U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

[SMC]

I did not compare their interests. I have tried to assert this time and again :- If A is wrong, this does not mean B is right.

A and B does not come in here. It's a much more complex thing than reducing the problem to A and B. If it's in Pakistan's interests to support Taliban, it will do it. If it was in some other states interests to support Taliban, it will do that as well.

We supported the Taliban in Afghanistan and have suffered because of our myopic policies and hegemonic ambitions. It's time we stop looking at greener pastures abroad and focus on our domestic problems more unequivocally.

Look, India utilized 9/11 to get into Afghanistan and support TTP in terms of funding, resources, training, and planning. Supporting the Taliban for us was important because we would get attacked by USSR if we did not. So that's out of question. I agree that we need to look at our domestic problems more carefully, but that doesn't change any of this.

US and India supporting Taliban is bonkers and out of the realm of possibility in today's world. Even if they do in an alternate universe, it is their concern and we should seek to nullify any negative consequences of such support but not seek to support them ourselves, ideologically or any other means.

Again, if it's in their interests to do it they will do it. 40 years down the road if things change and they need to support Taliban (assuming Taliban exist then), they will do it. To nullify any consequences of those actions would be nothing different than attacking Taliban militarily or through other groups. The former might not be a good idea as it might turn into a full-fledged war/conflict.

 

[ajpirzada]

taliban are not one. there are afghan talibans and pakistani talibans. they both help each other on occasional basis but their ideology and political goals are very different. now looking at afghan talibans, again there are three sub taliban groups. mullah omar taliban, haqqani taliban and hikmatyar taliban. their goal is to kick invading forces out of afghanistan so that they could rule their respective areas under the dummy leadership of mullah omar.

now speaking about who is gud and who is bad well they are all gud and all bad for different countries.
pakistani talibans are gud for india.
afghan talibans are gud for pakistan.
anyone who is ready to not fight with US is gud for them.
and anyone who ready to fight with US is gud for Iran at least in short run.

Just bracketing all these groups together and treating them as same group will never solve the problem.

 

[SMC]

taliban are not one. there are afghan talibans and pakistani talibans. they both help each other on occasional basis but their ideology and political goals are very different. now looking at afghan talibans, again there are three sub taliban groups. mullah omar taliban, haqqani taliban and hikmatyar taliban. their goal is to kick invading forces out of afghanistan so that they could rule their respective areas under the dummy leadership of mullah omar.

now speaking about who is gud and who is bad well they are all gud and all bad for different countries.
pakistani talibans are gud for india.
afghan talibans are gud for pakistan.
anyone who is ready to not fight with US is gud for them.
and anyone who ready to fight with US is gud for Iran at least in short run.

Just bracketing all these groups together and treating them as same group will never solve the problem.

That's exactly what I am saying. Afghan and Pakistan Taliban have different interests and thus they cannot be put into the same category. Even the two main groups (TTP and Afghan Taliban) are not as connected to each other as some would like us to believe.

 

[jagjitnatt]

If it's in Pakistan's interests to support Taliban, it will do it.

There are a lot of things that are in your or our interests, but that doesn't mean we have to go that route. There are a lot of other things that need to be taken into account. Taliban may be advantageous to you but what about the millions of Afghans that are deprived of basic necessities by the same Taliban?

It is in US's interest to curb the development of the rest of the world. Would you accept if US starts to do that?

It is in India's interest to stop all water flow into Pakistan, to isolate Pakistan from the international community, to destroy Pakistan economically now that Pakistan is going through a tough phase. Would you accept it? Would you be calm if we do that?

 

[Rank]

what is the pakistani definition of real taliban

Pakistani Defination of Real taliban is ""Who kicknoff Americans ***** already in Afghanistan and the same from whom India have fear because after US quit they will do it same with India"

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And still you dont know who are Talibans (and who are fake talibans support by International agencies).

Welldone its my suggestion to you better to join gaming community especially Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare forum. Because in such community you in Russian US marine forces side in game and sometime you are become Iraqi in game. So its hard to explain who are real taliban or terroriost in Game.

Its Defence Forum in which you atleast know who are TALIBANS better to read history about afghanistan if you interested to post in such thread in which Talibs or Afghanistan discussion going on!

 

[Aslan]

Sympathizing and/or apologizing with barbarians makes you a barbarian.

Well sir yes they are barbarians and with out a shadow of doubt, but then the US official that is crying foul is part of the same gov that is trying to strike a deal with the same barbarians. And unfortunately in today's world national interests are held above any thing else. The same people who are whining about Pakistan's association with the Taliban will not waste a sec defending their countries association with them if it serves their interest, that is keeping Pakistan weak. Pakistan should ensure that the talibans are kept in check in Pakistan and in Afghanistan, but at the same time their own position is not compromised. It will take alot of time to achieve. And the mess at the first place is not of our making as our dear neighbours love to blame us for it all the time. It was their darling USSR that created the whole mess with the Americans and the Pakistanis coming in it latter. And we had to be in it completely by default, as you guys like to defend your association with the war of 71 by saying that the influx of refuges forced you guys to interfere like wise. We had a bigger problem on hand not only we had millions of Afghans coming into our country also we were threatened with occupation if we had not kept the Russians in check in Afghanistan. So it was not a marriage of choice for us but rather a marriage of convenience. And alas if we had left Afghanistan to its own after the Russian withdrawal the Indians had been playing a dirtier game there just to pin us down. So in essence you guys your self are not such saints as you would like your self to be believed as.

