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It will be a huge spiritual motivation for all Pakistani members here if this deal go through. 50 nearly brand new fighters ready for battle! Congratulation!

Hi,

What is not impressed upon some of the pakistani members is---that a huge number of 50 maybe inducted very fast---what significance it would have over your power projection,

Paf has a huge big hole to fill with capable frontline aircraft---and JF17 alone cannot do it---in a timely manner.

If this deal goes thru---then it means that there are certain French options that maybe considered elsewhere---and that means good new for pak military.

IF JF-17 is able to carry all those ammunitions as J-10, then why to induct J-10 when JF-17 is able to release all ammo.

Hi,

F16 can use all the ammo that the F15 can----so why have the F15 at all.
 
They are used and abused platforms which offer us nothing which we don't have already.
UAE bought the 2000-9s in early 2000s, plus, it is UAE, I would hardly call a plane used by Arab air forces as used and abused(no offence). Plus, immediate addition of 50+ jet fighters would allow us to retire our very own "flying coffins" the mirage IIIs and Vs at once. current rate of production of JF-17 is 16 per year, i.e 3 years to replace 48 jets. Same may be the case with J-10C. Whereas this aircraft is somewhat in the same class as F-16. and instantly available.
 
Hi,

F16 can use all the ammo that the F15 can----so why have the F15 at all.
Hi sir,

F-15 is a twin engine and air-superiority jet for long range.
but whereas there is not too much difference between JF-17 and J-10...

if M2k come it will come with french missiles and EW and radars.

there will be lots of variety of missiles at PAF store.
 
IF JF-17 is able to carry all those ammunitions as J-10, then why to induct J-10 when JF-17 is able to release all ammo.

More Range More payload and we want to replace our Mirages JF-17 is there to replace F-7P
 
Hi sir,

F-15 is a twin engine and air-superiority jet for long range.
but whereas there is not too much difference between JF-17 and J-10...

Hi,

But the JF17 is a light weight category aircraft.

The difference between the F16 to the F15 is very similar to the difference between the JF17 and the J10.

If Paf could re-do the JF17---they would build it very similar in size to the Japanese F2---a perfect sized aircraft for Paf for the size of enemy it is facing---.
 
What I would like to know is, if the UAE is selling us M29's, what will it replace them with in it's fleet?

It simply cannot remove 68 aircraft from its inventory and leave a gaping hole in its capability without, replacing it with some other front line aircrafts.
 
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Payloads also mentioned. More and more Mirage 3 are being assigned to strategic role I think. If it is supposed to be a Mirage 3 replacement, then it can't be a J-10 because of that (a possible reason). Of course with a future, smaller strategic ALCM all bets are off and I'm just a crazy person with MS Paint.
 
@Taygibay Your comments?

Well, let's start with correct comments from others first :
I believe they are also compatible with MICA missiles which also makes them potent interceptor/ fighters.
No doubt the idea is to replace Deltas with Delta, since they are Mk2-9 category, they wouldn't require much in the way of upgrades with reportedly very low flight hours logged.
if UAE M2k are coming than we should expect that Qatari as well as French M2k will also came. So there is no need to try hard..

Those two coupled seem to point to a Mirage III/5 redux.
For the record, that worked well with Rose updates and
Pakistan is forever the historic last user of these types?
So why not a second time around?

If it is the case then let's hear the French/Dassault word as well that we cannot pursue such large buy of another Mirage Type without after sale support/service. By looking at track record, India must have a condition for France in Rafale Contract, mentioned to stop such further sales to Pakistan or who knows.

Ah! that is the main contention point, now, isn't it? India
would have "paid" for insurances that no such deal was
to happen within the Rafale deal and so on, right?
Well, let's suppose they did ...

In such cases, the politics favour the bold. I remember
things like Israeli vedettes mysteriously leaving their
French port and their maintenance documents fleeing to
Switzerland and later settling in the Levant.

One could imagine easily that an UAE deal for Rafales
would include a few too many MICAs or an associated
contract for parts for the Dash-9s only for these to be
transferred to Pakistan despite assurances to the contrary ...

Of course, France will play the innocent virgin/victim but
let's be realists and understand that arms sales are still
sales for all their complexity and that money talks loud?

So France signs a legit series of contracts with "trust-in-cheek"
conditions but once the Rafales have landed in Abu Dhabi,
the UAE change their minds about those and 2000-9s with
their full kits change adresses 2000 kliks to the East.

Of course, that will bring a nominal cold front over our relation
but I somehow think it will warm in time for the next contract?

