U.S. military begins testing ‘smart’ rifles

[Informant]

And everything else...

But Chinese copies like f35 Chinese copy is just paper tiger.

Wouldn't say it is a copy because copy implies the product has the same quality as the original.

Neverless your Anatolians are still very interesting for our copy SAM...or should I said...sub-standard copy

Whoops.....walked into that one

 

[atatwolf]

Neverless your Anatolians are still very interesting for our copy SAM...or should I said...sub-standard copy

At least you have some self knowledge haha.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

At least you have some self knowledge haha.

As long as you Anatolians are please with our sub-standard produit..everything will just....be fine

 

[atatwolf]

As long as you Anatolians are please with our sub-standard produit..everything will just....be fine

Nothing is signed so get off your high horse

Even if it is signed that copy cat thing won't be able to linked up with NATO systems because they are afraid tech will be stolen.

I suspect Turkey is just using China as negotiation chip against others to lower price and tech transfer.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Nothing is signed so get off your high horse

Even if it is signed that copy cat thing won't be able to linked up with NATO systems because they are afraid tech will be stolen.

I suspect Turkey is just using China as negotiation chip against others to lower price and tech transfer.

And it doen't matter if the deal when through or not, we're using this opportunity to promote our arm sale as well...if our arm deal could anger American regardless of it's effectiveness, we can use its as chip bargain in the future for our geo-political means, such if they sole arm to Taiwan, we can sell to Cuba or other south Americans nations as backyard digging .

 

[atatwolf]

And it doen't matter if the deal when through or not, we're using this opportunity to promote our arm sale as well...if our arm deal could anger American regardless of it's effectiveness, we can use its as chip bargain in the future for our geo-political means, such if they sole arm to Taiwan, we can sell to Cuba or other south Americans nations as backyard digging .

Chinese product is far inferior to competitors. You can't cover that up. It is Russian tech, 20'year old. It is clear that Turkey uses China as bargaining chip.

Yes, you can sell your scrap to Latin America and piss off them off but US is already moving their source of cheap labor and production to third countries. They will even move it quicker or even worse boycot China. Chinese economy would fall in matter of months.

Most of China's neighbors already mistrusting you. The same way NATO doesn't want their system linked to Chinese scrap. They also wouldn't want that.

 

[Desertfalcon]

ofcourse soldiers are dumb, you have to be really stupid to willingly take the risk to be shot at and possibly killed all for nothing but country

You picked made an odd choice for a screen name, in not coming up for any other reason why people willingly join their country's armed forces.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Chinese product is far inferior to competitors. You can't cover that up. It is Russian tech, 20'year old. It is clear that Turkey uses China as bargaining chip.

Yes, you can sell your scrap to Latin America and piss off them off but US is already moving their source of cheap labor and production to third countries. They will even move it quicker or even worse boycot China. Chinese economy would fall in matter of months.

Most of China's neighbors already mistrusting you. The same way NATO doesn't want their system linked to Chinese scrap. They also wouldn't want that.

We chinese are pragmatic, The junks we sold to other nations and Turkey gave us some returns $$$, money has no smells. And yes we're glad that U.S move cheap labor out of China, we have enough of pollution generated with this thin margin of profit from low end manufacturing, we rather work for ourself on some more pay off products.

Sure our neighbors don't trust us but at least seem Turkey has fate on China, otherwise your gorvernement would even bother to call on Chineses to lay track for your high speed train, you better buy insurrance before taking the train in Turkey.

And It's not the first time that you Anatolians is delude yourself about China...it uppon a time....

 

[Khan_patriot]

You picked made an odd choice for a screen name, in not coming up for any other reason why people willingly join their country's armed forces.

sorry mate, I dont understand what you are trying to say, are you talking about my screen name (khan_patriot).....

 

[atatwolf]

We chinese are pragmatic, The junks we sold to other nations and Turkey gave us some returns $$$, money has no smells. And yes we're glad that U.S move cheap labor out of China, we have enough of pollution generated with this thin margin of profit from low end manufacturing, we rather work for ourself on some more pay off products.

Sure our neighbors don't trust us but at least seem Turkey has fate on China, otherwise your gorvernement would even bother to call on Chineses to lay track for your high speed train, you better buy insurrance before taking the train in Turkey.

And It's not the first time that you Anatolians is delude yourself about China...it uppon a time....

Turkey hasn't signed anything yet. I don't want to repeat myself but you are just bargaining chip for Turkish forein policy.

About US reallocating labor abroad. Not is not good for China. China doesn't have middle class. You can't sell your products domestically. China's competitive advantage was cheap labor and soon China's average age will reach 40 and you can't provide that anymore. Don't think you are Japan.

