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U.S. would welcome Japan air patrols in South China Sea
By Tim Kelly and Nobuhiro Kubo

TOKYO Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:46am EST

(Reuters) - The United States would welcome a Japanese extension of air patrols into the South China Sea as a counterweight to a growing fleet of Chinese vessels pushing China's territorial claims in the region, a senior U.S. Navy officer told Reuters.

Regular patrols by Japanese aircraft only reach into the East China Sea, where Japan is at loggerheads with China over disputed islands. Extending surveillance flights into the South China Sea would almost certainly increase tension between the world's second- and third-largest economies.

"I think allies, partners and friends in the region will look to the Japanese more and more as a stabilizing function," Admiral Robert Thomas, commander of the Seventh Fleet and the top U.S. navy officer in Asia, said in an interview.

"In the South China Sea, frankly, the Chinese fishing fleet, the Chinese coastguard and the (navy) overmatch their neighbors," Thomas said.

China's foreign ministry said it had no immediate comment on the interview.

Thomas's comments show Pentagon support for a key element of Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push for a more active military role in the region. That is crucial because U.S and Japanese officials are negotiating new bilateral security guidelines expected to give Japan a bigger role in the alliance, 70 years after the end of World War Two.

"I think that JSDF (Japan Maritime Self Defense Forces) operations in the South China Sea makes sense in the future," Thomas said.

Japan is not party to the dispute in the South China Sea where China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei have competing claims. But the waterway provides 10 per cent of the global fisheries catch and ships crossing it carry $5 trillion a year in cargo, a large portion to and from Japan.

A Japanese Defence Ministry spokesman was not available for comment. Japan has never indicated any intention to patrol the South China Sea.

The ministry routinely declines to comment on any changes to guidelines being discussed with the United States. It calls for peaceful solutions to disputes and for all countries to follow international law and conventions.

"MORE ROBUST AND PROACTIVE"

Abe is pushing for legislation later this year that would allow Japan's military to operate more freely overseas as part of a broader interpretation of the self-defense allowed by its pacifist constitution.

Those changes coincide with the deployment of a new Japanese maritime patrol plane, the P-1, with a range of 8,000 km (5,000 miles). That is double the range of current aircraft and could allow Japan to push surveillance deep into the South China Sea.

"This is a logical outgrowth of Abe's push for a more robust and proactive military. It is also a substantial departure from JSDF's customary operations," said Grant Newsham, a research fellow at the Japan Forum for Strategic Studies and a former U.S. Marine liaison officer to Japan's military.

Newsham said sending surveillance aircraft to the South China Sea would allow Japan to deepen its military ties with countries like the Philippines, one of Abe's goals to counter China's growing naval power.

China has outlined the scope of its claims with reference to a so-called nine-dash line on its maps that takes in about 90 percent of the South China Sea.

"The alleged nine-dash line, which doesn’t comport with international rules and norms, standards, laws, creates a situation down there, which is unnecessary friction," said Thomas.

The Scarborough Shoal near the Philippines is one flashpoint in the South China Sea. The Philippines complains that China has kept its fishermen from waters around the shoal. Thomas said Japan could help the Philippines with equipment and training.

"For the Philippines, the issue is one of capacity. For the Japanese that is a perfect niche for them to help, not just in equipment, but in training and operations," he said.

Philippine Defense Secretary Voltaire Tuvera Gazmin met Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani in Tokyo on Thursday, and they signed a memorandum on cooperation that includes military exchanges, training and defense technology and equipment.

Gazim told Nakatani that "common security concerns provide an opportunity to deepen defense cooperation".

Nakatani said the agreement had "taken defense ties to a new level". He declined to say if China's presence in the South China Sea and East China Sea had been discussed.

Centered around the USS George Washington carrier battle group with its home port in Japan, the U.S. Seventh Fleet includes some 80 vessels, 140 aircraft and 40,000 sailors making it the most powerful naval force in the western Pacific.
 
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Japan says South China Sea security impacts national interests

February 4, 2015 2:47 AM

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Japan's Defence Minister Gen Nakatani speaks during an annual new year military exercise by the Japanese …

TOKYO (Reuters) - Security in the South China Sea, claimed almost wholly by China, impacts Japan's interests and could warrant a rethink of military patrol aircraft deployments, the defense minister said after a U.S. Navy officer said Washington would welcome a Japanese presence in the region.

Regular patrols by Japanese aircraft only reach into the East China Sea, where Japan and China are embroiled in a sovereignty dispute over a group of islands. Extending flights into the South China Sea would almost certainly increase tension between the world's second- and third-largest economies.

"We currently do not patrol there or have a plan to do so, but we are deepening our cooperation with the U.S. and the situation in the South China Sea has an impact on our national security, and we are aware that we will need to consider our response," Defence Minister Gen Nakatani told reporters on Tuesday.

Nakatani's remarks came in response to an interview published by Reuters in which Robert Thomas, commander of the U.S. Seventh Fleet, said Japanese surveillance flights in the South China Sea would help keep tabs on a growing fleet of Chinese vessels overwhelming the surveillance capacity of Southeast Asian nations.

China responded to Thomas's comments by warning Japan not to "create tension".

China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei have competing territorial claims in the South China Sea. China has outlined the scope of its claim with reference to a so-called nine-dash line on its maps that encompasses 90 percent of the waters.

