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U.S.-INSTALLED IRAQ GOVERNMENT IN DANGER?

its funny coz the first thing Iranian's land in dubai do is buy western dresses and get naked, next bad mouth abut the Iranian regime, third......................

we like half naked Iranian chiks:azn:

Pakistan can play a crucial role in solving this hate.

Look after your own country men, stop worry for others..Pakistan cannot play any role in this hate but will get engulfed in a proxy war, better to keep away from two troublesome neighbors!
 
Look after your own country men, stop worry for others..Pakistan cannot play any role in this hate but will get engulfed in a proxy war, better to keep away from two troublesome neighbors!

unfortunately when it comes to the holy lands being attacked all options are on the table for every one and this is what we need to stop 4m happening.

proxy wars must stop immediately. as long as both dont respect human lives both will be a 3rd world country no mater what fancy weapons u have.
 
i can post images of poor Iranians to prove my point but i wont as they r my bro/sys,
u wont find that kind of poverty among locals here u just cant compare.....

yes we like the way Iranian chiks dress :azn:

yes this is the freedom we arabs provide to live like u want, the word my friend is freedom which is not made in iran.

also 99% hate the present Iranian regime.
I see, you have lost your identity and became Arab.That's the problem with you guys,almost all Pakistanis on this site who live in Arab countries are regime supporters,brainwashed by their propaganda and faced identity crisis.
I was talking about Iranians abroad,amd said they are always among richest.You live in Dubai and you can see them a lot,and you know very well how well Iranians live in Dubai,even better than Arabs themselves.

PS: Don't compare a country like UAE with Iran.It has much less population and sells more oil than Iran.It's not under sanctions,and yet,an average Iranian in Iran has a better quality of life than those in Pakistan and India.See?Comparing irrelevant things is not that hard.
 
Iraqi population: Don't forget the Iranians naturalized in huge numbers in Iraq after US gave Iraq to Iran on a platter on gold.

Can you provide evidence? seriously don't know whether to laugh or cry at the idiocy of the some members here. whats the source for your information. I have traveled to Iraq yet I haven't seen "naturalized" Iranians.
 
What would be really nice is some one who isnt a glove puppet for either side. Im not a big fan of Morsi but at least he has the balls to try and run Egypt for Egyptians al-Maliki seems to think Iraq is a province of Iran.
 
If the Sunnis try to start sectarian violence again in Iraq it will not be like Syria. they are a minority and they will have to deal with American tanks,jets,and artillery not soviet era crap weapons that Syria have. The Iraqi army will crush any sunni uprising.
 
If the Sunnis try to start sectarian violence again in Iraq it will not be like Syria. they are a minority and they will have to deal with American tanks,jets,and artillery not soviet era crap weapons that Syria have. The Iraqi army will crush any sunni uprising.
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A picture is worth a thousand words

hope things cool down.
 
If the Sunnis try to start sectarian violence again in Iraq it will not be like Syria. they are a minority and they will have to deal with American tanks,jets,and artillery not soviet era crap weapons that Syria have. The Iraqi army will crush any sunni uprising.

Sure. ;)


Iraqis By the Numbers

Is There a Sunni Majority in Iraq?

by FARUQ ZIADA
December 27, 2006



The United States based its policy on Iraq on two primary so-called facts:

1. The Sunnis are a 20 % minority.

2. The Sunni minority and Saddam Hussein ruled the Shiite majority in Iraq.

Thus, the U.S. Iraq policy — as set by the Bush Administration, and the Neoconservatives–both before and after the 2003 war and occupation, was based on this false premise. Because of this, the Sunnis were marginalized and power was handed over to the Shiite religious parties and Kurdish parties by the occupation force CPA, Ambassador Bremer, and later Ambassador Negroponte.

Based on this false premise, the U.S. policy failed miserably. Still, the Bush Administration continued and still is continuing this policy. Bush called it "Stay the course"

For this reason, and to bring to light information that should help inform a new policy, it is of the utmost importance to correct this fallacy. We need to put the facts in front of all who will try to correct the course, find the correct necessary policies to end the bloodshed, and end the catastrophe that has befallen Iraq.

