UAE ISRAEL Peace Agreement

[HammerHead081]

Really...I think you need to ras history.

I think in your head 1965 was a defeat as well.
Northern tribes were not Pakistani???
Who were the officers that led the tribes.

Come on man you are a smart guy. I read your post but I am sad about this one

Who initiated 1965 war? We. What was our objective? To capture parts of Kashmir. Did we? No. Neither defeat or victory.

We did win battles in Punjab region, successfully defending our border their. But i am talking about overall war here. I would even say India won this war since they got their objective of defending Kashmir side by attacking our Punjab region.

 

[aziqbal]

when will pakistan wake up and follow own interests ? did UAE asked pakistan before recognizing Israel ? keep blindly folowing arabs you pakistanis will loss no one else.

When cowards can’t fight they normally go and sit with the bully

But there’s always that one guy who will wait for his turn to come and he takes not only the bully down but his mates also

 

[Xone]

A harsh reality of life, no one helps others without motive, be strong and self-reliant if you want to survive. Hindus and jews will not be your friend as long as you do not become too weak to challenge their authority. If Pakistan wants to play second fiddle to Israel and America, go get join Arabs. and if you want an independent country, get ready to face whosoever comes in your way.

 

[Trango Towers]

Who initiated 1965 war? We. What was our objective? To capture parts of Kashmir. Did we? No. Neither defeat or victory.

We did win battles in Punjab region, successfully defending our border their. But i am talking about overall war here. I would even say India won this war since they got their objective of defending Kashmir side by attacking our Punjab region.

Just as I thought

 

[StormBreaker]

I’ve been googling and trying to get info about UAE society. Are they an advanced society?

Serious question BTW

Don’t google, Ask me.
And also clarify the concept of “Advanced”,
Regards

 

[AZ1]

I think uae and saudi public come on streets this time

 

[Lincoln]

Right wing Israeli's are very racist. Arabs will have to accept lesser status in any peace deal.

That is true. But what other choice are you left with if you lose wars against them, and fail to compete with them militarily and scientifically with time... This is why education is important. Reminds me of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan in our history books. If there was no Muslim Renaissance through education and science, there would've been no Pakistan. Can't defeat opponents if you can't keep militarily and technologically up with them.

 

[The Eagle]

Israel signed peace agreements with Jordan and Egypt. Tell me what part of the peace deal they broke?

They are occupiers in the first place yet these deals doesn't matter at all. They have been lying since day first.

 

[PakSword]

Yes Israel suspended annexation of West Bank in exchange for peace agreements. Good job

i am sure there must be more than the halt in annexation of lands.

There's no way jews can be kicked out from that land without an all out war.. which no Muslim country is ready for.. So there's a need of coexistence... Muslims from all over the world should be allowed to pray in Bait ul Muqaddas, and Christians and Jews can visit the sites dear to them.. Embargoes and encirclement of Palestinians should end. The suffering of palestinians is immense..

We, sitting in a God given country, can't understand the sufferings.. In Pakistani school here, there was a palestinian teacher who taught arabic to Pakistani children. Her husband and daughter had to visit Palestine on a short visit 25 years back (if I correctly remember).. that's when Israel put a ban on travel to and from Palestine..

I met her a couple of years back.. She told me she hasn't seen her husband and daughter for the last 25 years.. imagine her pain when she told me this.. She was literally crying like a child.

It's easier for us to say that we will help Palestinians.. Fact is that US has secured Israel.. and there is a hostage situation in Palestine. Just imagine the suffering of people..

I am taking a neutral position here guys.. don't start abusing me.

 

[StormBreaker]

You will answer your own deeds in the grave and not the Palestinians. Should I say that I have sinned because the so & so person was wrong too? Where is our moral, support and stand for Muslims. or is it because Palestine are Muslims and Quaid was a man of religion fearing ALLAH and decided to stand on the right side of history? Enough. Your words are disrespectful and insulting in view of what I shared above in regard to Jinnah's stand. Now we will start to deny father of the Nation like this and that is exactly the down slide of moral.

Unlike Arabs,

We can’t be pressurized by USA or Israel with the “Oil”, So Israel is not relevant to us, Not at the moment.
What options do the Arabs have ? They are strong but at the same time, They have a pressure due to Oil.

We should Thank Allah for making us an agricultural economy country

 

[Trench Broom]

Right wing Israeli's are very racist. Arabs will have to accept lesser status in any peace deal.

So racist apparently that Arabs are not leaving Israel. Why don't we see Arab refugees leaving Israel and escaping to Europe? where do we see Arabs and Muslims escaping from? oh yeah, from Arab and Muslim countries. Not from Israel.

They seem to like it there

 

[Lincoln]

Why should anyone believe into an occupier like Israel to say the least.

Here, there isn't a choice. Nothing is stopping Israel from annexing the West Bank. They have the concern of fostering enmity with surrounding Arab states which can seriously threaten its future existence.

So, no deal; west bank gets annexed.
if deal is done; maybe west bank does get annexed, but the same hostility before the deal will return, perhaps more since they would be turning their backs on the leaders they signed the agreements with.

It is the better bet as long as the deal is pre-67 borders in its finality, in my opinion.

 

[jamahir]

I think this is what's going to happen down the road anyway: A bi-national state. Palestinians are far too numerous, are far too concentrated geographically, and have a far higher birthrate to be lost like the Native Americans did. So One day--there will be one bi-national state of Israel-Palestine.

But that cannot be a state where there are ghettos and Palestinians are nothing more than slave-labor.

Agreed.

Israel is a classic colonial enterprise and it's sad to see a seasoned left-leaning person like you (Jamahir) doesn't see it that way.

Yes, the Eastern European and Western European Jews arrived in Palestine to colonize but that was long ago. We should settle for compromise, before Israel begins annexing whatever little territory Palestine has.

Why? These are white Europeans colonizing part of Asia in the name of Judaism.

They're not even Hebrews but Zionists forcibly migrated from Europe. Meaning, their European Christian ancestors converted to Judaism.

Hebrews (actual Jews) is race of people and you can't convert into a race.

Please read above reply.

Anyway, why didn't India let Goa remain as a colony of Portugal?

Because that was a time when European colonial powers, ruling from Africa to Asia, were leaving most of their colonies.

Though I fail to understand the connection you made. I am sleepy now so will log off. Will continue discussion tomorrow.

 

[HammerHead081]

Just as I thought

Come on man, in war its all about objectives at start of it. Any battles won in between don't matter in overall context. I just told you what were the main objectives of both sides. Pakistan to get parts of Kashmir, India to defend those parts. Its pretty clear who won even though India faced much more losses... meaningless at the end of the day if we didn't achieve our objective.

 

[litman]

it gives another reason to Arabs not to listen to pak regarding kashmir. they have another ally in the region which is the child of the west.