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Unfortunately blackmail works most of the time for US. US is the largest investor in Philippines and that's a leverage. You can't build rifles as most designs are patented. Majority of these are with Russia, US or EU. China might have Cheaper rifles but the efficiency is slightly less than that of the US or Russia, EU.

That's a bit bull! The largest importer of Chinese small arms is the US of A. Not like India China produces good small arms as well as bullets.
 
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This whole issue is linked to the drug trade and violence.
This is exactly western arrogance, they care more about criminal's human rights than the victims. Failing to realize the ground reality, a few good people get killed in Duterte's campaign, maybe, but the whole country get turned around, millions saved. How many collateral damages of America's freedom and democracy bombs in Vietnam, Iraq and Syria, they really need look themselves in the mirror.
 
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This is exactly western arrogance, they care more about criminal's human rights than the victims. Failing to realize the ground reality, a few good people get killed in Duterte's campaign, maybe, but the whole country get turned around, millions saved. How many collateral damages of America's freedom and democracy bombs in Vietnam, Iraq and Syria, they really need look themselves in the mirror.

One of the favorite things people like to say about the US is that we supported South American countries who implemented death squads to deal with people they deemed "undesirable". The cover story they gave was it was all criminals...and people bought it...until other people started disappearing in droves...
 
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That's a bit bull! The largest importer of Chinese small arms is the US of A. Not like India China produces good small arms as well as bullets.
Manufacturing in India relevant here? :lol: That's not the original thread. (92% of Diamonds available in the world are designed in India and not in China) Neither of those are relevant
This is not a di*k measuring contest. :victory:
 
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Manufacturing in India relevant here? :lol: That's not the original thread. (92% of Diamonds available in the world are designed in India and not in China) Neither of those are relevant
This is not a di*k measuring contest. :victory:

Maybe India shines even on diamond sh't but stop finger pointing China. @#$$%%^&*()_)
 
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This is exactly western arrogance, they care more about criminal's human rights than the victims. Failing to realize the ground reality, a few good people get killed in Duterte's campaign, maybe, but the whole country get turned around, millions saved. How many collateral damages of America's freedom and democracy bombs in Vietnam, Iraq and Syria, they really need look themselves in the mirror.

At this time, Vietnam war, China is best friend of USA, when is bombing B 52 in Hanoi, Hai Phong, ...in 1972.:undecided:
 
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Duterte is not backing down. His historical consciousness is amazing. And looks like PH have caught some illegal Vietnamese fishermen.

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Duterte curses U.S. anew despite vow to stop swearing
Source: Xinhua 2016-11-02

MANILA, Nov. 2 (Xinhua) -- Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on Wednesday spat out curse words at the United States and even called the Americans "monkeys" as he reacted to news reports that the U.S. State Department is halting the planned sale of some 26,000 assault rifles to the Philippine National Police due to human rights concerns.

"Look at these monkeys. They're stopping the sale of 26,000 assault rifles to us. Son of a bit**. There are a lot of airguns. The Americans are fool," Duterte said in a speech during the send-off ceremony of 17 Vietnamese fishermen who were caught poaching in waters in September in Sual town, Pangasinan.

Again, Duterte slammed the U.S. for intervening in the Philippines' affairs, adding it was the Americans who started the verbal war.

"Son of a bitch! I'm fuming mad. They started it first," Duterte added, recalling how the Americans treated Filipinos like "a dog on leash" after "living in the fat" of Filipinos during their 50 years of occupation of the Philippines.

Duterte said that he has lost respect for America. "That's my problem with America. They are rude to us that's why I'm rude to them," he said.

He reiterated that the Philippines is a sovereign country and should not be treated like a colony, adding that the U.S. treats the Philippines like a dog on leash that is thrown food if it follows orders from its master. "In our case, it's in the form of (foreign aids)," he said.

Duterte cited how the U.S. "destroyed" Iraq, "undermined" Libya, and now trying to destroy Syria.

"If somebody here could tell me a good rationale, or rationale if you may, tell me if what the U.S. is doing is right. In the case of Iraq, you destroyed a country, killed the leaders. No weapons of mass destruction found," he said.

It was the first time that Duterte laced his speech with expletives again after vowing that he would stop swearing after he said God had told him to stop cursing while on a plane from a visit in Japan.

