U.S. Flies B-52s Through China’s Expanded Air Defense Zone
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Right on bro. Many of these are Desi Canadians.
Maps are there all the times. It depends who has the muscles to enforce them.
That was uncharacteristic of Juice.
Hope he apologizes soon.
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Who is hong wu
He used to work here before he got reassigned.
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Grabs popcorn and waits for the usual bellicose hyper-nationalists to come in, issue a bunch of empty threats, and throw a temper tantrum
Man, this world is screwed up to the teeth :/ How many of them are we still running to this moment?
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Awesome planes which were unarmed-if armed the Chinese PLA will piss in the pants.Many countries like Taiwan, South Korea,Australia,Japan and US have protested.The Chinese are increasingly not respecting the territorial waters of many Asian countries.IT IS A SHAME-only permanent SC member from Asia being so irresponsible
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China’s new air defense zone sparks backlash from Tokyo, Seoul
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
Japan and South Korea criticized China for expanding its Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) to include disputed islets and a reef that are not under Beijing’s control.
Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida said China’s move will exacerbate the situation in the East China Sea, where tensions are already running high over sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands.
Beijing on Nov. 23 released a map of its new ADIZ that includes the Senkaku Islands, which are administered by Japan.
“It is a very dangerous decision that may cause a contingency situation in the sea and the air,” Kishida said in a statement released on Nov. 24.
Tokyo has called on Beijing to remove the islands from the zone.
“We demand (China) retract the action that can hamper the freedom of flying above the open sea,” Kishida said.
When a foreign aircraft enters a country’s ADIZ without advance notice, the country typically scrambles fighters to monitor the situation.
China’s ADIZ map also covered a reef known as Ieodo island in South Korea. Both countries claim sovereignty over the reef, but it is under Seoul’s administration.
South Korea’s Defense Ministry on Nov. 24 said China’s ADIZ announcement was regrettable and that Seoul intends to discuss the problem with Beijing.
South Korea argues that China’s new ADIZ partially overlaps its own air defense zone above waters southwest of Jeju Island. The disputed reef is lcoated southwest of the island, outside South Korea's ADIZ.
But Seoul said Beijing’s inclusion of the reef will not undermine South Korea’s right to control the tiny island.
“(China’s) setting of the ADIZ will not affect our jurisdiction in waters near Ieodo island,” the Defense Ministry said.
Why China air zone raises risk
China says planes flying within its claimed zone must identify themselves and obey protocols
China's demarcation of an air defence zone that overlaps areas claimed by Japan is a strong statement, writes Alexander Neill of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), and one that raises the risk of possible miscalculation and escalation in the region.
China's unilateral establishment of an air defence identification zone (ADIZ) demonstrates President Xi Jinping's resolve to defend China's territorial integrity.
It is the most striking act of military escalation since he became China's top leader and top military chief one year ago.
Nevertheless, Chinese leaders will repudiate any criticism, pointing out the imposition of Japan's existing ADIZ in the region extending over China's claimed territory.
In the absence of transparency in Chinese defence spending, analysts commonly resort to the study of strategic signalling by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) - and the creation of the ADIZ amounts to a very strong signal from the military leadership.
The imposition of the ADIZ is resonant of the PLA's missile blockade of Taiwan in 1996, when former Chinese President Jiang Zemin ordered the unilateral establishment of air and maritime exclusion zones during a series of missile tests to the north and south of Taiwan.
The ADIZ declaration confirms that the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands are a "core concern" for China; it places the archipelago in the same category as the South China Sea and Taiwan.
China's defence white paper released in April holds some obvious clues to recent PLA actions. Japan is described as "making trouble" over the island dispute, while the US military pivot to Asia has created regional tension, according to the document.
Over the last decade, populist nationalism in China has been fuelled by an official narrative of humiliation at the hands of the West. Such sentiment has been tempered by adherence to Deng Xiaoping's "hide and bide" policy of strategic restraint.
Recently, however, demonstrations of Chinese military power would suggest that Xi Jinping may be prepared to overlook this policy.
China's new regional identity as an economic powerhouse with an increasingly potent military has made the humiliation narrative less relevant; a sense of national pride is now pervasive. Chinese sabre-rattling is often a reflection of domestic sentiment and a form of public appeasement.
This latest gesture comes in the wake of significant military tension in the region.
In January 2013, Japan's Ministry of Defence accused the PLA Navy of directing fire control radar onto a Japanese naval vessel not far from the disputed islands. China vehemently denies that such hostility took place.