The Correct Percentages of Sunnis, Shiites, Arabs, and Kurds

The actual, real percentages of various groups in Iraq is outlined below. Statistics come from the Al- Quds Press Research Center, London Study (qudspress.com) and, with reference to the map on the distribution of religious groups, from the Baker–Hamilton Committee report page, 102).(1)





As Nationalities
Arabs 82 – 84%
Kurds, Turks, etc. 16 – 18%

Religions
Moslem-s 95 – 98%
Christians and others 2 – 5%

Moslem Sects
Sunnis 60 – 62%
Sunni Arabs 42 – 44%
Sunni Kurds and Turks 16 – 18%
Shiites 38 – 40%
Shiite Kurds and Turks 2 – 4%
Percentage of Sunnis, Shiites, Arabs, and Kurds

The Election of January 31,2005

The results of the elections on January 31, 2005 provide a very clear indication of Sunni majority and Shiite minority. For instance:

The majority of Sunnis boycotted the elections. Those who voted gave their votes to the slates of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, or Adnan Al- Pachachi, or to the Royalist.

All the Shiite parties or groups united on one slate, the Unified Iraqi Coalition.

Ayatollah Al-Sistani and all other Shiite religious leaders issued an edict (fatwah) that Shiites must vote and must vote for the Shiite slate. The edict also stated that if a married man or woman did not vote, they would no longer be legally considered husband and wife.

The media showed long lines of women in southern Iraq, waiting to vote, just as they depicted ill people in wheel chairs being pushed to the election boxes.

The Coalition Provisional Authority (the U.S.) and the Elections Committee claimed that 95% of Shiites participated in the vote.

The CPA gave its full backing to the elections. President Bush hailed the elections as one of the greatest events in Middle East history, a great democratic achievement.

However, the election results were a fiasco and a big scandal for all those who participated in the elections. The results were delayed for more than five weeks, during which time the United States and the Shiite filled the media with daily statements about how fantastic they were and how the Shiites had won more than two-thirds of the seats.

Using convoluted logic, some attempted to use this to prove the Shiites accounted for more than 60 % of the population.

The Results of the January 31 Election

According to the official Election Committee, the numbers involved in the 2005 voting are as follows:

Iraqis eligible to vote 15,450,000

Iraqis inside Iraq 14,200,000

Iraqis outside Iraq 1,250,000

In addition, the following numbers were provided:

Iraqis (Shiites, Kurds, and a few Sunnis) who participated in the vote = 8,456,266, or 54 %

Iraqis who boycotted, primarily Sunnis = 6,693,734, or 46 %

It should be noted that Iraq was considered as one electoral unit. Therefore, a Shiite voting for the Shiite slate in the Arab areas, governates, the Kurdish area, or abroad will be counted for the Shiite slate.. The same for the Kurds etc. The Kurdish votes in Baghdad (more than a million) went for the Kurdish slate etc.

The Vote for the Slates: Total Votes % of Eligible Voters
Unified Iraqi Slate (Shiite/ Sistani) 4,075,295 26.3 %
The Kurdish Slate 2,175,551 14.0 %
Iraqiyah Slate (PM Ayad Allawi) 1,168,943 7.5 %
Iraqiyon (President Ghazi Al-Yawer) 150,650 0.9 %
The Communist Party 69,920
Adnan Al-Pachachi Slate 23,302
The Royalists (Shareef Ali) 13,740

It is worth noting here that the Kurdish provisional government announced that 98% of Kurds participated in the voting and that the Shiite leadership announced that 95% of Shiites voted in the election.

The Elections of the Council of Representatives, December 15,2005

The election of the Council of Representatives (present Parliament) was on December 15, 2005. Shiites and Kurds participated in the elections overwhelmingly.

However, Sunnis who supported the Muslim Scholars Association boycotted the elections. Sunnis who participated were the supporters of:

The Islamic Party (present Vice President Tariq Al-Hashimi)

The Hiwar National Iraqi Front (Dr. Saleh Al- Mutlaq)

Those who voted for National Iraqi List (ex- Prime Minister Ayad Allawi).