@Zero_wing , @kecho
 
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http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/11/03/1640008/we-still-have-air-guns-fists
‘We still have air guns, fists’
By Alexis Romero and Jaime Laude (The Philippine Star) | Updated November 3, 2016 - 12:00am
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President Duterte yesterday shrugged off threats that the United States would stop the sale of assault rifles to the Philippine National Police (PNP), saying there are other sources in the market. PPD/King Rodriguez, file
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MANILA, Philippines – If they won’t sell assault rifles to the Philippines, the nation can still fight criminals with air guns and fists.

President Duterte yesterday shrugged off threats that the United States would stop the sale of assault rifles to the Philippine National Police (PNP), saying there are other sources in the market.

Duterte, who has displayed animosity toward the US because of its criticisms of his brutal war on drugs, dismissed Washington’s reported refusal to sell rifles as a mere scare tactic.

“Is that it? What? They are not selling us arms? That’s their only way to scare me? That they won’t sell firearms? We have several air guns here,” Duterte remarked.

PNP chief Director General Ronald dela Rosa also downplayed the US embargo on selling firearms to the Philippine police.

Dela Rosa said the PNP would continue its war against illegal drugs and criminality even if it meant coming to blows with drug lords after police have fired their last bullet.

“It will not affect our anti-drug campaign. Your policemen, without guns and bullets, will be engaging drug lords in fistfights or in hand-to-hand combat in order to finish our war against illegal drugs,” he said.

Dela Rosa though admitted the US embargo will have an impact on the government’s counterterrorism campaign, as the PNP intends to equip all its elite police units with the more sophisticated M4 assault rifles.

On the part of the military, the US embargo on the PNP will not affect the country’s external defense, according to Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) public affairs chief Col. Edgard Arevalo.

“Our procurement weapons and equipment are being done through Foreign Military Sales (FMS),” Arevalo said.

He explained the FMS is covered by the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) and as long as the defense treaty is in effect, the AFP can procure weapons from the US.

“The FMS is tied with the MDT which is in effect up to now,” Arevalo said.

Duterte said he will consider continuing acquiring weapons and defense equipment from the US if the military recommends it, despite the offers from China and Russia.

Duterte said he has asked Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and military officials to travel to China and Russia to check what they have to offer, but added that the military’s recommendation will be crucial.

He said, “If you want to stick with America, fine,” but added that he told the AFP to consider Washington’s critical stance against him.

The US State Department halted the planned sale of some 26,000 M4 assault rifles to the PNP after a US lawmaker, Sen. Ben Cardin, expressed concern over human rights violations in the Philippines.

The Duterte administration has been accused of committing human rights violations in its campaign against drugs, which has so far left more than 3,000 drug offenders dead.

The US, the Philippines’ longtime ally and treaty partner, has expressed concern over the killings, a move that Duterte viewed as interference in domestic affairs.

Last month, Duterte declared that he was “separating” from the US in terms of the economy and security, but later clarified there was no severance of diplomatic ties with the superpower.

Officials said Duterte was merely emphasizing the need for the Philippines to pursue a foreign policy more independent from the US.

Duterte said he sees no problem with the issue since the country can always buy its weapons anywhere, not just from the US.

Besides, the Philippines could always turn to other nations such as Russia and China for such needs in assault rifles and other weapons, even missiles.

“Remember what the Russian diplomat said? Come to Russia. We have anything you need,” Duterte told reporters late Tuesday.

Duterte mentioned his meeting with Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev during the ASEAN Leaders Summit in Laos last September.

Duterte said Medvedev indicated that Russia was ready to help. He said he is planning to visit Russia upon the invitation of Medvedev.

He added China is also offering to sell weapons and materiel to the Philippines. “Even China is open… anything you want. They even sent us a brochure,” he said.

Unfair
Lawmakers said the planned US embargo on weapons sales to the Philippines would be an opportunity for the country to look for better sources.

“It is a wake-up call for us to stop totally relying on foreign suppliers. This is another kind of pivot we need. To tap our domestic industries for the equipment needs of our policemen and soldiers,” Sen. Ralph Recto said.

Sen. Miguel Zubiri added there are plenty of other suppliers such as Israel and Russia, which have both been manufacturing and exporting reliable weapons.

Zubiri said it was unfair for the US to blame the Philippine government for extrajudicial killings in the absence of any proof.

Sen. Panfilo Lacson said the planned embargo “was not a scare tactic but a bully attitude towards a longtime ally.”