While Japan has no claims in the region, it provides 10 per cent of the global fisheries catch and ships crossing it carry $5 trillion a year in cargo, a large portion to and from Japan.

Thomas's comments show Pentagon support for a key element of Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push for a more active military role Asia, and come as the U.S. and Japan negotiate new bilateral security guidelines expected to give Japan a bigger role in their alliance, 70 years after the end of World War Two.
 
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Japan says South China Sea security impacts national interests

February 4, 2015 2:47 AM

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Japan's Defence Minister Gen Nakatani speaks during an annual new year military exercise by the Japanese …

TOKYO (Reuters) - Security in the South China Sea, claimed almost wholly by China, impacts Japan's interests and could warrant a rethink of military patrol aircraft deployments, the defense minister said after a U.S. Navy officer said Washington would welcome a Japanese presence in the region.

Regular patrols by Japanese aircraft only reach into the East China Sea, where Japan and China are embroiled in a sovereignty dispute over a group of islands. Extending flights into the South China Sea would almost certainly increase tension between the world's second- and third-largest economies.

"We currently do not patrol there or have a plan to do so, but we are deepening our cooperation with the U.S. and the situation in the South China Sea has an impact on our national security, and we are aware that we will need to consider our response," Defence Minister Gen Nakatani told reporters on Tuesday.

Nakatani's remarks came in response to an interview published by Reuters in which Robert Thomas, commander of the U.S. Seventh Fleet, said Japanese surveillance flights in the South China Sea would help keep tabs on a growing fleet of Chinese vessels overwhelming the surveillance capacity of Southeast Asian nations.

China responded to Thomas's comments by warning Japan not to "create tension".

China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei have competing territorial claims in the South China Sea. China has outlined the scope of its claim with reference to a so-called nine-dash line on its maps that encompasses 90 percent of the waters.

While Japan has no claims in the region, it provides 10 per cent of the global fisheries catch and ships crossing it carry $5 trillion a year in cargo, a large portion to and from Japan.

Thomas's comments show Pentagon support for a key element of Japan Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push for a more active military role Asia, and come as the U.S. and Japan negotiate new bilateral security guidelines expected to give Japan a bigger role in their alliance, 70 years after the end of World War Two.


We already signed a defense cooperation agreement this month with both the Indonesians and the Philippines. Its not a matter if "If" , but "when". Anyways, there will be greater naval and air cooperation and coordination with Indonesia, and Philippines.
 
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We already signed a defense cooperation agreement this month with both the Indonesians and the Philippines. Its not a matter if "If" , but "when". Anyways, there will be greater naval and air cooperation and coordination with Indonesia, and Philippines.

How Japanese consider SCS as their own security issue?
 
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Usa want to sacrifice Viet Japan Phil etc all against r nKorea n China bcz other dont hv balls to face them neither they agree by force either it's Nato or there alias against Chinese over SCS or hidden economic issues or its about world growing super power (China)
 
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Before the arbitration,
Philipine:I am the sharpest blade of American.
After the arbitration,
Philipine:...
Uncle Sam:Where is my warrior?
Japan:AM your knight,your majesty.
Uncle Sam::Philipine?I will honor you.
Philipine:Why me again?:(.....
India: Please,please honor me,I am the blade of democracy.
 
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Usa want to sacrifice Viet Japan Phil etc all against r nKorea n China bcz other dont hv balls to face them neither they agree by force either it's Nato or there alias against Chinese over SCS or hidden economic issues or its about world growing super power (China)

This is exactly what is happening. USA knows it cannot compete with China's economy in a fair competition and don't dare to fight China face-to-face, so need proxies to stir up trouble and draw China into conflicts that they hope will derail China's economy and development. China is not stupid and know what is going on. They won't fall for USA's obvious traps and will continue to show Asia, and the rest of the World, that China is the mature and patient World power, and USA is the trouble-maker, that they have been, in recent history.
 
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This is exactly what is happening. USA knows it cannot compete with China's economy in a fair competition and don't dare to fight China face-to-face, so need proxies to stir up trouble and draw China into conflicts that they hope will derail China's economy and development. China is not stupid and know what is going on. They won't fall for USA's obvious traps and will continue to show Asia, and the rest of the World, that China is the mature and patient World power, and USA is the trouble-maker, that they have been, in recent history.

Admiral Wu told the American China is prepared for war :) , we ain't gonna change our stance regardless of the outcome of the ruling. If a third party wants to destabilize the regional peace China is ready for it.
 
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It would be very stupid of Japan to engage in such action. There is not strategic value for Japan.
But together with India, Japan wants to keep China contained.

What is economic benefit to Japan? It populatios is extreme decline.. there is poverty on the rise in the middle class...
Has Japan forgotten its agression against China already?

What is wrong with Asian countries?
 
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Indeed yes ... one thing most important is cpec that will boost the chinese econmy to another level lol
Just imagine same quality productsvof all levels with more cheap price in EU Asian, African and American markets
They are actually scared (competitive economies)
 
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It would be very stupid of Japan to engage in such action. There is not strategic value for Japan.
But together with India, Japan wants to keep China contained.

What is economic benefit to Japan? It populatios is extreme decline.. there is poverty on the rise in the middle class...
Has Japan forgotten its agression against China already?

What is wrong with Asian countries?

China wants Senkaku Islands from Japan. Why do you think they should not have air patrols? Just recently China didn't like that Japan put a radar on Okinawa.
 
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