China's best option to maintain escalation dominance in the absence of a permanent military presence in the Senkaku region is the establishment of the ADIZ.
The greatest red line for China would be the establishment of manned positions on the islands by Japan, an action which could prompt a swift escalation in hostility.
Both countries have avoided such actions thus far; however, recently China has flown drone sorties close to the disputed region, prompting fighter scrambles by Japan.
US surveillance
Another recent development was the roll-out of China's first stealth drone, which came soon after the maiden flight of the J-31 stealth fighter earlier this year.
And while China is far away from becoming a global military power, US defence experts have noted that China has been able to concentrate formidable military capabilities in its own backyard. Some analysts suggest that in certain areas, the PLA may be able to rival US capabilities in the region.
Most significantly, the ADIZ is symbolic of China's persistent anger at the regular surveillance and intelligence gathering sorties mounted by the US military at sea and in the air along China's borders.
One particularly sensitive episode was the loss of a Chinese fighter pilot killed in a collision with a US surveillance aircraft on an intelligence gathering mission over the South China Sea in 2001.
Chinese leaders will argue that the establishment of the zone is designed to avoid such incidents, but given the extremely fast reaction times required for air interdiction and the relative inexperience of both the Chinese and Japanese air forces, the potential for swift escalation and possible miscalculation will increase.
The proximity of the US 7th Fleet in Japan and the regular operations mounted by the US military in the ADIZ area mean that the Pentagon will be extremely resistant to comply with air identification protocols demanded on China's own terms, as will the Japanese military.
The creation of an air identification zone also belies Chinese confidence in its own command and control networks and its ability to mount air surveillance over a large expanse of the East China Sea.
The US response may be to up the tempo of its own military drills planned for the area, forcing the PLA into a defensive response, testing both Xi Jinping's resolve and his chain of command.
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
Japan and South Korea criticized China for expanding its Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) to include disputed islets and a reef that are not under Beijing’s control.
Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida said China’s move will exacerbate the situation in the East China Sea, where tensions are already running high over sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands.
Beijing on Nov. 23 released a map of its new ADIZ that includes the Senkaku Islands, which are administered by Japan.
“It is a very dangerous decision that may cause a contingency situation in the sea and the air,” Kishida said in a statement released on Nov. 24.
Tokyo has called on Beijing to remove the islands from the zone.
“We demand (China) retract the action that can hamper the freedom of flying above the open sea,” Kishida said.
When a foreign aircraft enters a country’s ADIZ without advance notice, the country typically scrambles fighters to monitor the situation.
China’s ADIZ map also covered a reef known as Ieodo island in South Korea. Both countries claim sovereignty over the reef, but it is under Seoul’s administration.
South Korea’s Defense Ministry on Nov. 24 said China’s ADIZ announcement was regrettable and that Seoul intends to discuss the problem with Beijing.
South Korea argues that China’s new ADIZ partially overlaps its own air defense zone above waters southwest of Jeju Island. The disputed reef is lcoated southwest of the island, outside South Korea's ADIZ.
But Seoul said Beijing’s inclusion of the reef will not undermine South Korea’s right to control the tiny island.
“(China’s) setting of the ADIZ will not affect our jurisdiction in waters near Ieodo island,” the Defense Ministry said.
Why China air zone raises risk
China says planes flying within its claimed zone must identify themselves and obey protocols
China's demarcation of an air defence zone that overlaps areas claimed by Japan is a strong statement, writes Alexander Neill of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), and one that raises the risk of possible miscalculation and escalation in the region.
China's unilateral establishment of an air defence identification zone (ADIZ) demonstrates President Xi Jinping's resolve to defend China's territorial integrity.
It is the most striking act of military escalation since he became China's top leader and top military chief one year ago.
Nevertheless, Chinese leaders will repudiate any criticism, pointing out the imposition of Japan's existing ADIZ in the region extending over China's claimed territory.
In the absence of transparency in Chinese defence spending, analysts commonly resort to the study of strategic signalling by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) - and the creation of the ADIZ amounts to a very strong signal from the military leadership.
The imposition of the ADIZ is resonant of the PLA's missile blockade of Taiwan in 1996, when former Chinese President Jiang Zemin ordered the unilateral establishment of air and maritime exclusion zones during a series of missile tests to the north and south of Taiwan.
The ADIZ declaration confirms that the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands are a "core concern" for China; it places the archipelago in the same category as the South China Sea and Taiwan.
China's defence white paper released in April holds some obvious clues to recent PLA actions. Japan is described as "making trouble" over the island dispute, while the US military pivot to Asia has created regional tension, according to the document.
