.

See how I used your bangli game on you?



Why so curious?

Because the original seemed to be a generic case.

 

[American Pakistani]

Because the original seemed to be a generic case.

I said what I said, now you can spend your time finding out the meaning.

 

[KAMDEV]

No one can win a debate over a woman and over an uncultured and unlearned stupid like you. Keep on blabbering on your self-made history, Ullu Ka Pattha!!

that's better .

 

[Jackdaws]

No, whilst Hindus made up a significant proportion of East Pakistan at the time, they were still the minority.



The final straw was that Bengalis started committing mass atrocities against Urdu speakers, and as a result the Pakistani military rolled in. That doesn't justify the following atrocities (particularly the Hindu Holocaust, that was just dreadful) that took place, but to say that Pakistan started it is just a flat out lie.

Nah. That's not what I meant. Let it go though.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I said what I said, now you can spend your time finding out the meaning.

The meaning was found a long time ago. What remained was to plumb the depths of that which created it.

 

[MastanKhan]

you are being soft on military. Although the late Indian General who led the invasion supports your point of view as well.

Politicians did what the Noonies today describe as "beauty of Democracy"

had Pak army dug its heals and blown up the bridges it would have stopped Indian advances instead of dashing to Dakha and and calling in general retreat and surrender.
. the rivers there are the size of a sea that cant be covered bridged through conventional military bridges. they would have delayed the fall to a point where UN would have intervened. (comments quoted from junior military officers who was serving during that time)

yes the cause was lost and politicians on both sides had lost sight of the united Pakistan ideology but military was the last line it has to take all the bitching and cynicism from PPP and Noon League

Hi,

But for what purpose---what good would it have served---. Nothing---.

The only problem here was that the military got fooled by the politicians and fell into the trap---.

 

[Kompromat]

One unit was a Bangali idea, not ours.

You wanted to keep the East united so you can always win elections.

You wanted to keep the East divided so our votebank is divided into 6 sections, thus ensuring Bengali electoral victory everytime.

You sabotaged every single constitutional framework, in 1948, 1952, 1962.

You agreed to the national working language formula but then back tracked. How can you develop a nation without a language bridge? - you can't. It was necessary not ideal.

You collaborated with the enemy and refused to open a front in the east, during the 1965 War. We could've slayed the monster together - but you had other plans. If that's not treason, what is ?

You started a civil war against your own country, for your language which was dually recognised, promoted and by no means being suppressed. Now most of you speak or understand Hindi. But that's not a problem now is it?

Everyone knows who sucked whose blood.

No, it was due to west Pakistani elite's inability to digest the reality of Bengali being the majority in Pakistan which hold back formulation of a constitution. That was the reason they came up with the idea of 'parity', 'one unit' etc.

But that 'powerful'ness came at a very high cost if you are referring to atom bomb and big, bloated military. With pakistani type of attitude towards acquiring military power at any cost, any mid size country can become an atomic power. Even north Korea is an atomic power, despite only 20 billion dollar GDP. Your current economic trouble has many things to do with your such militaristic posture. So nothing to be proud of.

And for 'more prosperous' part. This is eroding. India already surpassed Pakistan in prosperity, now Bangladesh also poised to surpass. You reaped the benefit of 1950s-1980s growth period in Pakistan when Bangladesh was broke from colonial exploitation of west Pakistan and war. And Pakistan marched ahead with exploiting the internal colony of East Pakistan and American aid dollar. So Pakistan got an early head start compare to Bangladesh and India. But the steam is running out. If history is any guide, then Bangladesh will regain the status of being the most prosperous part of South Asia, which it was always up to British colonial period.

 

[VikingRaider]

Bhutto prevented Mir Jaafar ki aulaad mujib-ul-rehman from handing over W. Pakistan to India

You mean East Pakistan right?

 

[VikingRaider]

no, if there was no Bhutto and mujib-ul-rehaman had come to power, both parts would be part of India today

I have no idea what you are talking about ! How mujib can do that since he had no vote in West Pakistan! He was East Pakistani leader.

And if he would come to power and tried to hand over West Pakistan to India, surely Pakistani army would not sit to see that ! So this argument cancelled automatically!
And also from 1947 to 1971 most of Pakistani PMs were from East Pakistan . But still Pakistan didn't come under Indian rule!

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

bangladesh has better economy free from terrorism , not begging for bail outs .

Bangladesh's GDP was almost twice as large as Pakistan's right after the civil war; we have grown significantly faster than them since 1971 and have only slowed down recently due to the War on Terror.

 

[Baby Leone]

Bhutto claimed that Rahman’s demands for maximum autonomy, called the Six Points, would weaken the country. When president Yahya called Rahman the future prime minister of the country, Bhutto was incensed. He questioned how a man who was considered to be a traitor recently was now being touted as the prime minister.

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/...n-bhutto-divided-pakistan-into-east-and-west/

I dont know why we miss this important part of Mujib as he was not the person as leader to rule whole state of Pakistan and not a trusted leader hence any patriotic leader would oppose it.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I dont know why we miss this important part of Mujib as he was not the person as leader to rule whole state of Pakistan and not a trusted leader hence any patriotic leader would oppose it.

Mujib was killed along with his entire family, including the babies in the wombs, by the BD folks for his failed policies, treachery with them for his loyalty to India, wide spread corruption leading to the death of 1m folks is a famine, one party one leader under India Soviet-style family rule via goons, rampantly killing folks against him without any trials etc. On the top of it he was trying to disband the army!!! No wonder not a single BD Muslim protested his death or felt sorry for it...

Now, some folks are arguing that Mujib would have been fine for Pak...