U.S armor core modernisation

[randomradio]

T-14 Armata MBT is invincible now? Are you for real? Why doesn't Russia use it to conquer Syria? Don't make tall claims.

Haha. What's Armata got to do with Syria? Let the rebels defeat the T-90 first.

The Armata series are yet to be produced in numbers anyway.

Aircraft pack lot of firepower and tanks are like sitting ducks to them.

The T-14's APS can protect the tank from aircraft firepower. Apart from that, you can expect the T-14 to be protected by friendly SAMs and fighter jets too.

M1A2 SEPv3 configuration feature state-of-the-art efficiency and protective measures, sensors, and optimized for firing a new generation of rounds on potential targets. This configuration is designed to defeat T-14 in the battlefield, and US is converting hundreds of units to this standard.

M1 Abrams chassis is huge and provides ample room for amendments and customization. US doesn't need to develop a new MBT each decade due to this factor.

If the Afghanit has offered protection against DU based APFSDS, then the Abrams is not going anywhere without equivalent protection and firepower. Let's not forget that the T-14's new gun is 20% more powerful than the German L55. That's a massive firepower difference between the T-14 and Abrams's L44.

 

[LeGenD]

Haha. What's Armata got to do with Syria? Let the rebels defeat the T-90 first.

The Armata series are yet to be produced in numbers anyway.



The T-14's APS can protect the tank from aircraft firepower. Apart from that, you can expect the T-14 to be protected by friendly SAMs and fighter jets too.



If the Afghanit has offered protection against DU based APFSDS, then the Abrams is not going anywhere without equivalent protection and firepower. Let's not forget that the T-14's new gun is 20% more powerful than the German L55. That's a massive firepower difference between the T-14 and Abrams's L44.

Syrian rebels have disabled/destroyed some Russian T-90 series MBT in Syria in different encounters.

FYI: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/men...g-syrian-rebel-use-anti-tank-guided-missiles/

Keep in mind that US did not accord appropriate assistance to Syrian rebels against Russian forces as was the case with Afghan rebels. US and Russia are not fighting each other in Syria and have a de-confliction agreement for this end.

US could turn Syria into another Afghanistan for Russia, if it really wanted.

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Are you kidding me? No APS can protect an MBT from firepower of aircraft.

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Afghanit is yet to prove itself in combat situations and otherwise.

For the remainder of your points: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-ana...y-light-compared-with-current-generation-MBTs

You trying to project T-14 as some alien tech - step down from your high horse please. It have some glaring weaknesses which fanboys continue to miss.

 

[randomradio]

Syrian rebels have disabled/destroyed some Russian T-90 series MBT in Syria in different encounters.

FYI: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/men...g-syrian-rebel-use-anti-tank-guided-missiles/

No T-90 has been stopped by enemy fire to date.

Keep in mind that US did not accord appropriate assistance to Syrian rebels against Russian forces as was the case with Afghan rebels. US and Russia are not fighting each other in Syria and have a de-confliction agreement for this end.

US could turn Syria into another Afghanistan for Russia, if it really wanted.

They tried to turn Syria into Afghanistan and failed. That's why they have a de-confliction agreement now.

Are you kidding me? No APS can protect an MBT from firepower of aircraft.

Of course it can. That's one of the purposes of the APS. Even aircraft are firing ATGMs after all.

Afghanit

is yet to prove itself in combat situations and otherwise.

Sure. But that's true for any new system.

For the remainder of your points: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-ana...y-light-compared-with-current-generation-MBTs

You trying to project T-14 as some alien tech - step down from your high horse please. It have some glaring weaknesses which fanboys continue to miss.

All tanks have strengths and weaknesses. It's just that the T-14's strengths trump the Abrams's strengths.

That first comment, the only one I bothered to read, is mostly speculation. Especially on the electronics and armour.

 

[LeGenD]

No T-90 has been stopped by enemy fire to date.


They tried to turn Syria into Afghanistan and failed. That's why they have a de-confliction agreement now.



Of course it can. That's one of the purposes of the APS. Even aircraft are firing ATGMs after all.



Sure. But that's true for any new system.



All tanks have strengths and weaknesses. It's just that the T-14's strengths trump the Abrams's strengths.

That first comment, the only one I bothered to read, is mostly speculation. Especially on the electronics and armour.

T-90 haven't seen real combat yet.

Wrong! Obama administration handed over Syria to Russia on a silver plate in 2013: https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/29/obama-never-understood-how-history-works/

De-confliction line was established to make sure that NATO and Russia do not clash in Syria: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-34454194

Provide evidence of T-14 intercepting airstrikes. FYI:

"However, the hard-kill interceptors' horizontal orientation means they are incapable of stopping top attack missiles."

Full read: https://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30851

Really now? Which strengths are those?