If you watch Turkish foreign policy, Japan is much closer. They already announced wanting to open technology universities in Turkey, Japanese pm already said turkey is most important ally for Japan. Read this:
Japan-Turkey Summit Meeting ｜ Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan

Turkey might diversify and do also business with China but it is all superficial. It is just like US exploiting China's cheap labor. With Japan on the other hand things go much deeper than trade. A speech that says a lot. (Read between the lines)
Speech by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe "Turkey and Japan are the two wings that will make Asia soar" at the Opening Ceremony of the Marmaray Project (Speeches and Statements by Prime Minister) | Prime Minister of Japan and His Cabinet

 

[armchairPrivate]

Your reply is flawed on two parts

1) I had clearly stated in my earlier post that these weapons would not be provided to infantry grunts but special op forces. You obviously missed it!

2) You're quoting an article from year 2008, when US Army was fighting two wars. It is only expected the quality of recruits to dip when the demand is high. I'd like to see Mr. Kaplan write another article now that Army is in a draw down phase.

PS: If you're so itching to start discussion about quality of US military feel free to start another thread, don't be a troll!

ofcourse soldiers are dumb, you have to be really stupid to willingly take the risk to be shot at and possibly killed all for nothing but country, while at the same time your countrymen sit on their *** calling you stupid for fighting to protect them and the entire country......People like you need to be forcibly drafted and made to serve in the military so you know exactly what the **** the military is.......

Still a lot smarter than the rest of the world's...And I speak from personal experience, unlike you who probably never left your province.

Nobody is participating in dick measuring contest here (not me), so I don’t care who is better than whom.

It is a well known fact that dumb adults make dumb soldiers.
Dumb soldiers not only endanger themselves, but they also are a danger to their buddies.
When dumb soldiers are let to handle smart weapons, the danger is even bigger. Not to the enemies, but to themselves.
So as I said in the beginning – Dumb soldiers and smart weapons do not mix.

Beauty fades. Dumb is forever.
The US adults are dumber. It is just a fact.

US adults are dumber than the average human | New York Post

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US adults are dumber than the average human
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October 8, 2013 | 10:45am


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WASHINGTON — It’s long been known that America’s school kids haven’t measured well compared with international peers. Now, there’s a new twist: Adults don’t either.

In math, reading and problem-solving using technology – all skills considered critical for global competitiveness and economic strength – American adults scored below the international average on a global test, according to results released Tuesday.

Adults in Japan, Canada, Australia, Finland and multiple other countries scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test. Beyond basic reading and math, respondents were tested on activities such as calculating mileage reimbursement due to a salesman, sorting email and comparing food expiration dates on grocery store tags.

Not only did Americans score poorly compared to many international competitors, the findings reinforced just how large the gap is between the nation’s high- and low-skilled workers and how hard it is to move ahead when your parents haven’t.

In both reading and math, for example, those with college-educated parents did better than those whose parents did not complete high school.

The study, called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies, found that it was easier on average to overcome this and other barriers to literacy overseas than in the United States.

Researchers tested about 166,000 people ages 16 to 65 in more than 20 countries and subnational regions. The test was developed and released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which is made up of mostly industrialized member countries. The Education Department’s Center for Education Statistics participated.

The findings were equally grim for many European countries – Italy and Spain, among the hardest hit by the recession and debt crisis, ranked at the bottom across generations. Unemployment is well over 25 percent in Spain and over 12 percent in Italy. Spain has drastically cut education spending, drawing student street protests.

But in the northern European countries that have fared better, the picture was brighter – and the study credits continuing education. In Finland, Denmark, and the Netherlands, more than 60 percent of adults took part in either job training or continuing education. In Italy, by contrast, the rate was half that.

As the American economy sputters along and many people live paycheck-to-paycheck, economists say a highly-skilled workforce is key to economic recovery. The median hourly wage of workers scoring on the highest level in literacy on the test is more than 60 percent higher than for workers scoring at the lowest level, and those with low literacy skills were more than twice as likely to be unemployed.

“It’s not just the kids who require more and more preparation to get access to the economy, it’s more and more the adults don’t have the skills to stay in it,” said Anthony Carnevale, director of the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a statement the nation needs to find ways to reach more adults to upgrade their skills. Otherwise, he said, “no matter how hard they work, these adults will be stuck, unable to support their families and contribute fully to our country.”

Among the other findings:

-Americans scored toward the bottom in the category of problem solving in a technology rich environment. The top five scores in the areas were from Japan, Finland, Australia, Sweden and Norway, while the US score was on par with England, Estonia, Ireland and Poland. In nearly all countries, at least 10 percent of adults lacked the most basic of computer skills such as using a mouse.

-Japanese and Dutch adults who were ages 25 to 34 and only completed high school easily outperformed Italian or Spanish university graduates of the same age.