He said the move was “not fair” as the Philippines is an equally sovereign state.

“Prudence dictates that the US State Department should first show a conclusive investigation that affirms what Sen. Benjamin Cardin has alleged before issuing a statement banning the sale of assault rifles to our uniformed services,” Lacson said.

Lacson said the government should jumpstart the PNP’s Capability Enhancement Program (CEP) and start shopping in other territories for their armament requirements.

“There are other sources like Israel, Belgium, even Russia and China,” Lacson said.

Sen. Joseph Victor Ejercito lamented that after decades being trumpeted by the US as its most trusted ally in the region, the Philippines has one of the weakest armed forces.

Just because President Duterte announced an independent foreign policy, the US stopped its arms sales to the Philippines.

“That is not how to treat a very loyal ally,” Ejercito said.

Sen. Sherwin Gatchalian believes the US State Department has exceeded its mandate by halting the arms sale based on pure speculation.

He said the US State Department should have waited first for the results of the probe by international bodies on extrajudicial killings in the country.

Gatchalian also prodded the PNP to speed up its probe into cases of extrajudicial killings.

National Capital Region Police Office (NCRPO) director Chief Supt. Oscar Albayalde said the PNP could purchase its firearms in the local market.

He said the PNP can even boost the economy by purchasing firearms from local gun manufacturers.

The Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) denounced the US for being hypocritical in invoking concern over human rights violations in stopping the sale of firearms to the PNP.

“The cancellation of the weapons sale to the PNP is a clear rebuke by the US government against the Duterte regime which has increasingly asserted its independence from US dictates and has stood firmly against continuing US military presence in the country,” the CPP said.

But “it is a good thing” that the US cancelled its arms sale to the PNP, it said.

The cancellation of the US of its sale of assault rifles to the PNP “is a great opportunity for the PNP to rethink and repudiate the militarization of police work, something which the US police forces have done and which is now being thrust on the local police forces,” the CPP said. – With Edith Regalado, Marvin Sy, Paolo Romero, Artemio Dumlao, Robertzon Ramirez, AP
 
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https://reportca.net/2016/11/these-...ounds-off-on-us-monkeys-for-halting-gun-sale/
‘These American fools’ Rodrigo Duterte sounds off on US ‘monkeys’ for halting gun sale
ByGlobalnews.ca-
November 3, 2016

MANILA – Philippine PresidentRodrigoDutertechided the United States on Wednesday for halting the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to his country, calling those behind the decision “fools” and “monkeys” and indicating he might turn to Russia and China instead.

Duterte‘s tirades against the former colonial power are routine during his speeches and he said on Wednesday he once believed in Washington, but had since lost respect for the Philippines’ biggest ally.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said he regardedDuterte‘s latest salvo as “inexplicably at odds with the close relationship that we continue to have with not just the Filipino people, but the Filipino government.”

The State Department halted the sale of the assault rifles to the Philippine police after staff from U.S. Senator Ben Cardin’s office said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concern about human rights violations in the Philippines duringDuterte‘s bloody, four-month-old war on drugs.

“Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don’t want to sell,”Dutertesaid during a televised speech.

“SON OF A BITCH, WE HAVE MANY HOMEMADE GUNS HERE. THESE AMERICAN FOOLS.”

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes as part ofDuterte‘s anti-narcotics effort, which was the linchpin of his election campaign.

Dutertehas vented his anger at the United States for raising concerns about the extrajudicial killings.

“THAT’S WHY I WAS RUDE AT THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE RUDE AT ME,” HE SAID.

According to procedures in Washington, the State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said the State Department had been informed Cardin would oppose the deal during the prenotification process, thus effectively halting the sale.

“Committee staff told State that Cardin would block it if it was sent forward. They haven’t sent it. Does that mean it has been stopped? I guess that depends on your definition. It would be highly unusual for State to move it forward with explicit opposition,” a Senate aide said on Wednesday.

COMMITTED TO PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said he was barred from commenting on the status of the sale, while stressing the U.S. commitment to the U.S.-Philippines alliance.

Asked how the United States could have a close relationship with the Phiippines’ government without also having such ties with its president, Kirby said in a democracy, the government “doesn’t rest on the shoulders of just one individual.”

Kirby denied Washington had any plan to circumventDutertebut rather to stress that it has long and robust relationships with other parts of the government.