 

[SMC]

There are a lot of things that are in your or our interests, but that doesn't mean we have to go that route. There are a lot of other things that need to be taken into account. Taliban may be advantageous to you but what about the millions of Afghans that are deprived of basic necessities by the same Taliban?

It is in US's interest to curb the development of the rest of the world. Would you accept if US starts to do that?

It is in India's interest to stop all water flow into Pakistan, to isolate Pakistan from the international community, to destroy Pakistan economically now that Pakistan is going through a tough phase. Would you accept it? Would you be calm if we do that?

You're using a very broad definition of interests. When calculating interests, you have to look at what you gain and what are the possible consequences.

If India stops water into Pakistan, the consequences aren't too bright. Could cause a serious war, and there would be a diplomatic loss.

If US stops development in the rest of the world, there are consequences (i.e. possible attacks on US) and it doesn't gain much anyway from stopping development.

In other words, if negatives outweigh positives, then it's not really in one's interests to go ahead with the plans. Even if the positivies might be good thing for you.

There's things I wouldn't agree with, but people in the nation carrying out those things would probably be OK with it. It's how the world works.

 

[jagjitnatt]

You're using a very broad definition of interests. When calculating interests, you have to look at what you gain and what are the possible consequences. If India stops water into Pakistan, the consequences aren't too bright. Could cause a serious war, and there would be a diplomatic loss. If US stops development in the rest of the world, there are consequences (i.e. possible attacks on US) and it doesn't gain much anyway from stopping development. There's things I wouldn't agree with, but people in the nation carrying out those things would probably be OK with it. It's how the world works.

The same Taliban that holds your interests has destroyed the lives of millions in Afghanistan. People are being butchered, beheaded in public.

I can't imagine a society where listening to music can cost me my head.

Taliban was a tool to drive away Soviets. There role ended there itself. Just look at the past two decades. Its been a virtual hell in Afghanistan. Would you even remotely prefer that to happen to Pakistan?

 

[Philosopher1]

When was Tehrik-i Taliban formed?

Where was it was formed?

What was the cause?

Which nationals are they?

Where do they get training and arms and how?

Who are their allies?

Who are their sympethisers?

What are they fighting for?

 

[Aslan]

The same Taliban that holds your interests has destroyed the lives of millions in Afghanistan. People are being butchered, beheaded in public.

I can't imagine a society where listening to music can cost me my head.

Taliban was a tool to drive away Soviets. There role ended there itself. Just look at the past two decades. Its been a virtual hell in Afghanistan. Would you even remotely prefer that to happen to Pakistan?

And how misinformed could you be. The talibans as a group came into existence after the Russian withdrawal. And as far as the Afghani lives that were destroyed, well I don't see you guys running your mouth about the NA who were equally as corrupt and brutal. Why because they served the Indian interest. So Hypocrisy is the best trait and practised well by you guys.

 

[Aslan]

When was Tehrik-i Taliban formed?

Where was it was formed?

What was the cause?

Which national are they?

Where do they get training and arms and how?

Who are their allies?

Who are their sympethisers?

What are they fighting for?

Try
Google.

 

[ajpirzada]

The same Taliban that holds your interests has destroyed the lives of millions in Afghanistan. People are being butchered, beheaded in public.

I can't imagine a society where listening to music can cost me my head.

Taliban was a tool to drive away Soviets. There role ended there itself. Just look at the past two decades. Its been a virtual hell in Afghanistan. Would you even remotely prefer that to happen to Pakistan?

and those warlords sitting in the current gov are a tool to drive away talibans. no one is clean in this power game. look at the human rights record of those in gov and then tell me if they are any better than taliban.
its only interest which is dictating the power game in afghanistan and nothing else. if u wanna talk about civillian killings, US is very much ahead of taliban.

 

[Philosopher1]

Try
Google.

Tried. comes up with the same answer.
Thought there would be someone who has a different answer but found nobody wants to answer.

 

[Aslan]

Well they as a group came into existence after the Russian withdrawal, and originated from Jalabad. It comprised of students of different madrassas both from Pakistan and Afghanistan. And were majority Pashtuns from Afghanistan.

 

[Philosopher1]

Well they as a group came into existence after the Russian withdrawal, and originated from Jalabad. It comprised of students of different madrassas both from Pakistan and Afghanistan. And were majority Pashtuns from Afghanistan.

what are they fighting for? US withdrawal?