Over the last decade, populist nationalism in China has been fuelled by an official narrative of humiliation at the hands of the West. Such sentiment has been tempered by adherence to Deng Xiaoping's "hide and bide" policy of strategic restraint.
Recently, however, demonstrations of Chinese military power would suggest that Xi Jinping may be prepared to overlook this policy.
China's new regional identity as an economic powerhouse with an increasingly potent military has made the humiliation narrative less relevant; a sense of national pride is now pervasive. Chinese sabre-rattling is often a reflection of domestic sentiment and a form of public appeasement.
This latest gesture comes in the wake of significant military tension in the region.
In January 2013, Japan's Ministry of Defence accused the PLA Navy of directing fire control radar onto a Japanese naval vessel not far from the disputed islands. China vehemently denies that such hostility took place.
China's best option to maintain escalation dominance in the absence of a permanent military presence in the Senkaku region is the establishment of the ADIZ.
The greatest red line for China would be the establishment of manned positions on the islands by Japan, an action which could prompt a swift escalation in hostility.
Both countries have avoided such actions thus far; however, recently China has flown drone sorties close to the disputed region, prompting fighter scrambles by Japan.
US surveillance
Another recent development was the roll-out of China's first stealth drone, which came soon after the maiden flight of the J-31 stealth fighter earlier this year.
All of these weapons systems are still in the developmental phase but they emphasise the success of Chinese military modernisation over the last decade.
And while China is far away from becoming a global military power, US defence experts have noted that China has been able to concentrate formidable military capabilities in its own backyard. Some analysts suggest that in certain areas, the PLA may be able to rival US capabilities in the region.
Most significantly, the ADIZ is symbolic of China's persistent anger at the regular surveillance and intelligence gathering sorties mounted by the US military at sea and in the air along China's borders.
One particularly sensitive episode was the loss of a Chinese fighter pilot killed in a collision with a US surveillance aircraft on an intelligence gathering mission over the South China Sea in 2001.
Chinese leaders will argue that the establishment of the zone is designed to avoid such incidents, but given the extremely fast reaction times required for air interdiction and the relative inexperience of both the Chinese and Japanese air forces, the potential for swift escalation and possible miscalculation will increase.
The proximity of the US 7th Fleet in Japan and the regular operations mounted by the US military in the ADIZ area mean that the Pentagon will be extremely resistant to comply with air identification protocols demanded on China's own terms, as will the Japanese military.
The creation of an air identification zone also belies Chinese confidence in its own command and control networks and its ability to mount air surveillance over a large expanse of the East China Sea.
The US response may be to up the tempo of its own military drills planned for the area, forcing the PLA into a defensive response, testing both Xi Jinping's resolve and his chain of command.
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It's a straight forward challenge for duel,just like Sergi leone movies
Yeah, the man from nowhere, with no name!! We don't make those kind of movies now-a-days. Seen the trilogy many times over!
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What I don't understand about this China's new ADIZ is that , why does it not cover Taiwan? It seems this has been done specifically to antagonise Japan and provoke them into reacting..
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The H-6K no longer needs to recognize Guam's ADIZ.
Coverage polygon of BeiDou-2 in 2012.
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Coverage polygon of BeiDou-2 in 2012.
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Request to all the countries involved, please don't do anything crazy. The stock market is on upward swing. First let me take out my money within two days which has gained considerably , then you can play your stupid games.....
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Chinese air identification zone in red...
Juxtaposed with the Japanese air identification zone in blue...
The disputed islands...
The disputed Senkakus islands
On Monday, the US unarmed bombers took off from Guam in the East and the flight was part of a regular exercise in the region, which needless to say would continue, notwithstanding Chinese objections.
Juxtaposed with the Japanese air identification zone in blue...
The disputed islands...
The disputed Senkakus islands
On Monday, the US unarmed bombers took off from Guam in the East and the flight was part of a regular exercise in the region, which needless to say would continue, notwithstanding Chinese objections.
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Here's the Tu-95 in the Alaska ADIZ.
I guess the US is a paper tiger for not shooting it down.
I guess the US is a paper tiger for not shooting it down.
Hopefully, we do not need wait that long.
Reality also shows that we do not need wait that long either.
We are not colonizing any other countries and we have no intention to do so.
We just try to stop bullies close to us. We may not have the full ability yet. However, we are not that weak either.
Reality also shows that we do not need wait that long either.
We are not colonizing any other countries and we have no intention to do so.
We just try to stop bullies close to us. We may not have the full ability yet. However, we are not that weak either.