The Results of the Elections of the Council of Representatives

We shall concentrate only on the Shiites to show once again that they are the MINORITY in Iraq, based on the official final report of the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq (ieciraq.gov) issued on February 10, 2006.

The number of eligible voters 15,568,702

The number participating in the vote 11,895,756

The number voting for the Unified Iraqi Coalition 5,021,137

The Shiite Bloc
Percentage of eligible voters 32.2 %
Percentage of those who voted 42.2 %

The announcement of the results of the elections were delayed for nearly two months (the elections were held on December 15, 2005, and the results were announced on February 10, 2006), because of accusations of mass forgery in the Shiite governates; the militias took over the ballot boxes and filled them with ballots. All other parties threatened that they would boycott the new Council of Representatives if the situation was not rectified.

Under this pressure, an International Investigation Committee was set up jointly by the United Nations and the Arab League to check the accusations. The Committee came under open threats from the Shiite parties (SCIRI of Abdul Aziz Al- Hakeem, and Al-Dawah of Al-Maliki). The Committee was also under pressure from the Bush administration, which was desperate to have the election results announced, to demonstrate that the democratic process was on track.

Under these threats the Committee had to announce its findings from Amman, Jordan.

The Committee announced that there were grave violations committed in the Shiite governates, but also said it could not determine who committed them. The U.S. then pressured the parties contesting the election results to accept them, promising that it would exert pressure on the Shiite coalition to accept changes in the Constitution, etc. The protesting parties then acquiesced to the U.S. pressures and the results were finally announced nearly two months after the elections.

Conclusion

With the full backing of Shiite religious leaders and all efforts by the Shiite political parties, groups and factions, regardless of whether they were religious or liberal (Ahmed Al-Chalabi), and uniting under one banner (Shiite), the numbers that the Shiites could muster were meager. It can be clearly seen that they are a minority in Iraq, and not a majority:

They received 26.3 % of the votes of eligible voters in the January 31 2005 elections.

They received 32.2% of the votes of eligible voters (regardless of all election violations, forgeries and filled ballots boxes) in the December 15, 2005 elections

Therefore, one of the main reasons for the drastic failure of U.S. policy in Iraq must be attributed to the reliance on the false premise that the Sunnis are a minority and the Shiites are a majority in Iraq. It is very clear from the official numbers taken from the results of the elections of January 31, 2005, and December 15, 2005, that: the Sunnis are 60–62 % of the population of Iraq (42-44% Arab, and 16-18% Kurd and Turk Iraqis), and only 38–40 % are Shiites.


FARUQ ZIADA served as an ambassador in Iraq’s Foreign Ministry from 1992 to 2000.

Written in collaboration with Jennifer Hicks

1 - The James A. Baker – Lee H. Hamilton Committee report (PDF Doc download link):

The Iraq Study Group Report 2006

Download Doc 1.pdf from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way
 
About time Iran considers starting an insurgency in Saudi Arabia, or sends covert troops for sabotage. A few strikes killing some top royal family members , and the saudis will come begging for peace. All Saudi Arabia's and other GCC countries actions and policies are dictated only by one sole reason - the survival of the ruling sheikhs. Start bringing them down and they will come to you to bargain for peace.
 
About time Iran considers starting an insurgency in Saudi Arabia, or sends covert troops for sabotage. A few strikes killing some top royal family members , and the saudis will come begging for peace. All Saudi Arabia's and other GCC countries actions and policies are dictated only by one sole reason - the survival of the ruling sheikhs. Start bringing them down and they will come to you to bargain for peace.

No need.

They're called oil sheikhdoms for a reason. All these nothing countries were created by th British and their sole reason for survival is oil. When the Americans no longer want them, they will throw them out like a used underwear.

