U.S. non-cooperation hinders in war against terror: Pak officials

[dahmed0]

sorry mr energon, no way the war of capturing of oil and gas is not the responsiblity, it is not in pakistani tax payers interst. and it is not the war on terror, it is the war of usa , capturing the wealth of oil and gas from muslim states,,,,, and we dont need to have your,rusted and old f-16s and cobras keep in grease on them, for urself, they r not price we can pay for our freedom, lets look, what happen to us forces, in afghanistan,once pakistan army,come back from nwfp,province only for jst one month. every pakistani knows about the bullshit freinship with usa have with us arrogant, and selfishness,looking always to stabe us frm behind we already, become mature as a nation and we know how too defend our selves,what ever we can get from our friend , china,we should buy, never mind,j-10 or j11s atleast they r not the price of our freedom,as a pakistani i feel very ashamed for having a friend like usa. hope u can decode this,with love.

 

[Energon]

Agnostic, this article pretty much sums up everything we have said in this thread so far.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^ I'm afraid the link isn't working Energon.

 

[fatman17]

related article...

Pentagon calls Pakistan vital ally

WASHINGTON: Hailing Pakistan as an “indispensable ally” in the fight against terrorism, the United States has said it is committed to a long-term relationship with Pakistan in wide-ranging areas, including security cooperation.

Commenting on media reports to the contrary, US officials said the alliance between the two countries remains “strong and is not frayed at all.” “Pakistan is a vital ally and contributes in many ways to the war on terror. Our long-term relationship with Pakistan is central to defeating extremist groups in the region, and it’s difficult to imagine success without Pakistani support,” a Pentagon spokesman said.

US Air Force Lt Col Todd Vician said, “We continue to work closely with the Pakistan Army to find and deliver additional spares, and to fund and implement a long-term helicopter maintenance and sustainment program that will help meet the challenges” posed by the increased efforts of the Pakistan Army on the western border.

Asked about delays in provision of spare parts for helicopters, he said these aircraft are no longer in the US military inventory, “therefore, finding spare parts is a constant challenge”.

The US recently transferred 30 helicopters plus a supply of spare parts, he said. “Other reconditioned helicopters will be delivered in 2008,” he added.

The spokesman acknowledged the efforts of Pakistani troops in curtailing border infiltration, disrupting the Taliban, and supporting tribal leaders in their efforts to curb militancy.

On fulfilling security commitments with Pakistan, the spokesman said the US remained committed to a “long-term, wide-ranging strategic partnership with Pakistan”.With US support, the South Asian country has developed a multi-dimensioned strategy to strengthen governance, promote economic development and improve security, he said.

“Our support for Pakistan’s counter-terror efforts will continue with a variety of focused programs in areas such as security cooperation, bilateral exercises.” “We will continue to work closely with both Pakistan and Afghanistan to eliminate safe havens for the Taliban and violent extremists,” he added.

Meanwhile, the State Department said the US and Pakistan have a close relationship that covers cooperation in a broad range of areas, and is not confined to fighting terrorism.

The US is grateful for the “leadership role Pakistan is playing in the global fight against terrorism,” a State Department official said. But, the US is also extending assistance to the South Asian ally in economic support, and the heath and education sectors, she added.

 

[Energon]

^^ I'm afraid the link isn't working Energon.

CRAP! MSNBC took that article off. It was literally a reiteration of our arguments. We could have just as easily sold them a script of our posts and made some cash.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This ties in with the issue raised at the beginning of this thread, that not only is the inventorying taking a toll on the operational capabilities of the SF's, but poor logistical support for maintaining equipment like the Cobra's, which arguable are the major advantage the PA has in the fight, is also possibly resulting in a scaling back or delay in conducting operations.

WASHINGTON: Strict U.S. controls over equipment and a failure to provide other equipment, such as spare parts, has impeded Pakistan’s ability to hunt down Taliban and al-Qaeda, a US newspaper reported citing Pakistani officials.

According to a report published in a US daily Pakistani officials said Pakistan received 1300 pairs of U.S.-made night-vision goggles that enable them to see and fight al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents in the dark. The sophisticated goggles were supplied by the Bush administration at a cost of US $6.4 million.