 

[randomradio]

T-90 haven't seen real combat yet.

They have seen plenty of combat. The Syrians have been using them since 2015.

Wrong! Obama administration handed over Syria to Russia on a silver plate in 2013: https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/29/obama-never-understood-how-history-works/

The Americans were active in Syria long before Russia came in.

"However, the hard-kill interceptors' horizontal orientation means they are incapable of stopping top attack missiles."

Full read: https://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30851

You really think the Russians are so clueless that they will build something that can stop DU based APFSDS, but not top attack missiles?

Pretty much all western write-ups about the Armata are hell-bent on disproving Armata's capabilities. Even the Arena came with the ability to stop top attack missiles.

Really now? Which strengths are those?

Better mobility, better armour, better firepower, better protection etc etc.

 

[LeGenD]

They have seen plenty of combat. The Syrians have been using them since 2015.



The Americans were active in Syria long before Russia came in.



You really think the Russians are so clueless that they will build something that can stop DU based APFSDS, but not top attack missiles?

Pretty much all western write-ups about the Armata are hell-bent on disproving Armata's capabilities. Even the Arena came with the ability to stop top attack missiles.



Better mobility, better armour, better firepower, better protection etc etc.

Syria received T-90 from Russia in 2017. By this time, rebels had lost the war.

I would like to see how T-90 fares against NATO.

Americans arrived in Syria in 2014 to counter ISIS (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). They did not attempt 'regime change' in Syria because they had an agreement with Russia in this regard since 2013.

Where is the evidence of T-14 intercepting airstrikes?

FYI:

"Obviously, there’s considerable uncertainty given the information available on the T-14. This is what the currently available evidence suggests to the author:

• The 2A82 cannon may be effective against current Western tanks at medium combat ranges — if the new ammunition is as effective as claimed, and is actually produced in quantity.
• The T-14’s sensors and fire control systems are likely inferior to modernized Western counterparts, given the information available.
• The T-14’s multi-layered Active Protection Systems and Explosive Reactive armor will likely give it good protection against direct-fire anti-tank missiles and rocket propelled grenades. However, top-attack munitions will only face the soft-kill countermeasures of the Afghanit system.
• The usefulness of the Afghanit system against kinetic armor piercing rounds is in doubt. The effectiveness of the Malachit ERA against armor-piercing sabots is an unknown quantity, though Relikt ERA appears to have inspired the United States to develop a new armor piercing round.
• The Armata’s significantly lower weight implies less conventional armor than on the M1 Abrams or Leopard 2. It is possible that the armor may be concentrated on the crew compartment.
• The Armata will have greater crew survivability than earlier Russian tanks.
• The T-14 is faster than modern Western tanks.
• For the time being, Russia is unable to afford large-volume production of the T-14. Thus, the Russian army will field mostly T-72s into the 2020s."

Full read: https://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30851

Your assessment is misplaced.

 

[randomradio]

Syria received T-90 from Russia in 2017. By this time, rebels had lost the war.

2015.

Look at the date in the article.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...president-assad-s-army-the-edge-a6898741.html

I would like to see how T-90 fares against NATO.

By the time NATO fights the T-90, it will be obsolete. So I wouldn't hold my breath.

Americans arrived in Syria in 2014 to counter ISIS (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). They did not attempt 'regime change' in Syria because they had an agreement with Russia in this regard since 2013.

Meh, the Americans have been in Syria long before the crisis even started.

Where is the evidence of T-14 intercepting airstrikes?

Why will they tell you that? We'll just have to wait for more information about it, particularly the so-called "soft-kill launchers".

FYI:

"Obviously, there’s considerable uncertainty given the information available on the T-14. This is what the currently available evidence suggests to the author:

• The 2A82 cannon may be effective against current Western tanks at medium combat ranges — if the new ammunition is as effective as claimed, and is actually produced in quantity.
• The T-14’s sensors and fire control systems are likely inferior to modernized Western counterparts, given the information available.
• The T-14’s multi-layered Active Protection Systems and Explosive Reactive armor will likely give it good protection against direct-fire anti-tank missiles and rocket propelled grenades. However, top-attack munitions will only face the soft-kill countermeasures of the Afghanit system.
• The usefulness of the Afghanit system against kinetic armor piercing rounds is in doubt. The effectiveness of the Malachit ERA against armor-piercing sabots is an unknown quantity, though Relikt ERA appears to have inspired the United States to develop a new armor piercing round.
• The Armata’s significantly lower weight implies less conventional armor than on the M1 Abrams or Leopard 2. It is possible that the armor may be concentrated on the crew compartment.
• The Armata will have greater crew survivability than earlier Russian tanks.
• The T-14 is faster than modern Western tanks.
• For the time being, Russia is unable to afford large-volume production of the T-14. Thus, the Russian army will field mostly T-72s into the 2020s."