-In England, Germany, Italy, Poland, and the United States, social background has a big impact on literacy skills, meaning the children of parents with low levels of education have lower reading skills.

America’s school kids have historically scored low on international assessment tests compared to other countries, which is often blamed on the diversity of the population and the high number of immigrants. Also, achievement tests have long shown that a large chunk of the US student population lacks basic reading and math skills – most pronounced among low-income and minority students.

This test could suggest students leaving high school without certain basic skills aren’t obtaining them later on the job or in an education program.

The United States will have a tough time catching up because money at the state and local level, a major source of education funding, has been slashed in recent years, said Jacob Kirkegaard, an economist with the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

“There is a race between man and machine here. The question here is always: Are you a worker for whom technology makes it possible to do a better job or are you a worker that the technology can replace?” he said. For those without the most basic skills, he said, the answer will be merciless and has the potential to extend into future generations. Learning is highly correlated with parents’ education level.

“If you want to avoid having an underclass – a large group of people who are basically unemployable – this educational system is absolutely key,” Kirkegaard said.

Dolores Perin, professor of psychology and education at Teachers College, Columbia University, said the report provides a “good basis for an argument there should be more resources to support adults with low literacy.”

Adults can learn new skills at any age and there are adult-geared programs around the country, Perin said. But, she said, the challenge is ensuring the programs have quality teaching and that adults regularly attend classes.

“If you find reading and writing hard, you’ve been working hard all day at two jobs, you’ve got a young child, are you actually going to go to class? It’s challenging,” Perin said.

Some economists say that large skills gap in the United States could matter even more in the future. America’s economic competitors like China and India are simply larger than competitors of the past like Japan, Carnevale said. Even while America’s top 10 percent of students can compete globally, Carnevale said, that doesn’t cut it. China and India did not participate in this assessment.

“The skills in the middle are required and we’re not producing them,” Carnevale said.

Respondents were selected as part of a nationally represented sample. The test was primarily taken at home using a computer, but some respondents used a printed test booklet.

Among the other findings:

-Japan, Finland, Canada, Netherlands, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Flanders-Belgium, Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, and Korea all scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test.

-The average scores in literacy range from 250 in Italy to 296 in Japan. The US average score was 270. (500 was the highest score in all three areas.) Average scores in 12 countries were higher than the average US score.

-The average scores in math range from 246 in Spain to 288 in Japan. The US average score was 253, below 18 other countries.

-The average scores on problem solving in technology-rich environments ranged from 275 in Poland to 294 in Japan. The US average score was 277, below 14 other countries.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Turkey hasn't signed anything yet. I don't want to repeat myself but you are just bargaining chip for Turkish forein policy.

About US reallocating labor abroad. Not is not good for China. China doesn't have middle class. You can't sell your products domestically. China's competitive advantage was cheap labor and soon China's average age will reach 40 and you can't provide that anymore. Don't think you are Japan.

If you watch Turkish foreign policy, Japan is much closer. They already announced wanting to open technology universities in Turkey, Japanese pm already said turkey is most important ally for Japan. Read this:
Japan-Turkey Summit Meeting ｜ Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan

Turkey might diversify and do also business with China but it is all superficial. It is just like US exploiting China's cheap labor. With Japan on the other hand things go much deeper than trade. A speech that says a lot. (Read between the lines)
Speech by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe "Turkey and Japan are the two wings that will make Asia soar" at the Opening Ceremony of the Marmaray Project (Speeches and Statements by Prime Minister) | Prime Minister of Japan and His Cabinet

Don't delute yourself too much about China, Americans had been telling the world for over two decades that China's economy is facing an apolcalypse date and we still growth and prosper.

Turkey's relation Japan will never affect us, we're not depend on Turkey for bread and butter..Turkey has never been an important place in China's geopolitic anyway, if you think Japan is good for turkey then good for you.

 

[gambit]

Nobody is participating in dick measuring contest here (not me), so I don’t care who is better than whom.

Yes...YOU are. The subject is the rifle. You started the dick measuring contest back in post 9.

The US adults are dumber. It is just a fact.

Yeah..That is funny considering back in the 20th century, I trained Egyptians, Saudis, and Turks. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it turned out that the average US military NCO holds responsibilities as that of a Soviet captain. Today, the Chinese PLA is patterning itself after US, from the lowliest private to the highest general, in everything from dress to tactics to conducts. Other militaries send their people to US, not Canada or China, to train with our soldiers, sailors, and airmen.

 

[Desertfalcon]

sorry mate, I dont understand what you are trying to say, are you talking about my screen name (khan_patriot).....

Yes, "patriot" because I was replying to this quote...

ofcourse soldiers are dumb, you have to be really stupid to willingly take the risk to be shot at and possibly killed all for nothing but country

Aren't you a patriot who would take that risk of being shot at and killed in the defence of your country? If yes, don't you think others are as well?