“Those are solid, they remain. But obviously, you also need to develop a good working relationship with the head of state,” Kirby said. “We’re committed to doing that.”

Speaking with troops at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the long-standing military alliance had benefited both nations.

Philippines prepares to implement tough no-smoking law

If it does not go ahead, dela Rosa said, “We have many options and it’s their loss, not ours, if the report is true.”

Dutertereiterated that Russia and China had shown willingness to sell arms to the Philippines, but he would wait to see if his military wanted to continue using U.S. weapons.

“RUSSIA, THEY ARE INVITING US. CHINA ALSO. CHINA IS OPEN, ANYTHING YOU WANT, THEY SENT ME BROCHURE SAYING WE SELECT THERE, WE’LL GIVE YOU.

“But I am holding off because I was asking the military if they have any problem. Because if you have, if you want to stick to America, fine.

“But, look closely and balance the situation, they are rude to us.”
 
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I guess Mr. Rodrigo Duterte will come out to be the biggest fool after all these, he is knowingly or foolishly restricting his country into a certain specific bloc while he have the opportunity to benefit from all especially U.S.A, Russia, China all together. :)
 
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https://reportca.net/2016/11/these-...ounds-off-on-us-monkeys-for-halting-gun-sale/
‘These American fools’ Rodrigo Duterte sounds off on US ‘monkeys’ for halting gun sale
ByGlobalnews.ca-
November 3, 2016

MANILA – Philippine PresidentRodrigoDutertechided the United States on Wednesday for halting the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to his country, calling those behind the decision “fools” and “monkeys” and indicating he might turn to Russia and China instead.

Duterte‘s tirades against the former colonial power are routine during his speeches and he said on Wednesday he once believed in Washington, but had since lost respect for the Philippines’ biggest ally.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said he regardedDuterte‘s latest salvo as “inexplicably at odds with the close relationship that we continue to have with not just the Filipino people, but the Filipino government.”

The State Department halted the sale of the assault rifles to the Philippine police after staff from U.S. Senator Ben Cardin’s office said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concern about human rights violations in the Philippines duringDuterte‘s bloody, four-month-old war on drugs.

“Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don’t want to sell,”Dutertesaid during a televised speech.

“SON OF A BITCH, WE HAVE MANY HOMEMADE GUNS HERE. THESE AMERICAN FOOLS.”

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes as part ofDuterte‘s anti-narcotics effort, which was the linchpin of his election campaign.

Dutertehas vented his anger at the United States for raising concerns about the extrajudicial killings.

“THAT’S WHY I WAS RUDE AT THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE RUDE AT ME,” HE SAID.

According to procedures in Washington, the State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said the State Department had been informed Cardin would oppose the deal during the prenotification process, thus effectively halting the sale.

“Committee staff told State that Cardin would block it if it was sent forward. They haven’t sent it. Does that mean it has been stopped? I guess that depends on your definition. It would be highly unusual for State to move it forward with explicit opposition,” a Senate aide said on Wednesday.

COMMITTED TO PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said he was barred from commenting on the status of the sale, while stressing the U.S. commitment to the U.S.-Philippines alliance.

Asked how the United States could have a close relationship with the Phiippines’ government without also having such ties with its president, Kirby said in a democracy, the government “doesn’t rest on the shoulders of just one individual.”

Kirby denied Washington had any plan to circumventDutertebut rather to stress that it has long and robust relationships with other parts of the government.

“Those are solid, they remain. But obviously, you also need to develop a good working relationship with the head of state,” Kirby said. “We’re committed to doing that.”

Speaking with troops at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the long-standing military alliance had benefited both nations.

Philippines prepares to implement tough no-smoking law

If it does not go ahead, dela Rosa said, “We have many options and it’s their loss, not ours, if the report is true.”

Dutertereiterated that Russia and China had shown willingness to sell arms to the Philippines, but he would wait to see if his military wanted to continue using U.S. weapons.

“RUSSIA, THEY ARE INVITING US. CHINA ALSO. CHINA IS OPEN, ANYTHING YOU WANT, THEY SENT ME BROCHURE SAYING WE SELECT THERE, WE’LL GIVE YOU.

“But I am holding off because I was asking the military if they have any problem. Because if you have, if you want to stick to America, fine.

“But, look closely and balance the situation, they are rude to us.”
It's not 50 years ago, he has options
 
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