Just read what American politicians say about them. Even though they're enemy of Iran, they constantly praise Iranians and our culture and say things like the regime doesn't represent Iran and Iranian culture etc... They're always praising everything that's Iranian. On the other side you can see the disgust on their faces when they talk about these khaleejis. It's like they hate themselves for having to work with them lol

Time will fix everything. Oil prices are going to crash in the 2020's and by then tar sand oil production in North America has reached its full potential as well. Iran has always been one handshake with the US away from becoming a fully industrialize nation (it already is, but we need the sanctions removed and start exporting etc... to return to 20% growths we were having before the sanctions). Turkey is also industrialized. The khaleejis will still be selling oil and arabs as a whole will still be selling **** in their bazars to foreign tourists in order to run their economies. I love to see them try to terrorize the region with their nothing oil money in the 2020's while non-arabs in the region are advancing in every sector and producing heavy machinery, weapons etc... They've already lost Iraq and Egypt and they're grasping at straws in Syria.
 
yes this is the freedom we arabs provide to live like u want, the word my friend is freedom which is not made in iran.

Do you want to know what freedom is? Omanis coming to Iran as medical tourists to enjoy Iranian health care:

http://www.muscatdaily.com/Archive/Oman/Iran-popular-with-Omanis-seeking-medical-treatment-1ti7

And who are you? One of those Arab-loving Pakistanis who are ashamed of their own country, and pretend to be an Arab? Pathetic creature. Arabs may smile at you once in a while, but they look down on every one of you deep in their hearts.
 
Sure. ;)




1 - The James A. Baker – Lee H. Hamilton Committee report (PDF Doc download link):

The Iraq Study Group Report 2006

Download Doc 1.pdf from Sendspace.com - send big files the easy way

Pretty desperate if you ask me. So your saying the Sunnis should rule because they are majority?
So why not the Shia in Bahrain rule since the firm over 75% while the ruling family isn't even Bahraini? At least in Iraq the Sunnis have freedom, members in the parliament, ministers in the government..


The analysis is inaccurate as I have pointed out. The desert in the Shia provinces is marked as mixed while the desert in Anbar is all marked as Sunni. Second Kurds and Sunnis are not one group, they are politically different.

The Shia provinces have larger population than an more resources.

I have pointed this out numerous times now yet it seems you disregard it every time.


I don't really get you Saudis. You don't see Iraqis going on trolling about Saudi Arabia and its problems, yet it seems you try to act like political analysts in every event. As it goes in one of Imam Ali's poem:

وزن الكـلام إذا نطقـت و لا تكـن
ثرثـارة فـي كـل نـاد تخـطــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــب
و احفظ لسانك و احترز مـن لفظـه
فالمـرء يسلـم باللسان و يعطـــــــــــــــــــــب

Sometime it's better to keep quit than to comment on what you don't know.

Btw, for those who don't know the demands of the protesters here they are.

1-general amnestly law and release of all terrorists in prison.

There has been an amnesty before and eventually most if them went back to being terrorists and were either killed or arrested again. Families of the terrorist victims rallied against any amnesty.

2-canceling the terrorism law which states all primarly persons involved in terrorism are executed, all persons involved as secondary (covering up for or sheltering terrorists) serve a maximum of life sentence in prison.

3- pulling out the Iraqi army from the (sunni) cities and be replaced by local police.

There are many problems with removin the army. The local police is still not ready to deal with any serouis threats in the cities, and the local police will probably help terrorists operations. So it's either the army or national police from another province, any other proposal won't be accepted.


Some of the demands have been looked into such as relocating the prisoners. Looking into their files and make sure no forced confessions. But to say they are innocent is none sense. Many of them are arrested with explosives and weapons at their disposal.
 
Sunni politicians are asking for the removal of article 4 in the terrorism law. Here's the law:
http://www.vertic.org/media/National...rorism_Law.pdf

Article 4 of the law states the following:

Article 4
Penalties

1. Any one who committed, as a main perpetrator or a participant, any of the terrorist acts stated in the second & third articles of this law, shall be sentenced to death. A person who incites, plans, finances, or assists terrorists to commit the crimes stated in this law shall face the same penalty as the main perpetrator.
2. Any one, who intentionally covers up any terrorist act or harbors a terrorist with the purpose of concealment, shall be sentenced to life imprisonment.

Why on earth would you want this removed other than to cover your own tracks?
@Alshawi1234 , plz open up a thread about this. It helps people understand what's going on.
 
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