Full read: https://www.offiziere.ch/?p=30851

Your assessment is misplaced.

The author is simply underestimating.

 

[DavidSling]

2015.

Look at the date in the article.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...president-assad-s-army-the-edge-a6898741.html



By the time NATO fights the T-90, it will be obsolete. So I wouldn't hold my breath.



Meh, the Americans have been in Syria long before the crisis even started.



Why will they tell you that? We'll just have to wait for more information about it, particularly the so-called "soft-kill launchers".



The author is simply underestimating.

I don't care about your T-14 overestimates, this is not a russian thread.
@waz can you please deal with the spam please?

 

[mighty mason]

Trophy system can be breaches with multiple tyoes of anti tank missile fired at same time

when was the last time Our tanks fought a full fledged Tank duel? 90's? Against T-72's?
Russia will never be able to attack USA with these Toys, Russian arms are famous in asia for their cheap price, its for Asian countries like China, pakistan, india, iran etc, they will never fight with USA head to head, they will lose.

I don't care about your T-14 overestimates, this is not a russian thread.
@waz can you please deal with the spam please?

Dont worry they can just spam a thread, Their T-14 doesnt even stands a chance against Trophy APS, kudos

Why will they tell you that? We'll just have to wait for more information about it, particularly the so-called "soft-kill launchers".

There is nothing like that, one LGB and your T-14 is toast...

 

[DavidSling]

M1A1 VEHICLE PROTECTION SYSTEM

Description

A Vehicle Protection System (VPS) is a suite of systems that provide force protection and system survivability. A VPS may include active and passive system survivability measures to avoid, defeat, or mitigate threats. An active protection system (APS) can be a component of a VPS and is designed to prevent anti-armor/anti-tank threat weapons from acquiring, hitting, and/or penetrating a target through soft-kill or hard-kill means. Hard-kill systems typically employ explosive countermeasures to disrupt, redirect, and/or destroy inbound threat munitions. In contrast, soft-kill systems typically disrupt threat munitions’ guidance systems, causing rockets or missiles to miss their intended targets. From a combat and tactical vehicle perspective, the combination of these approaches may serve to best improve existing VPS measures.

Considerable resources have been spent developing systems to counter incoming anti-armor threats over the past few decades. To date, no hard-kill APS has been fielded on a U.S. combat platform. The Marine Corps has fielded other survivability-related systems that contribute to anti-armor threat protection such as multispectral smoke and obscurants, passive and reactive armors, and a soft kill APS system.

The USMC M1A1 Trophy Technology Demonstrator (TD) is part of the US Army Ex APS program. This project will deliver a first increment hard-kill APS and enable crews to determine hostile fire point-of-origin. In 2017, the Trophy Active Protection System was installed and tested on a USMC M1A1; this effort has informed requirements, set the conditions for a future program of record, and contributed to performance characterization of the system with the Army.

Operational Impact


The Marine Corps’ current and future ground combat vehicles lack the capability to detect incoming anti-armor threats and defeat those threats before impact. Active Protection Systems will improve vehicle survivability by detecting and defeating Anti- Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs), Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs), and Recoilless Rifles (RR) improving combat vehicle survivability and crew force protection.

The Army and Marine Corps have similar requirements to protect maneuver forces from anti-armor threats. APS technology is maturing to the point of near-term usefulness and will be adapted to USMC mission profile requirements. The proliferation and employment of modern anti-armor munitions combined with the technical limitations of passive armor and USMC transportability requirements drive the operational need for an APS.


Program Status

The M1A1 Trophy TD phase is complete. The USMC project is partially funded to procure (48) of (56) systems as a special mission kit for four tank companies. This project will transition with the US Army into the next phase of developmental and operational testing. It is currently scheduled to procure an initial system set in FY21, but efforts to accelerate the program to begin fielding in FY19 are currently being evaluated to ensure our continued alignment with the Army. The Initial Operational Capability (IOC) of (14) systems is planned for fourth quarter, FY21 and Full Operational Capability (FOC) for fourth quarter, FY23.

Procurement Profile:

FY21 - QTY 14
FY22 - QTY 18
FY23 - QTY 24

Developer/Manufacturer:

Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd., Haifa, Israel



http://www.candp.marines.mil/Progra...ical-Vehicles/M1A1-Vehicle-Protection-System/

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Even

Are you Indian? Surely you would know that it's "corp" and not "core"??????????????????????

 

[DavidSling]

Are you Indian? Surely you would know that it's "corp" and not "core"??????????????????????

Shouldn't you deal with the thread itself rather than spamming no sense?
@waz

 

[Daghalodi]

So whats the SWOT anaylsis of trophy system?

By the way amazing pics!!!