 

[jaibi]

Great read, Zarvi!

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The U.S. military has begun testing several so-called smart rifles made by the applied technology start-up TrackingPoint Inc., company officials said.

The Army is rumored to have acquired six of the precision-guided firearms, which cost as much as $27,000 apiece. Oren Schauble, a marketing official with the Austin, Texas-based company, confirmed the military bought a handful of them in recent months for evaluation. A spokeswoman for the service didn’t immediately respond to an email requesting comment.

'We’re gun nerds, we’re video-game nerds, we’re engineering nerds. Imagine where we’ll be in three to five years.'
- TrackingPoint marketing official Oren Schauble

“The military has purchased several units for testing and evaluation purposes,” Schauble said during an interview with Military.com Tuesday here at the annual SHOT Show, the country’s largest gun show with some 60,000 attendees.]

It’s not hard to see why more than 30 government and law enforcement agencies have requested demonstrations of the potentially game-changing technology since the company debuted the rifle at last year’s show.

Smith & Wesson Unveils Backpack Cannon

With only a few minutes of instruction on the weapon, this correspondent was able to hit a target almost 1,000 yards away on the first shot. Of the 70 or so reporters and other novice shooters who tested the weapon on Monday at a range in Boulder City, Nev., only one or two missed the target, which was located about 980 yards away, according to Schauble.

“That is a better day than usual,” he said. “I would say we’re at about 70 percent first-shot success probability at 1,000 yards … with inexperienced shooters.”

By comparison, military snipers and sharpshooters have a first-shot success rate of between 20 percent and 30 percent, said Schauble, a relative of the firm’s Chief Executive Officer Jason Schauble. They usually reach about 70 percent on subsequent shots, he said.

“That’s the big value proposition,” he said. “There’s a huge gap between first shot and second shot.”

The military testing seeks to determine how typical troops perform using the weapon compared to expert marksman using traditional rifles, Schauble said. The Army has long been excited about the promise of precision-guided, shoulder-fired weapons. Last year, it tested

the XM25 air-burst weapon in Afghanistan.

But it’s unclear what kind of reception the smart rifle will receive in the sniper community. When asked whether the product has encountered resistance from military marksmen, Schauble said, “This is not necessarily for them. This is for guys who don’t have that training who need to perform in greater capabilities. This is more for your average soldier.”

While the company built the rifle for the commercial market, it quickly realized the potential applications for the military and defense sector, especially as battlefields become more networked, Schauble said.

“Rifles can communicate with each other,” he said. “We can enable a more information-driven combat in the sense that you can tag targets. You can pass off those targets to someone else with a scope. There’s a whole layer of communication that comes with having a rifle that can designate and track targets.”

The system includes a Linux-powered computer in the scope with sensors that collect imagery and ballistic data such as atmospheric conditions, cant, inclination, even the slight shift of the Earth’s rotation known as the Coriolis effect. Because the computer is wireless-enabled, information can be streamed to a laptop, smart phone or tablet computer for spotting or to share intelligence.

“The only way to guarantee accuracy is to control all the variables,” said Scott Calvin, a company representative who demonstrated the rifle at the range. The only variable the system doesn’t account for is wind speed and direction, which must be entered manually, he said.

Print Your Prosthetic at Home

The rifle operates far differently than its traditional counterparts, though the process is quite simple.

After looking through the scope, a shooter pushes a red button near the trigger to tag a target — similar to the way a Facebook user tags a friend in a photograph. A reticle then appears based on the bullet’s expected trajectory determined by the computer. The shooter then arms the scope by squeezing the trigger back, lines up the reticle with the painted target and releases the trigger to fire a round.

The rifle may take the art out of marksmanship, but its apparent accuracy is virtually guaranteed to continue to draw interest — not just from customers in the U.S., but around the world. The company has already sold about 500 of the rifles, mostly to wealthy safari hunters and elderly hunters, Schauble said.

Officials from the Agriculture Department stopped by the company’s booth at the show to look at the products for possible use in a program to better control the rising population of feral pigs.

The guns range in cost, from about $10,000 for scope-and-trigger kits installed on semi-automatic Daniel Defense rifles accurate to about 750 yards, to between $22,000 and $27,000 for those installed on bolt-action Surgeon rifles accurate to about 1,250 yards, according to Schauble. The kits can also be installed on other types of firearms, he said.

TrackingPoint was launched about a year ago by John McHale, a founder of multiple technology start-ups, and has about 75 employees, more than half of which are engineers, Schauble said. “We’re gun nerds. We’re video-game nerds. We’re engineering nerds,” he said. “Imagine where we’ll be in three to five years.”
U.S. military begins testing ‘smart’ rifles | Fox News
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