8-)
I will say that for once, I disagree with Horus and a couple other;
those dashnines are better planes era for era & year for year than
the IIIs and 5s when Pakistan acquired them.
They compare favourably with the I/TI being transformed in Bharat.*
Of course, they'll suffer size and capacity comparison with Rafales H
but for now, there is to be less of the latter so . . .

Plus it brings about a simple question : Is Pakistan going to attack India?
Because if the answer is no, that batch with Rose type works will be
more than enough to gap to the next generation as ad peeps call it.
They'd replace the Mirages that are beginning to be really old with an
overall level on par or better than the F-16s just in case and while JF-17
finishes production and thus secure most needs for PAF until a brand
new aircraft of tomorrow can come in in numbers, whichever that will be.

I see no reason why it couldn't be done nor have any objections.

Have a great day all, Tay.




* About which :

Technologically ambitious and based on the integration of the latest generation equipment and systems, the first phase of the programme was completed on schedule in France.
The maiden flight of its first upgraded Mirage 2000 was completed successfully by Dassault Aviation on the 5th October 2013, following a two year development phase dedicated to the equipment kit provided by Thales including the radar, the electronic warfare suite and the mission computer.

But the original of that development is still the UAE's 2000-9.
 
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Payloads also mentioned. More and more Mirage 3 are being assigned to strategic role I think. If it is supposed to be a Mirage 3 replacement, then it can't be a J-10 because of that (a possible reason). Of course with a future, smaller strategic ALCM all bets are off and I'm just a crazy person with MS Paint.
Those are some great Art skills you have got there :p:
 
Hi, I believe the mirage 2000-9 are going to be cheaper for PAF to buy like jordanians so I guess it is good choice to induct, furthermore they are in some manner comparable to jf17 block 2 too, with even some better avionics until block 3 arrives so if induct they can be good addition afterall they are better than mirage 3 v and f7's
 
Unless UAE give big discount offering M2k9. Adding M2K9 with numbers in very cheap price is not a bad idea!

Only if they are coming with Discount price with no other string attached to it ..

Jf-17 is build in Pakistan but the technology is from China.
Paf may not want all Chinese planes.
Do you want our Air force to look like this
JF-17, J-10 and J-31???

What i don't want is that PAF has not stranded in times of war because of Logistics and Spare parts ..
now JF-17 is not fully Chinese , Pakistan has a significant input in JF .
J-10 ? when did PAF get that ?
J-31 ? really ..........

I want Pakistan Air Force to have Aircrafts from East and West, but what i am Trying to learn here, that What these Mirages will bring for PAF that J-10C/D cant ? or JF-17 block 3 Wont ..
 
Main advantage is you will get a well reputed fighter with much more weapons loads and range. Thunder too a good fighter but still in his teenager but MK-2009 a mature F-16 block 52 class fighter.
Range of Thunder is higher than that of Mirage.
 
at one point even if your brother/ally product are not perfect, it's always a good move to give a hand. whatever those mirage are cheap or not, it's still a good product for a PAF with old mirage rdy to get throw to few african countries or in the bin

If they are coming in cheap Price as we get Jordanian Airforce F-16, than i have no Problem .. Of course these Mirages 2000-9 are better than our old Mirage Rose III/V's ..
 
Hi,

But the JF17 is a light weight category aircraft.

The difference between the F16 to the F15 is very similar to the difference between the JF17 and the J10.

If Paf could re-do the JF17---they would build it very similar in size to the Japanese F2---a perfect sized aircraft for Paf for the size of enemy it is facing---.
issue is that PAF predicted it will not be able to even afford thunder in its current size, let alone if it was increased
 
Hi,

You are a good kid---but trust me on this---as you have also admitted---you may not understand what these aircraft bring to the table and what power they project---.

So---for someone completing his masters and coming to the real world pretty soon---it would be a better question to ask---why is this aircraft so important---what makes this aircraft so potent---what is so potent about this aircraft that one of the most advanced air force in the region would induct it---.

And don't be mad at me for suggesting this---. It is easier to retort than to learn.

This is what i am trying to find out that , What new Mirage 2000-9 will bring to Table , except a better payload .. unless it comes with a Good discounted price like Jordan F-16 than why buy an old Aircraft when we can get J-10 which will bring new technology on table like AESA and IRST ..
but there will be some goods attached to this deal if forwarded , like we can later negotiate with French for Support mechanism and also re-start negotiations on Package for JF .
50+ Mirages 2000-9 , replacing Mirage III/V is a welcome thing but again Payment will be the issue and UAE is willing to sell or not ? so far its just a Hot Air Balloon in the Sky ..
 
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