But every three months, the troops had to turn in their goggles for two weeks to be inventoried, because the U.S. military wanted to make sure none were stolen, U.S. and Pakistani officials said. Militants perceived a pattern and scurried into the open without fear during the two-week counts.

Pakistani officials say that strict U.S. control over equipment and a failure to provide other equipment, such as spare parts, has impeded their ability to hunt down Taliban and al-Qaeda sympathizers, the report said. In addition to goggles, the U.S.-made attack helicopters are grounded for weeks because of parts shortages.

Pakistan needs still more help, including persistent access to night-vision goggles, helicopters and other gear that is particularly useful in fighting an insurgency, said Mahmud Ali Durrani, Pakistan's ambassador to the United States.

And this from the interview yesterday:

He said his army was limited in its resources for taking on the militants. “Ten days back, of 20 Cobra helicopters, we have only one that was serviceable,” he said. “We need more support.”

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

US newspapers and the Bush Administration pegs the aid given, mostly in military equipment as $ 10 million!

Pakistan has received about $10 billion in U.S. aid since 2001, with much of that in counter-terrorism assistance.

Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, a Democratic presidential candidate and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, described the situation in Pakistan as "a real mess" and agreed that U.S. aid should be under review.

"I'm not sure how much good that military aid we're giving him to fight the extremists is doing us anyway," Biden said on CBS News' "Face the Nation."

"From the brief briefing I got last night (from White House officials), I don't know that they have any notion of what they're going to do right now," he said. "There's still this faint hope that this martial law will last only a day or two, but I think we're kidding ourselves."
U.S. reviews financial aid to Pakistan - Boston.com

 

[roadrunner]

A lot of it is military aid. Not sure why some people say it's helped boost the economy. That's just economic reform. Probably should be asking for some Cobra helicopter parts though.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There has been some discussion of Pakistan going for the T-129 (mangusta) or the Denel chopper (which i believe has been discontinued) - of course the Cobra's are free, but if free means that we can't even use them because of bureaucratic delays in the provision of spares, perhaps looking into a different supplier and bearing the cost ourselves may not be such a bad idea.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The World Bank and IMF is what has salvaged the situation and they are but allied arm of US Foreign policy.

While a whole lot of people feel that US equipment is fabulous and indeed they are, but they are very delicate and sophisticated. They require loving care and are not very robust.

For a workaday environment, Russian equipment is the best. Work them even with the most useless chaps behind the equipment and they still function. That is why there are reports that the US forces are using AKs instead of their own sophisticated rifles that are prone to blockages, if not regularly maintained!

 

[ejaz007]

Unfortunately Pak-US relations historically have always been based for a specific reason and have not been based on a country level. What I mean is that during general Ayub the relations were against communism (if it were) and we were part of a lot of pacts formed against communism. Than during general Zia government the relations were for fighting Soviets in Afghanistan. Now during general Musharaf these are for fight against terrorism (or oilrism). Unfortunately the relations have been person specific rather country specific. Another thing in Pakistan USA has enjoyed close relationship with dictators while has had a less than good relationship with democratically elected governments.

Another thing equipment no matter how sophisticated it is worthless if no spares are available. It seems what ever we have received has not been properly maintained due to lack of spares or unwillingness of USA to provide them or bureaucratic red tape (whatever the reason).

US policy towards Pakistan even now is based on daily basis rather than on long-term basis. With all sorts of statements from Washington from different congressmen and senators one gets the feeling that US is not sure what to do with Pakistan. If USA has a long-term policy than they should give it a chance to work.

Whatever problems we have right now are partly due to US. Now have a look at what is happening in Tribal Areas or Swat. These are the same people that were brought to Pakistan from all over the world to fight soviets. When US won the war against soviets they simply ran away leaving Pakistan to deal with them. Since Pakistan did not had a back up or contingency plan for years they prospered freely. Now they have emerged as a major problem for us. Even now instead of realizing the problem US Government and its think tanks are sort of enhancing the troubles of Pakistan by giving doomsday predictions about Pakistan.

The solution though simple requires both patience and short term and long term policy. Foreign think tanks are not aware of the traditions and ground realities of the area. These people need to be tackled with the cooperation of local people and it shall require time.

Lets hope sense prevails in all decision making places.